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What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like?

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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#201 » by HMFFL » Thu Jul 4, 2024 7:57 pm

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How is Bogdan Bogdanovic, our best scorer, not on this list??
There's no reason to have six players per game with double digit field goal attempts. We must improve on this. Murray's team leading attempts should be spread out amongst the players, but mainly to Jalen Johnson, and Zacch. Bogi shouldn't be attempting 13.9 field goals per game.


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Yeah NBA offenses don't work this way. Particularly offenses that utilizes lots of ball movement. Not only that, but shuffling guys in and out of the lineup due to injury will inflate FGA's per game. I imagine this was the case for us all year. If Bey originally comes off the bench, and suddenly thrust into a starter role, then he's going to get more attempts naturally being on the floor more.

If we were more of an ISO heavy team, then a coach could control the amount of shots a player takes better, but even then, it's not a guaranteed outcome. THJ and Dallas pretty much confirms this. Mavs are a heavy iso, drive and kick offense. Kyrie and Luka combined for 43 FGA per game, and THJ still found a way to get 12. Giving Kyrie/Luka 1.5 more FGA, isn't going to make difference.

As far as Bogi not being deserving of his 14 FGA, i'd say there's no justification that Zacch deserves more touches than him either at the moment. If anything, they shoot about the same, and JJ gets the bump. Who wouldn't want a career 38% 3 point shooter taking at least 10 shots a game?
I doubt one of the NBA Finals Teams or playoff teams had six players that average double digits. You don't seem to understand that a teams not going to win that way. It leaves the ball fumbling in the hands of the lesser talents on the team.

Oprah "you can have yen field goal attempts"

"You too, and you"

Our first overall pick deserves consistent touches early if he's going to be on the main roster.

Otherwise, let's just continue to not be relevant, and keep our top 6 picks riding the bench.

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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#202 » by jayu70 » Thu Jul 4, 2024 8:15 pm

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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#203 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jul 4, 2024 8:29 pm

jayu70 wrote:What's the trade?


Cavs need a SF, we need a salary dump:

D Hunter for Isaac and a 2nd rounder? :dontknow:
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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#204 » by jayu70 » Fri Jul 5, 2024 3:50 am

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jayu70 wrote:What's the trade?


Cavs need a SF, we need a salary dump:

D Hunter for Isaac and a 2nd rounder? :dontknow:

Don't we need a Big SF too?
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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#205 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Jul 5, 2024 3:55 am

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Cavs need a SF, we need a salary dump:

D Hunter for Isaac and a 2nd rounder? :dontknow:


Don't we need a Big SF too?


I'm just weighing the cost of that long term Hunter contract.

Dumping him, signing Okor to a lesser, short term deal opens up other avenues.

Would 6'5" Okoro + 6'8" Vit + 6'9" Risacher + 6'9" Dyson not be enough to cover SF minutes for the year?
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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#206 » by HMFFL » Fri Jul 5, 2024 3:50 pm

Issac needs Caris LeVert's attempts. Cleveland relied on Caris who's not a consistent shooter. 12.1 attempts per game, 42% from the field, and 32% from three. With those numbers he's the Cavs third option.


Isaac Okoro should be able to do much better than Caris. I'd prefer to move Bogi for him and whatever else instead of De'Andre Hunter.











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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#208 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jul 16, 2024 11:33 pm

-Trae
-Bogdan
-Lauri
-Jalen
-Okongwu


really would be an offensively perfect starting 5.

With Bufkin-Risacher-Dyson providing the perfect defensive complements off the bench. Likely wouldn't win a title, but feels like 50+ win regular season with a deep postseason run.

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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#209 » by jayu70 » Wed Jul 17, 2024 12:15 am

Jamaaliver wrote:-Trae
-Bogdan
-Lauri
-Jalen
-Okongwu


really would be an offensively perfect starting 5.

With Bufkin-Risacher-Dyson providing the perfect defensive complements off the bench. Likely wouldn't win a title, but feels like 50+ win regular season with a deep postseason run.
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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#210 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:21 am

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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#211 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Aug 14, 2024 12:39 pm

Trae and PG stirring up a Hornet's Nest.

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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#213 » by HMFFL » Thu Aug 15, 2024 5:51 pm

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We need Trae to take a huge leap. The focus is on his teammates but he's one of the main problems.

Trae will only go so far unless he has a generational talent at the 4 or 5. I wish him the best of luck but he's not ever going to have championship success until he improves himself.

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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#214 » by tbhawksfan1 » Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:26 pm

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We need Trae to take a huge leap. The focus is on his teammates but he's one of the main problems.

Trae will only go so far unless he has a generational talent at the 4 or 5. I wish him the best of luck but he's not ever going to have championship success until he improves himself.

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And we all are 100% in agreement that we would like to add a generational talent next to Trae
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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#215 » by tbhawksfan1 » Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:29 pm

I love the adding of DD and ZR. Also keeping Vit. Hawks are getting big on the wings
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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#216 » by jayu70 » Thu Aug 15, 2024 10:09 pm

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We need Trae to take a huge leap. The focus is on his teammates but he's one of the main problems.

Trae will only go so far unless he has a generational talent at the 4 or 5. I wish him the best of luck but he's not ever going to have championship success until he improves himself.

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And we all are 100% in agreement that we would like to add a generational talent next to Trae

Just like all the other top players on their respective teams needed a second and sometime a 3rd to carry some of that burden.
Why is there this expectation for Trae to carry the burden by himself? I don't understand it.
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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#217 » by Jamaaliver » Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:22 pm

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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#219 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Aug 19, 2024 6:43 pm

Adding some floor spacing big men could go a long way towards pulling opposing rim protectors away from the hoop and opening up the driving lanes.

Kel'el Ware, Kyle Filipowski would have been huge in that regard. Brook Lopez would also be helpful.

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Re: What does the ideal lineup around Trae even look like? 

Post#220 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Aug 21, 2024 12:01 am

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