Atlanta Hawks Official Trade Ideas Thread (Part 2)

[jayu70]

Portland wants to supplement the Lillard/McCollum duo with a third impact player, per sources around the league.

They will not get Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, or Jimmy Butler. But how different would they look if they traded for a wing on the level of Tobias Harris or Khris Middleton?

They could dangle their first-round pick to chase someone like Taurean Prince, hoping he develops into a real 3-and-D starter with more off-the-bounce juice than Harkless or Aminu. Perhaps they could wrest Otto Porter Jr. from Washington.

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If the playoffs started today that Portland pick would be slotted at #28. No interest in that low of a pick for Prince.

[Spud2nique]

I’m not interested in sweepstakes for Beal, we aren’t ready for him yet. Let’s keep building, we need a top 3 pick in 2019 and Beal would hurt that.

[Jamaaliver]

Is a prospect with his mental and physical concerns worth trading a an expiring and future second rounders for?

Markelle Fultz trade rumors: 76ers no longer consider last year's No. 1 pick in long-term plans, open to making deal
The Sixers are reportedly tired of waiting on the development of last year's top pick and ready to move on

Despite trading up to select Markelle Fultz with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2017 NBA Draft, the Philadelphia 76ers no longer consider the second-year guard to be in their long-term plans, according to Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer.

From Pompey:

"Some sources have said that, despite the team's statements, Fultz is no longer in the Sixers' long-term plans. And they are no longer using his shoulder as an excuse for his performances.

…

If the 76ers have tired of this saga and are considering trading Fultz, and multiple sources said they are, his trade value must have declined a great deal since the start of the season… The team might be able to get a late-first-round pick for Fultz from a desperate club willing to take a chance, or the Sixers could try for a player with an expiring contract. That would enable them to avoid paying the $9.7 million that Fultz is guaranteed for next season.

[Jimmy] Butler is expected to opt out of the final year of his deal, and the money saved by trading Fultz could allow the Sixers to re-sign Butler and another top free agent."

CBS Sports

[Spud2nique]

I wouldn’t wanna trade for Fultz. First off, we have Trae, I know Fultz might be able to play off the ball or whatnot but I think he’s already a bust as the 1st pick and it’s super early.

[kg01]

I wouldn’t wanna trade for Fultz. First off, we have Trae, I know Fultz might be able to play off the ball or whatnot but I think he’s already a bust as the 1st pick and it’s super early.

The draw, for me, is that we desperately need more playmakers. The bust aspect is fair. However, that's no the 6ers, not on the team Fultz ends up with. They're the ones who not only wasted a #1 pick, they traded up to get it. Yikes. They get to keep that baggage.

If we acquire him, the pressure's off. He'll get a chance to develop slowly and, at this point, the price should be negligible considering his value is probably just over a bag o' used balls - not even basketballs, just a hodge podge of used softballs, racquetballs, etc.

[Spud2nique]

I wouldn’t wanna trade for Fultz. First off, we have Trae, I know Fultz might be able to play off the ball or whatnot but I think he’s already a bust as the 1st pick and it’s super early.

The draw, for me, is that we desperately need more playmakers. The bust aspect is fair. However, that's no the 6ers, not on the team Fultz ends up with. They're the ones who not only wasted a #1 pick, they traded up to get it. Yikes. They get to keep that baggage.

If we acquire him, the pressure's off. He'll get a chance to develop slowly and, at this point, the price should be negligible considering his value is probably just over a bag o' used balls - not even basketballs, just a hodge podge of used softballs, racquetballs, etc.

No doubt the price should be low or lower than what his talents show. Pressure would be off as well. I just don’t know if I want a one on one guy like Fultz even being on our roster. I tend to lean towards players that swing the rock with no hesitation looking for the next best shot for the team. That ain’t Markelle.

[Jamaaliver]

The draw, for me, is that we desperately need more playmakers. The bust aspect is fair. However, that's no the 6ers, not on the team Fultz ends up with. They're the ones who not only wasted a #1 pick, they traded up to get it. Yikes. They get to keep that baggage.

If we acquire him, the pressure's off. He'll get a chance to develop slowly...

I do love the idea of developing talented youngsters slowly.

IDK if our G-League franchise is getting the same level of development as it was previously.

But, I'd love to bring in a young guy like Fultz for next to nothing as a potential backup option at PG and SG. I'd let him spend some time in Erie and then let him compete for a bench role next summer.

Best case scenario: he excels away from the limelight and we trade him for modest value in 14 months.

Worst case: it costs us expiring-Dedmon and the Cleveland pick to determine that he really is un-salvageable.

That's a low-risk, high reward scenario worth pursuing.

Spoiler:

NBA Sophomores Trying to Avoid the Bust Label

Markelle Fultz, Philadelphia 76ers



Even at 20 years old, the cloud of doubt hovering over Markelle Fultz seemingly gets darker by the month.

