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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
9
9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
35
34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2141 » by King Ken » Mon Apr 1, 2019 3:01 pm

My dream draft is Zion, Cam, Okeke, Edwards or Howard and a stash guy.

Resign VC.

Bring back Lin and DMC for quality depth.
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Trae/Lin/Edwards
Kev/Bembry/Baze
TP/Cam/DMC
John/Omari/VC/Okeke(RS)
Zion/Len/Omari
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Post#2142 » by Indyhawks26 » Mon Apr 1, 2019 3:21 pm

Steven A talks about Cam Reddish
https://youtu.be/LleoEXwQOwY

No way I take Reddish with Hawks lottery pick.Looks like Tarzen plays like Jane. I just don't think he wants to improve giving less than full effort.We've seen players like him before who had all the potential but lack the work ethic and have failed. I'll never forget Chris Washburn had all the potential but chose a different path. If Coach K can't get it out of you and playing for your teammates who want to win when will the light go on.Also consider in the NBA you won't have anyone to baby sit you.How will Reddish's attitude be with young players and vets who want to win yet Reddish is unfocused sometimes shows up other times not there.I'll take a less talented player but who as the work ethic to improve any day.
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Post#2143 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Apr 1, 2019 3:30 pm

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Jonathan Givony wrote:Jarrett Culver | G/F | Texas Tech

Top 100 draft ranking: No. 5

Culver didn't have his best weekend, needing 38 shots to generate 41 points, but he did enough to help Texas Tech advance to the Final Four. Culver's jumper has been off in 2019, as he has made just 26 percent of his 3-pointers, which is concerning considering how much he struggled to get by Brandon Clarke, Rui Hachimura and Charles Matthews off the dribble. Still, Culver is much more than a scorer, as he generates a lot of offense for teammates with his court vision and creativity. He's also a plus defender on and off the ball and an outstanding rebounder.

Just having turned 20 with terrific size, length and IQ, Culver is a late bloomer
, but he will want to finish the season on a strong note to solidify his case as a potential top-five pick.
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Post#2144 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Apr 1, 2019 3:32 pm

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Mike Schmitz wrote:De'Andre Hunter | F | Virginia

Top 100 draft ranking:
No. 6

Hunter is quickly playing himself out of contention, as his so-so feel, streaky shooting and somewhat limited upside have stood out more than ever over the past three games. During this stretch Hunter is averaging just 10.3 points, 4 rebounds and 1 assist in 35 minutes. Hunter's defense hasn't wavered, as he has checked up to four positions with outstanding technique, containing dribble penetration as impressively as any 6-8, 230-pound player in the country. He also has been active off the ball, rotating with verticality plays that often aren't registered as blocks.

But Hunter has looked lost offensively, lacking confidence in his catch-and-shoot 3 and struggling to create much offense from the mid-post or perimeter when he does choose to attack...He remains a bit clunky as a ball-handler and lacks some creativity as a facilitator.

NBA spacing will help Hunter, and he has the potential to become an All-NBA defender in time. He's a high-floor, low-volume prospect likely to impact winning at a fairly high level -- somewhat in the OG Anunoby mold.
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Post#2145 » by Spud2nique » Mon Apr 1, 2019 3:33 pm

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Jonathan Givony wrote:Jarrett Culver | G/F | Texas Tech

Top 100 draft ranking: No. 5

Culver didn't have his best weekend, needing 38 shots to generate 41 points, but he did enough to help Texas Tech advance to the Final Four. Culver's jumper has been off in 2019, as he has made just 26 percent of his 3-pointers, which is concerning considering how much he struggled to get by Brandon Clarke, Rui Hachimura and Charles Matthews off the dribble. Still, Culver is much more than a scorer, as he generates a lot of offense for teammates with his court vision and creativity. He's also a plus defender on and off the ball and an outstanding rebounder.

Just having turned 20 with terrific size, length and IQ, Culver is a late bloomer, but he will want to finish the season on a strong note to solidify his case as a potential top-five pick.


I’m sorry I’m not understanding what people don’t like about this kid? Why do people think Texas Tech is in the final 4? He’s a big reason. This kid is willing to do what it takes to win. Let’s pair him up with Trae and the kids!

