Atlanta Hawks 2015 Off-Season Thread

Post #221 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:46 pm

td00 wrote:How about we go get ANYONE that can compete with Mosgov/Thompson/Varajeo? We are so small, and need a big man in the worse way.....still since Zaza and his injury issues.

The real question is who can co-exist with Millsap and Horford, both all-stars? You have to be willing to come off the bench. That's the best label we can give to a big man at this time.

33 year old Tyson Chandler? He's experienced, strong, a champion. We can limit his minutes until the playoffs when those three easily split 30+ minutes a game.

Shouldn't break the bank.

Post #222 » by **Jamaaliver** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:49 pm

Read on Twitter

Millsap is going to be courted so hard this summer...

I think he only comes back if we max him out. And I honestly don't think he's worth it. We'd be approaching Joe Johnson territory. Max salary for modest production.

PandaKidd · Post #223 » by **PandaKidd** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:03 pm

If he was 28 id say go for it. Hes not, hes 30. Let him walk and LAND A CENTER. Can we at least TRY having a legit center for ONCE?

tbhawksfan1 · Post #224 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:36 pm

Are we really a win now team? So we keep the core and make small upgrades. Are we really contending? If the answer is no, then why would we re-sign Sap and Carroll? Their salaries going forward would limit our flexibility. We would have to win a championship with this core.

Are we a team that can tread water for a year or two while making improvements to contend? Do we have enough untapped potential? Same conclusion as above; good but not good enough.

Rebuild? We have some sell high players that could get us a potential star. JT, Horf and KK all have nice trade value. We could load up in the draft and hope for a star while assembleing a high ceiling young core.

Some want to win even if it isn't a championship, some only want a championship.

If your playing for a championship, what do you do?

youngthegiant · Post #225 » by **youngthegiant** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:33 pm

Would Wilson Chandler and a portlands 1st be enough for you guys to part with schroeder? Get some insurance in case Carroll gets a huge offer, and you guys can add a Jerian grant or tyus jones at 15.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #226 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:39 pm

Me personally, I don't think we're a 60 win team. This current core isn't strong enough to go all the way like Detroit was.

There are a lot of different ways to go this off season that we need to take advantage of. This summer will determine our fate for the next 5 years imo. Really can't wait until the offseason finally kicks off. The Braves and Falcons have made some interesting moves so far, I hope the Hawks take the steps they did in the right direction.

hawkschop1 · Post #227 » by **hawkschop1** » Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:47 pm

for what it is worth I saw jeff green in Georgetown,DC today. just thought i'd share. :lol:

Post #228 » by **Hawk Eye** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:46 pm

Don't think I will ever be listening to this podcast again. The host said that he'd trade Jeff Teague straight up for Kyle Lowry, Ty Lawson, and would have to t-h-i-n-k about doing a straight up trade for Rajon freaking Rondo.

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hawkschop1 · Post #229 » by **hawkschop1** » Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:21 pm

^teague is vastly undervalued even by our own fans. Makes me sad.

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tbhawksfan1 · Post #230 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:45 am

The non-tanking rebuild. Take a team with good assets (but no real shot at a championship), and turn the assets into picks and cap space before the draft. Let FAs walk to be able to absorb some bad contracts and acquire more picks. This is a rebuild that should open a very high ceiling after about 3 years. In the meantime you watch lotto picks develop.

If we applied this senario to the Hawks, we trade: Horf, JT, KK and any players that can obtain picks. Let Sap and Carroll sign their big contracts elsewhere. Use cap space to acquire picks through bad contracts. EX.

Horf for #4/calderon and a future first
Acquire #30 with a future protected second
ect...

These are axamples of possible deals that could net us 3 or 4 lottery picks this draft. Add another top pick next season and you have a couple top 5 and 5 lottery picks to develop.

It's a long term plan with a couple of seasons dealing with the youth. Imagine Bud building his team with a bunch of top picks.

Very improbable but really helps with my draft addiction

Post #231 » by **Hawk Eye** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:10 pm

^ how is that a "non-tanking rebuild"? Our entire team would consist of almost all rookies. We would easily be in the lottery for years to come if we followed through with this strategy.

Post #232 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:48 pm

PMOTT3 wrote:^ how is that a "non-tanking rebuild"? Our entire team would consist of almost all rookies. We would easily be in the lottery for years to come if we followed through with this strategy.

We'd basically be the Philadelphia 76ers. I'm okay with moving a major piece for a top young prospest we love. Spurs kept their championship window open by trading a rotation player in George Hill and obtaining a franchise cornerstone in kawhi Leonard.

But obtaining a boatload of young players to play together...you're approaching Minnesota, Philadelphia territory. Loads of talent. Wasting away on bad teams, learning bad habits. In the end, most of their coaches and players will jet as soon as possible for better situations.