This story's latest chapter features his agent/attorney pulling him from practices and games until he receives an evaluation from a shoulder specialist, per The Athletic's David Aldridge. But that turned into a wrist evaluation, per The Athletic's Shams Charania. And Fultz's teammates, including Joel Embiid, aren't sure what's going on, either, per The Athletic's Derek Bodner.

Now, it's being reported the sophomore is not in the team's long-term plans, per the Inquirer's Keith Pompey.

The lack of communication and clarity on the situation has been frustrating. But the main concern still focuses on his jump shot, a weapon he used to power him toward the top of draft boards as a freshman at Washington.

What happened to it? He's shooting 33.3 percent on pull-ups, making one per game, and he's been a non-threat off the ball, averaging 0.1 catch-and-shoot conversions.

Now well into his second season, Fultz continues to perplex with a reluctance to shoot and constantly evolving shot mechanics.

Philadelphia is also scoring 7.7 more points per 100 possessions when 2017's No. 1 pick is off the court, per Basketball Reference.

The bust clock has started ticking on the unraveling Fultz, whose ineffectiveness, inexplicable breakdown and lack of transparency have led to a shocking downfall.

Bleacher Report

[jayu70]

Is a prospect with his mental and physical concerns worth trading a an expiring and future second rounders for?

Markelle Fultz trade rumors: 76ers no longer consider last year's No. 1 pick in long-term plans, open to making deal
The Sixers are reportedly tired of waiting on the development of last year's top pick and ready to move on

Despite trading up to select Markelle Fultz with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2017 NBA Draft, the Philadelphia 76ers no longer consider the second-year guard to be in their long-term plans, according to Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer.

From Pompey:

"Some sources have said that, despite the team's statements, Fultz is no longer in the Sixers' long-term plans. And they are no longer using his shoulder as an excuse for his performances.

…

If the 76ers have tired of this saga and are considering trading Fultz, and multiple sources said they are, his trade value must have declined a great deal since the start of the season… The team might be able to get a late-first-round pick for Fultz from a desperate club willing to take a chance, or the Sixers could try for a player with an expiring contract. That would enable them to avoid paying the $9.7 million that Fultz is guaranteed for next season.

[Jimmy] Butler is expected to opt out of the final year of his deal, and the money saved by trading Fultz could allow the Sixers to re-sign Butler and another top free agent."

CBS Sports

I suggested Lin and our 2019 2nd on the T&T board last week.

Here's my concern: Trae (don't need anything messing with his head), Fultz's injured shoulder, his injured wrist but more importantly his 'injured' head space. Physical injuries I can get past - the mental stuff, that's worrisome especially considering he's owed $10 and $12 mil the next 2 years.

I wouldn't offer much more than that - Philly needs to clear there books next offseason while continuing to compete this season - Hawks help with both.

[Spud2nique]

Is a prospect with his mental and physical concerns worth trading a an expiring and future second rounders for?

Markelle Fultz trade rumors: 76ers no longer consider last year's No. 1 pick in long-term plans, open to making deal
The Sixers are reportedly tired of waiting on the development of last year's top pick and ready to move on

Despite trading up to select Markelle Fultz with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2017 NBA Draft, the Philadelphia 76ers no longer consider the second-year guard to be in their long-term plans, according to Keith Pompey of the Philadelphia Inquirer.

From Pompey:

"Some sources have said that, despite the team's statements, Fultz is no longer in the Sixers' long-term plans. And they are no longer using his shoulder as an excuse for his performances.

…

If the 76ers have tired of this saga and are considering trading Fultz, and multiple sources said they are, his trade value must have declined a great deal since the start of the season… The team might be able to get a late-first-round pick for Fultz from a desperate club willing to take a chance, or the Sixers could try for a player with an expiring contract. That would enable them to avoid paying the $9.7 million that Fultz is guaranteed for next season.

[Jimmy] Butler is expected to opt out of the final year of his deal, and the money saved by trading Fultz could allow the Sixers to re-sign Butler and another top free agent."

CBS Sports

I suggested Lin and our 2019 2nd on the T&T board last week.

Here's my concern: Trae (don't need anything messing with his head), Fultz's injured shoulder, his injured wrist but more importantly his 'injured' head space. Physical injuries I can get past - the mental stuff, that's worrisome especially considering he's owed $10 and $12 mil the next 2 years.

I wouldn't offer much more than that - Philly needs to clear there books next offseason while continuing to compete this season - Hawks help with both.

No I think we need to think long term and Fultz is a curveball. On the flip side if he ever planned out it’s the best deal ever most likely considering where he was drafted and what we have to give.

[Jamaaliver]

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[Spud2nique]

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My take is I’m not big on acquiring Fultz to keep him. But if we were to acquire develop and flip by next year he could be worth extra assets down the line.