For me, it seems Culver delivers the safest pick but also has a big upside. Hard to not like him imo.
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Post#2146 » by socialsavant » Mon Apr 1, 2019 3:44 pm

Cam Reddish would be a perfect fit, in my opinion. He struggled mightily at Duke but that had a lot more to do with the personnel that him being a bad player. Duke relied to heavily on RJ Barrett to initiate offense. More often than not he would only generate opportunities for himself rather than his teammates. Zion's success was more to do with Zion being a hustle player with a ton of athleticism than anything else. Cam Reddish is a completely different type of player. He needs more structure in the half court and fast breaks belonged to RJ and Zion. Cam was the odd man out.

Look at his game, don't try and focus too much on the misses. His shooting form is textbook so I'm not worried about that. He was a very decent FT shooter so that should translate. His skill set is extensive. He has a tight handle, deep 3pt range, he can drive the ball effectively and has creative finishes around the basket. He doesn't take bad shots and he has hit some clutch shots for Duke. Also, his on ball defense was the best on that Duke team. If I'm Travis Schlenk, I take Cam at 5 with no hesitation. His game will be unlocked playing alongside Trae Young and Kevin Huerter.
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Post#2147 » by atlantabbq99 » Mon Apr 1, 2019 3:46 pm

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I’m sorry I’m not understanding what people don’t like about this kid? Why do people think Texas Tech is in the final 4? He’s a big reason. This kid is willing to do what it takes to win. Let’s pair him up with Trae and the kids!

For me, it seems Culver delivers the safest pick but also has a big upside. Hard to not like him imo.



Culver can't shoot 3s or free throws, he has the same weaknesses as Lonzo Ball. His game is ok, his weaknesses make it hard to tell if his game will translate to the NBA, but his red flags gives him a very high and low success rate, he could be as good as Tatum, or as limited as Lonzo.

Kris Dunn also comes to mind.
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Post#2148 » by King Ken » Mon Apr 1, 2019 4:44 pm

I been saying it for awhile, Cam is just an average college player. Great defender, especially when locked in like v. MSU. But the facts are the facts. His offense is bad especially in traffic. His ability to drive while good, he barely does it and settles. When he does, he is likely to turn the ball over for a charge. His volume of his threes is really the issue. 11 for 29 in the last 6 games is not an issue for me. For me it's just 29 threes for a guy who during the years was putting up 7 to 8 threes a game. He should have had 42 to 48 threes. Even at 31%, that's a massive difference and quality for the team. The volume disappeared and while he has been inefficient this year, his lack volume from three is what killed his impact as a 3/D player for coach K. Cam needs more development on offense. He does a great job on pin downs but he needs to play better off of the ball. I felt him and O'Connell **** the bed.

34% from three with the volume he had was needed for us. He was also clutch as well. None of this was found v. MSU. Like v. Gonzaga, it became the R.J. show
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Post#2149 » by King Ken » Mon Apr 1, 2019 4:48 pm

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I’m sorry I’m not understanding what people don’t like about this kid? Why do people think Texas Tech is in the final 4? He’s a big reason. This kid is willing to do what it takes to win. Let’s pair him up with Trae and the kids!

For me, it seems Culver delivers the safest pick but also has a big upside. Hard to not like him imo.



Culver can't shoot 3s or free throws, he has the same weaknesses as Lonzo Ball. His game is ok, his weaknesses make it hard to tell if his game will translate to the NBA, but his red flags gives him a very high and low success rate, he could be as good as Tatum, or as limited as Lonzo.

Kris Dunn also comes to mind.

He is nowhere near the athlete of those two either. He is a great college player who will be an below average player next year and probably limited unless he vastly improves in every aspect. Anyone drafting him is asking for a L.
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Post#2150 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Apr 1, 2019 4:58 pm

Best 2019 NBA Draft Prospects Remaining in Elite Eight

Jarrett Culver (Texas Tech, SG, Sophomore)

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Overall big board ranking: No. 3

Jarrett Culver leapfrogged RJ Barrett on our board before the NCAA tournament, and he's only helped justify that decision through three rounds, averaging 22.3 points and 5.3 assists.

Culver (6'5") hasn't even needed the three ball to score, though ranking him this high insinuates we expect his shooting to eventually become more consistent.

