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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
9
9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
35
34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2161 » by Spud2nique » Tue Apr 2, 2019 1:01 am

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CP War Hawks wrote:Once the dust settles, it's going to be Nas vs Culver vs. Redd for the 4th overall.

TS isn't going to pass on a young productive soph that leads imo.

Danny Ferry would take Culver. He fits Ferry profile. College productivity over everything unless they are internationals.

Doesn't fit Schlenk PDS scheme and his drafting thus far.



Nas, as in Little? Ha! He wishes he was being considered for 4th. I wouldn’t pick him top 10.

Cam and Culver.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2162 » by personanongrata » Tue Apr 2, 2019 1:18 am

King Ken wrote:
CP War Hawks wrote:Once the dust settles, it's going to be Nas vs Culver vs. Redd for the 4th overall.

TS isn't going to pass on a young productive soph that leads imo.

Danny Ferry would take Culver. He fits Ferry profile. College productivity over everything unless they are internationals.

Doesn't fit Schlenk PDS scheme and his drafting thus far.


Schlenk might have to deviate from the PDS philosophy a bit this draft, not sure there is a perfect fit.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2163 » by Night Traen » Tue Apr 2, 2019 1:48 am

King Ken wrote:
CP War Hawks wrote:Once the dust settles, it's going to be Nas vs Culver vs. Redd for the 4th overall.

TS isn't going to pass on a young productive soph that leads imo.

Danny Ferry would take Culver. He fits Ferry profile. College productivity over everything unless they are internationals.

Doesn't fit Schlenk PDS scheme and his drafting thus far.

Who fits Schlenk, IYO?
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Post#2164 » by observer1995 » Tue Apr 2, 2019 2:08 am

CP War Hawks wrote:Once the dust settles, it's going to be Nas vs Culver vs. Redd for the 4th overall.

TS isn't going to pass on a young productive soph that leads imo.


Nas Little? Lmfaoooooooo no dude.

I almost thought you were talking about Reid for a second there, sheesh.

As I said earlier, if the rumors Reddish was playing hurt are right, cancel everything I said here on him. It'd explain a lot (and would also be very confusing). Ultimately it's up to the team though, and I think for sure they bring him in to interview and work him out and see how they feel.
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Post#2165 » by CP War Hawks » Tue Apr 2, 2019 2:34 am

Some of yall seem to underestimate the power of the combine and workouts. The most important thing is the mental aspect. Redd is easily the weakest in that dept.
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Post#2166 » by LunchBox21 » Tue Apr 2, 2019 4:15 am

I'm like 80% sure Reddish is the pick if we don't land #1 (if Schlenk does the unthinkable and trades out of 1 to take Cam.......) so I've begun rationalizing it in my head already.
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Post#2167 » by EazyRoc » Tue Apr 2, 2019 4:51 am

Cam Reddish just isn’t that good.

“He just looks like a pro” still does nothing for me. The fact that he was even willing to play 3rd fiddle to Zion and RJ is an indictment. Then he gets to Duke and really plays like a 2nd round draft pick all season.
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Post#2168 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Tue Apr 2, 2019 5:11 am

If we end up with two of #6, #7 or #8, as the odds suggest we very well might, almost anyone knows by now that I'm one who won't be surprised if the Colonel goes all-in on landing another chance in 2020 for a lottery pick.

Reddish? I'm bluer on Reddish than I was a month ago. I'm even inclined to think he might very well want to give serious consideration to doing another year under Coach K. He has physical tools, no doubt, but he's simply not taken his game to the next level this season to give anyone the confidence to draft him top 5, maybe not even top 10. Felt he might have a game or two in the tournament that would turn heads and re-establish confidence. Didn't happen, of course.

For what it matters, this amateur scout doesn't see Schlenk taking any of the catalog of SGs or SFs with those picks. If I'm wrong, it's probably Reddish or KZ Okpala who will make me wrong.