[kg01]

I’m not interested in sweepstakes for Beal, we aren’t ready for him yet. Let’s keep building, we need a top 3 pick in 2019 and Beal would hurt that.

I just don't wanna be Phoenix though, mayne.

Them dudes been chasing the 'next big thing' draft-wise for basically a decade. They have a roster chok full o' lotto picks. They're on their, what, 3rd coach and 2nd GM.

On top of that, they've already max'd out a guy based off the promise of some empty arse nimbers which haven't remotely led to anything approaching any level of consistent winning.

And, after you wade through all that dreck, they are the only team in the West without a remote shot of making the playoffs. Likely this year or next year.

If you can turn one or both the DAL and CLE picks into Beal, you do it and you don't look back.

#Don'tBePHX

[jayu70]

I’m not interested in sweepstakes for Beal, we aren’t ready for him yet. Let’s keep building, we need a top 3 pick in 2019 and Beal would hurt that.

I just don't wanna be Phoenix though, mayne.

Them dudes been chasing the 'next big thing' draft-wise for basically a decade. They have a roster chok full o' lotto picks. They're on their, what, 3rd coach and 2nd GM.

On top of that, they've already max'd out a guy based off the promise of some empty arse nimbers which haven't remotely led to anything approaching any level of consistent winning.

And, after you wade through all that dreck, they are the only team in the West without a remote shot of making the playoffs. Likely this year or next year.

If you can turn one or both the DAL and CLE picks into Beal, you do it and you don't look back.

#Don'tBePHX

A draft day trade for Beal using Mavs OR Cavs pick.
Beal now would disrupt this year's draft spot challenge

[kg01]

I’m not interested in sweepstakes for Beal, we aren’t ready for him yet. Let’s keep building, we need a top 3 pick in 2019 and Beal would hurt that.

I just don't wanna be Phoenix though, mayne.

Them dudes been chasing the 'next big thing' draft-wise for basically a decade. They have a roster chok full o' lotto picks. They're on their, what, 3rd coach and 2nd GM.

On top of that, they've already max'd out a guy based off the promise of some empty arse nimbers which haven't remotely led to anything approaching any level of consistent winning.

And, after you wade through all that dreck, they are the only team in the West without a remote shot of making the playoffs. Likely this year or next year.

If you can turn one or both the DAL and CLE picks into Beal, you do it and you don't look back.

#Don'tBePHX

A draft day trade for Beal using Mavs OR Cavs pick.
Beal now would disrupt this year's draft spot challenge

I kinda think he won't last in WAS that long.

[jayu70]

I just don't wanna be Phoenix though, mayne.

Them dudes been chasing the 'next big thing' draft-wise for basically a decade. They have a roster chok full o' lotto picks. They're on their, what, 3rd coach and 2nd GM.

On top of that, they've already max'd out a guy based off the promise of some empty arse nimbers which haven't remotely led to anything approaching any level of consistent winning.

And, after you wade through all that dreck, they are the only team in the West without a remote shot of making the playoffs. Likely this year or next year.

If you can turn one or both the DAL and CLE picks into Beal, you do it and you don't look back.

#Don'tBePHX

A draft day trade for Beal using Mavs OR Cavs pick.
Beal now would disrupt this year's draft spot challenge

I kinda think he won't last in WAS that long.

They've won 3 of their last 4. As long as they keep winning, dont think he gets moved unless Beal asks for a trade (he's denied but does6mean much)

[Jamaaliver]

If we can begin next season with a group consisting of Trae, Beal, Collins + our own top-10 pick next summer....I go for it.

That's a great, complementary core of players with high upside -- under team control for years.

[Spud2nique]

I’m not interested in sweepstakes for Beal, we aren’t ready for him yet. Let’s keep building, we need a top 3 pick in 2019 and Beal would hurt that.

I just don't wanna be Phoenix though, mayne.

Them dudes been chasing the 'next big thing' draft-wise for basically a decade. They have a roster chok full o' lotto picks. They're on their, what, 3rd coach and 2nd GM.

On top of that, they've already max'd out a guy based off the promise of some empty arse nimbers which haven't remotely led to anything approaching any level of consistent winning.

And, after you wade through all that dreck, they are the only team in the West without a remote shot of making the playoffs. Likely this year or next year.

If you can turn one or both the DAL and CLE picks into Beal, you do it and you don't look back.

#Don'tBePHX

I get not wanting to be the Suns but we can’t have Beal..it doesn’t fit the timeline. I like Beal’s game and he would be perfect if he was a 2015 draftee vs 2012.

[Spud2nique]

I’m not trading our Mavs pick this year.

[jayu70]

I’m not trading our Mavs pick this year.

Don't look now, but today that pick is #14.

[Jamaaliver]

I’m not trading our Mavs pick this year.

Don't look now, but today that pick is #14.

Stupid, wonderful, amazing Luke Doncic.