Otherwise, he continues to shake defenders with changes of speed, and he can finish at difficult angles on both sides of the rim. Against Michigan in the Sweet 16, he got to his spots, flashing off-the-dribble scoring ability as a driver and pull-up threat.

He's dramatically improved his shot creation (84th percentile isolation), but also his playmaking, as he's generating 1.11 points per possession on passes out of pick-and-rolls (79th percentile).
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Post#2152 » by Indyhawks26 » Mon Apr 1, 2019 5:23 pm

Do you really think Reddish was not going all out because of Duke's system ? Not buying if he could make the shots Coach K would have found a way.Reddish just doesn't want it bad enough.
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Post#2153 » by King Ken » Mon Apr 1, 2019 5:27 pm

Indyhawks26 wrote:Do you really think Reddish was not going all out because of Duke's system ? Not buying if he could make the shots Coach K would have found a way.Reddish just doesn't want it bad enough.

He was going all out on D. His offense was ass v. MSU. I personally think he got stamina and strength issues. He gets bullied on offense too easy and he makes some bad mistakes.
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Post#2154 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Mon Apr 1, 2019 7:26 pm

If things end as they stand today, when you aggregate the odds for our slot and the DAL slot, we're highly likely (70%) to end up with a pick at #6-#8...

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Post#2156 » by Indyhawks26 » Mon Apr 1, 2019 8:34 pm

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Indyhawks26 wrote:Do you really think Reddish was not going all out because of Duke's system ? Not buying if he could make the shots Coach K would have found a way.Reddish just doesn't want it bad enough.

He was going all out on D. His offense was ass v. MSU. I personally think he got stamina and strength issues. He gets bullied on offense too easy and he makes some bad mistakes.


Wouldn't the coaches at Duke have seen that Reddish might have issues with stamina and strength? I just don't think the kid works hard enough to much of an enigma. Wherever he lands no way will NBA coaches and players put up with a half ass effort. It could be the game came to easy for him in high school and once he got to college as a problem with authority figures. just a guess he could be soft mentally. No one as talked about this my hope is if a shoot guard can't be found in college then sign a quality free agent.I know laugh all you want but I think the Hawks are getting more of a better reputation around the league and maybe some quality players with want to sign here.
I'd much rather have a Clarke or the kid from Auburn than Reddish. Of course it doesn't solve shooting guard or small forward but maybe there is a way to play both Clarke/Auburn kid and Collins at same time. One thing about any draft there are players that get not alot of publicity but when they get to the NBA they become the next Draymond Green. While the draft is limited now you never know this is where the Hawks scouting needs to do its job. Edwards out of Purdue who knows maybe he could be a legit outside shooter once he gets to the pros. While we are concentrating on the Reddish's and Culvers there there will be a few under the radar players who will be better than the media stars we talk about every day.
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Post#2157 » by King Ken » Mon Apr 1, 2019 8:41 pm

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Indyhawks26 wrote:Do you really think Reddish was not going all out because of Duke's system ? Not buying if he could make the shots Coach K would have found a way.Reddish just doesn't want it bad enough.

He was going all out on D. His offense was ass v. MSU. I personally think he got stamina and strength issues. He gets bullied on offense too easy and he makes some bad mistakes.


Wouldn't the coaches at Duke have seen that Reddish might have issues with stamina and strength? I just don't think the kid works hard enough to much of an enigma. Wherever he lands no way will NBA coaches and players put up with a half ass effort. It could be the game came to easy for him in high school and once he got to college as a problem with authority figures. just a guess he could be soft mentally. No one as talked about this my hope is if a shoot guard can't be found in college then sign a quality free agent.I know laugh all you want but I think the Hawks are getting more of a better reputation around the league and maybe some quality players with want to sign here.
I'd much rather have a Clarke or the kid from Auburn than Reddish. Of course it doesn't solve shooting guard or small forward but maybe there is a way to play both Clarke/Auburn kid and Collins at same time. One thing about any draft there are players that get not alot of publicity but when they get to the NBA they become the next Draymond Green. While the draft is limited now you never know this is where the Hawks scouting needs to do its job. Edwards out of Purdue who knows maybe he could be a legit outside shooter once he gets to the pros. While we are concentrating on the Reddish's and Culvers there there will be a few under the radar players who will be better than the media stars we talk about every day.