And I won't stop repeating it because people still seem to ignore the point... by Schlenk's own words, and by virtue of the fact that conventional wisdom says this is the last time our own pick will be a high draft pick, he HAS to acquire, at least, a legitimate high ceiling talent that could conceivably turn into an elite player in 3-5 years.

If not Zion, I have Bruno, Bol and Reddish... in that order (was Reddish at the front before). I begrudgingly will add Doumbouya, who was sidelined for so much of the year by injury and wasn't able to build on the promise that many saw in him last November when we first began to get some scouting reports and mock drafts bubbling up. He's so young, so blessed with raw skills and superhero frame, but this was a critical year for him to have missed in terms of development.

But none of those four have made such a persuasive case for themselves that I wouldn't take a 2020 unprotected from CLE, MEM or NOLA in a heartbeat in exchange for our two if all are at #6-#8.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2169 » by King Ken » Tue Apr 2, 2019 6:00 am

personanongrata wrote:
King Ken wrote:
CP War Hawks wrote:Once the dust settles, it's going to be Nas vs Culver vs. Redd for the 4th overall.

TS isn't going to pass on a young productive soph that leads imo.

Danny Ferry would take Culver. He fits Ferry profile. College productivity over everything unless they are internationals.

Doesn't fit Schlenk PDS scheme and his drafting thus far.


Schlenk might have to deviate from the PDS philosophy a bit this draft, not sure there is a perfect fit.

Travis a much better drafter than Danny. Danny would draft clowns like Adraian Payne who was a bust from the jump but had great baseline stats for his draft class and produced. But anyone with scout eyes knew he wasn't going to be any good in the NBA. He didn't translate.

John Jenkins as well. Travis might not be the trades guy Danny was but he is Miles away a better scout and has a. better eye for how things work in the NBA
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Post#2170 » by King Ken » Tue Apr 2, 2019 6:14 am

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King Ken wrote:
CP War Hawks wrote:Once the dust settles, it's going to be Nas vs Culver vs. Redd for the 4th overall.

TS isn't going to pass on a young productive soph that leads imo.

Danny Ferry would take Culver. He fits Ferry profile. College productivity over everything unless they are internationals.

Doesn't fit Schlenk PDS scheme and his drafting thus far.

Who fits Schlenk, IYO?

Reddish is the only one with a NBA profile in this draft who does.

Hunter fits it but his projectable shooting is not there. Nor is the ability to beat his man off of the dribble but his body is 230 that's straight solid. He doesn't need the wiggle when he has the sauce.

Little is anti.

Culver can pass and dribble, can't shoot. Definitely can't for the NBA. His shot doesn't translate and he can beat anyone off the dribble so that's another issue while Cam can, he just can't control himself in traffic while Culver is tremendous in traffic.

Langford cant shoot

Okpala can do it all but he's raw.

Keldon cant do any of the three at a high enough level for plus projectable data.

You got guys like Okeke and Rui who is but they are bigs, not wings. Cam Johnson can shoot. This class has talented wings but all will need time. I almost compared them to the wave of wings who got drafted last year from 9 to 21. Guys like the Bridges, Knox, Robinson, DeVincezo, Hureter, Okogie, Walker, and Allen. This class lacks star power after 3.

Its tough to project Cam Reddish as a star. Nothing from my data clips says that will happen. But PG13 wasn't this good at the same stage v. Extremely worse comp. The NBA is a different game. The space will really help Reddish.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#2171 » by King Ken » Tue Apr 2, 2019 6:17 am

CP War Hawks wrote:Some of yall seem to underestimate the power of the combine and workouts. The most important thing is the mental aspect. Redd is easily the weakest in that dept.

This is true but guy who was that guy in 2018 draft? Kevin Huerter.