Post #233 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:52 pm

Thoughts on this rumor from back in March?

Tobias Harris – Orlando Magic

Will the Magic pay Tobias Harris? That is the magic question. Harris has posted a solid season since the Magic tabled extension talks in October. Harris is believed to be obtainable in free agency even though the Magic plan to issue a qualifying offer and restrict his free agency. There have been a number of teams linked to Harris including the Los Angeles Lakers, New York Knicks, Philadelphia 76ers and even Atlanta Hawks...The belief is that the Magic would match almost anything under $13 million a season, the question is will Harris get an offer sheet worth more than that number in July and will the Magic budge off their price range?

T Harris at $13 million isn't the worst deal for a player who will only get better over the course of the next 5+ years.

Tobias, Wes Mathews and Gary Neal seems like a nice rotation of wing players to invest in.

td00 · Post #234 » by **td00** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:31 pm

On Harris, do you value him more than DMC? I'm thinking you're going to pay Harris more than DMC, and we all know Bud loves both DMC and Sap, and that is his preference even if he has to pay a bit more. Harris is my request if DMC doesn't come back, but going to be hard to wrangle him from a division rival.
As long as we don't go into this season trying to save money as in year's past. The only way we improve is if we improve our starting rotation and get more backcourt size. We can do just fine with with JT, DS and Mack running the team. Its SG and someone to guard the CLE frontcourt and have an answer to play small or big.

Post #235 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:39 pm

td00 wrote:On Harris, do you value him more than DMC? I'm thinking you're going to pay Harris more than DMC, and we all know Bud loves both DMC and Sap, and that is his preference even if he has to pay a bit more. Harris is my request if DMC doesn't come back, but going to be hard to wrangle him from a division rival.
As long as we don't go into this season trying to save money as in year's past. The only way we improve is if we improve our starting rotation and get more backcourt size. We can do just fine with with JT, DS and Mack running the team. Its SG and someone to guard the CLE frontcourt and have an answer to play small or big.

GREAT question.

I am hesitant to give long, fat contracts to guys who will clearly be worse players by the end of the contract. (Think JJ, Smoove) Tobias isn't even in his prime and he's matching Demarre's offensive production/efficiency. it tends to reason he'll get stronger and better over the next 4+ years.

I like Demarre and am not against bringing him back. But it's with the acknowledgement that today he is fantastic, but he's not likely to be much better at age 31 than he is at age 29. And by 33, he'll likely be a couple of steps slower than he is today.

Tobias is only 22 and is barely scratching the surface of his potential. Signing him is with the expectation that by year four, he can be a pillar of the team with years left at his peak.

Rip2137 · Post #236 » by **Rip2137** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:48 pm

I can't give Tobias 13 a year man...i like him as a player but not 13 a year.

Post #237 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:01 pm

Rip2137 wrote:I can't give Tobias 13 a year man...i like him as a player but not 13 a year.

LOL, that was my initial thought. And I can't see any way Bud does it. (Though I'd be okay with tendering an offer just so ORL has to max him out to keep him.)

It's been pointed out to me that $13 million a year is tough to swallow under the current salary cap, but come 2016 that type of salary will be more manageable.

I'm just really nervous about committing to a core in their 30s that clearly isn't good enough to make the Finals. But won't really improve long term...

We'll be good, but not great. And then we'll be old.

Post #238 » by **ATL Boy** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:04 pm

How much do you guys think Wes Matthews will command in the open market? When healthy he's a great perimeter defender and a top 5 3 point shooter in the NBA. However, the fact that he's coming off of one of the worst injuries in sports will probably decrease his next contract.

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Post #239 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:11 pm

ATL Boy wrote:How much do you guys think Wes Matthews will command in the open market? When healthy he's a great perimeter defender and a top 5 3 point shooter in the NBA. However, the fact that he's coming off of one of the worst injuries in sports will probably decrease his next contract.

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Either a long contract with less per year ($8 million+) and a player option.

Or a short contract with more per year ($11 million+) and a team option.

Until we see him play, we have no idea really what to expect from him over the next 18 months.

I'd be okay with a 2 yr deal for about $23 million. Maybe a number of incentives for games played.

But we're about to see some ridiculous contracts dispensed in anticipation of the rising salary cap.

Who do you guys value more:

Healthy Danny Green on a huge contract?

Or Injured Wes Mathews on a value type deal?

MaceCase · Post #240 » by **MaceCase** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:19 pm

The injury should also decrease your expectations of him. It's perhaps the next worst thing you want to hear next to "ACL", if 30 now qualifies you for AARP in the NBA then strike two and then he's a shorter wing that is on the bulkier side which is strike three considering an injury to a lower extremity. You may just be getting Deshawn Stevenson but it's entirely doubtful that either him or his agent would have that in mind when it comes to contract demands.