Not quite. WCJ had stamina issues with Duke but didn't with the Bulls. Same for Myles Turner and the Longhorns. We seen this often. The NBA is far more individual specific. They just have a lot more time with the players. NCAA limits the time.

I don't see a SG or SF who is available that's worth passing on Reddish for that we have a shot at. I would love to pass on Reddish too for Durant and Leonard.

I love Clarke and Okeke too.
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Post#2158 » by CP War Hawks » Tue Apr 2, 2019 12:30 am

Once the dust settles, it's going to be Nas vs Culver vs. Redd for the 4th overall.

TS isn't going to pass on a young productive soph that leads imo.
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Post#2159 » by Geaux_Hawks » Tue Apr 2, 2019 12:31 am

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King Ken wrote:
Indyhawks26 wrote:Do you really think Reddish was not going all out because of Duke's system ? Not buying if he could make the shots Coach K would have found a way.Reddish just doesn't want it bad enough.

He was going all out on D. His offense was ass v. MSU. I personally think he got stamina and strength issues. He gets bullied on offense too easy and he makes some bad mistakes.


Wouldn't the coaches at Duke have seen that Reddish might have issues with stamina and strength? I just don't think the kid works hard enough to much of an enigma. Wherever he lands no way will NBA coaches and players put up with a half ass effort. It could be the game came to easy for him in high school and once he got to college as a problem with authority figures. just a guess he could be soft mentally. No one as talked about this my hope is if a shoot guard can't be found in college then sign a quality free agent.I know laugh all you want but I think the Hawks are getting more of a better reputation around the league and maybe some quality players with want to sign here.
I'd much rather have a Clarke or the kid from Auburn than Reddish. Of course it doesn't solve shooting guard or small forward but maybe there is a way to play both Clarke/Auburn kid and Collins at same time. One thing about any draft there are players that get not alot of publicity but when they get to the NBA they become the next Draymond Green. While the draft is limited now you never know this is where the Hawks scouting needs to do its job. Edwards out of Purdue who knows maybe he could be a legit outside shooter once he gets to the pros. While we are concentrating on the Reddish's and Culvers there there will be a few under the radar players who will be better than the media stars we talk about every day.


This is looking way to deep into trying to find a reason for Cam not being a standout on offense for Duke. Coach K is one of many elite coaches who wouldn't have a problem sitting a player if he was half assing it. The fact that Reddish is trying to make an impact on defense shows he's engaged and trying to give as much effort as possible.

As i've stated before, you're asking a guy who is used to be the focal point of an offense to take a backseat and be a spot up shooter for his non-shooting star teammates. To top it off, he's the only guy that can shoot consistently enough to make a difference. Zion, Tre Jones, Barrett and whoever they choose to play at center offer no ability to spacing the floor. It's like Bosh with Wade & Lebron. Bosh was easily a 20-10 PF, but once he got to Miami, he had to settle in being a spot up shooter most of the time. Luckily for him, Miami had a few others that could shoot.

So because he has to be the floor spacer, Duke can't afford to get him going. Coach K recognizes what is working for his team, and has stuck with it. He and everyone else knows he's probably got the worst spacing in college basketball, and the only way to make up for it is by having Reddish camp out on the perimeter. This is honestly good for Reddish as he won't have an issue early on settling into this kind of role while he figures out the NBA as a young rookie.

With Trae's passing and ability to space the floor and Huerter able to be even more efficient from 3, Reddish could find more opportunities to get the ball off of pin downs, curls, and backdoor cuts. Atlanta is probably the best spot for him. He can build up his confidence as a secondary ball handler, and has plenty of spacing and movement to help him be himself.

If you're willing to take a high floor guy over Cam's high ceiling, then you're hoping a guy like Clarke will truly develop more than just being an energy guy with hardly no other tools to justify being more than that. He's very limited from range, and will never be a faceup 4. His impact on defense is his only real carrying tool he has to showcase. What does he really offer on offense?
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Post#2160 » by King Ken » Tue Apr 2, 2019 12:46 am

CP War Hawks wrote:Once the dust settles, it's going to be Nas vs Culver vs. Redd for the 4th overall.

TS isn't going to pass on a young productive soph that leads imo.

Danny Ferry would take Culver. He fits Ferry profile. College productivity over everything unless they are internationals.

Doesn't fit Schlenk PDS scheme and his drafting thus far.

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