We went PDS. Others wanted the kill work ethic in Walker. Or the killer instincts in Donte D. The winner mentality like Grayson Allen. The dawg in Okogie. But we went PDS in Kevin. I think everyone was happy with that pick. Stick to the script
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Post#2172 » by Indyhawks26 » Tue Apr 2, 2019 10:59 am

If you could put Lebron James heart/will power in Reddish body then go ahead and take him.
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Post#2173 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Apr 2, 2019 12:27 pm

If we could manage to snag Nas Little outside the lottery, I'd be in favor of that. We saw all of his warts this season, but he has great size, measurables, athleticism. I'd dangle Taurean and that Cleveland pick to a team to move back into the late teens -- maybe that would entice a team like Detroit or OKC.

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He'd a be a worthy project -- and a lot of his offensive shortcomings could be mitigated playing alongside a floor general as talented as Trae.

There's no hiding that the UNC freshman flat-out struggled through 33 regular-season games. He figures to really help himself in workouts -- as he's likely to post Kawhi Leonard-like measurements while showing he has more skill than he flashed in college -- and impress in interviews. A fresh start will be good for Little, who came into the season with sky-high expectations and simply hasn't gotten comfortable. But there's no question that even some of Little's biggest fans in NBA front offices are skeptical of using a high pick on him.
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Post#2174 » by jayu70 » Tue Apr 2, 2019 12:35 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:If we could manage to snag Nas Little outside the lottery, I'd be in favor of that. We saw all of his warts this season, but he has great size, measurables, athleticism. I'd dangle Taurean and that Cleveland pick to a team to move back into the late teens -- maybe that would entice a team like Detroit or OKC.

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He'd a be a worthy project -- and a lot of his offensive shortcomings could be mitigated playing alongside a floor general as talented as Trae.

There's no hiding that the UNC freshman flat-out struggled through 33 regular-season games. He figures to really help himself in workouts -- as he's likely to post Kawhi Leonard-like measurements while showing he has more skill than he flashed in college -- and impress in interviews. A fresh start will be good for Little, who came into the season with sky-high expectations and simply hasn't gotten comfortable. But there's no question that even some of Little's biggest fans in NBA front offices are skeptical of using a high pick on him.
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Post#2175 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Apr 2, 2019 12:41 pm

jayu70 wrote:What's his defense like?


Elite in HS and on the All Star circuit.

Undisciplined, unfocused at UNC.

He was so bad under Roy Williams, I'm almost ready to declare it an aberration. They clearly were a terrible match. (Roy was trying to win a title with his seniors upperclassmen, not develop one-and-done freshmen.)

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Post#2176 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Apr 2, 2019 12:44 pm

Anybody have any thoughts on this kid? ESPN mentions him as the SG version of Draymond Green?!? :o

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Post#2177 » by jayu70 » Tue Apr 2, 2019 12:46 pm

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jayu70 wrote:What's his defense like?


Elite in HS and on the All Star circuit.

Undisciplined, unfocused at UNC.

He was so bad under Roy Williams, I'm almost ready to declare it an aberration. They clearly were a terrible match. (Roy was trying to win a title with his seniors upperclassmen, not develop one-and-done freshmen.)

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Is he anything like Stanley Johnson? I hope not.
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Post#2178 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Apr 2, 2019 12:51 pm

jayu70 wrote:Is he anything like Stanley Johnson? I hope not.



Ugh

That seems like a fair comparison.

(But 6 months ago we were mentioning him as having the potential of Kawhi-Lite. I'd take that gamble with a pick in the teens.)

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Post#2179 » by jayu70 » Tue Apr 2, 2019 1:03 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
jayu70 wrote:Is he anything like Stanley Johnson? I hope not.



Ugh

That seems like a fair comparison.

(But 6 months ago we were mentioning him as having the potential of Kawhi-Lite. I'd take that gamble with a pick in the teens.)

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Post#2180 » by King Ken » Tue Apr 2, 2019 1:06 pm

Nas Little would be a terrible fit. A wing who can't really PDS but has tremendous tools and will likely be a good player. My comparison is that his impact and value will be a lot like Josh Smith. Stan Johnson was a better prospect but his flaws for me meant his boom or bust potential was higher.

While Nas has everything you need to be a player in the NBA athletically and offensively long term but lacks the feel for the game and likely the impact to be a player who you need on a winner.

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