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jayu70 wrote:Based on what Dallas gave up in terms of picks (2 1sts) and what they got in terms of THJr and Lee (Hawks won't have any offseason capspace) - that's counter to Travis's point of using capspace for assets.
Jamaaliver wrote:jayu70 wrote:Based on what Dallas gave up in terms of picks (2 1sts) and what they got in terms of THJr and Lee (Hawks won't have any offseason capspace) - that's counter to Travis's point of using capspace for assets.
I consider 23 year old All Star Kristaps Porzingis an asset.
And the best possible front court mate for John Collins.
Jamaaliver wrote:Understandable, but I'd have gladly given them Taurean, the Mavs pick and the Cleveland pick for the chance to add Kristaps to this core at the 5 spot.
That's a gamble I'd be willing to take. (Mainly because I don't foresee any of those players being All Stars long term.)
jayu70 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Understandable, but I'd have gladly given them Taurean, the Mavs pick and the Cleveland pick for the chance to add Kristaps to this core at the 5 spot.
That's a gamble I'd be willing to take. (Mainly because I don't foresee any of those players being All Stars long term.)
Sure, if that was all the trade involved. But we'd also be taking THJr and Lee as undesirables.
As he did last year, Schlenk insists any move must make sense to the Hawks. See above.
Schlenk also said the Hawks will not take back salary in a trade without getting significant return.
As the Hawks are in mid-rebuild, their young players are showing promise and getting valuable experience. Second-year forward John Collins and rookie guards Trae Young and Kevin Huerter, all first-round picks, have shown growth. They have mixed with third-year players Taurean Prince and DeAndre Bembry, also first-round picks, in the rotation.
“It’s hard not to be excited with our progress,” Schlenk said.
If you want Porzingis on the Hawks long term, the Mavs trade is a better outcome. It seems unlikely he signs an extension with the Mavs either. So by next years off-season, if you still like what you see from him you can sign Porzingis to a max (or whatever amount) with the money coming off the books with Baze and Plumlee. He seems dead set on taking the QO if he doesn't get paid this off-season and I don't think the Mavs will throw money at him without seeing him on the court.Jamaaliver wrote:Understandable, but I'd have gladly given them Taurean, the Mavs pick and the Cleveland pick for the chance to add Kristaps to this core at the 5 spot.
That's a gamble I'd be willing to take. (Mainly because I don't foresee any of those players being All Stars long term.)
Nathan2331 wrote:If you want Porzingis on the Hawks long term, the Mavs trade is a better outcome. It seems unlikely he signs an extension with the Mavs either. So by next years off-season, if you still like what you see from him you can sign Porzingis to a max (or whatever amount) with the money coming off the books with Baze and Plumlee. He seems dead set on taking the QO if he doesn't get paid this off-season and I don't think the Mavs will throw money at him without seeing him on the court.
It's possible. If the Mavs aren't willing to commit to him long term he'll take the QO, he seems crazy/confident enough to do that. The Mavs might end up paying him, but I can also see them not wanting to do so with his injury history. If that happens Porzingis could hit unrestricted free agency and depending on our moves we might be in pole position to sign him.Jamaaliver wrote:Nathan2331 wrote:If you want Porzingis on the Hawks long term, the Mavs trade is a better outcome. It seems unlikely he signs an extension with the Mavs either. So by next years off-season, if you still like what you see from him you can sign Porzingis to a max (or whatever amount) with the money coming off the books with Baze and Plumlee. He seems dead set on taking the QO if he doesn't get paid this off-season and I don't think the Mavs will throw money at him without seeing him on the court.
While I wholly disagree that he's unlikely to stay in Dallas.
I'd love nothing more than to steal KP away from them in 2020 Free Agency.
Jamaaliver wrote:Nathan2331 wrote:If you want Porzingis on the Hawks long term, the Mavs trade is a better outcome. It seems unlikely he signs an extension with the Mavs either. So by next years off-season, if you still like what you see from him you can sign Porzingis to a max (or whatever amount) with the money coming off the books with Baze and Plumlee. He seems dead set on taking the QO if he doesn't get paid this off-season and I don't think the Mavs will throw money at him without seeing him on the court.
While I wholly disagree that he's unlikely to stay in Dallas.
I'd love nothing more than to steal KP away from them in 2020 Free Agency.
Nathan2331 wrote:It's possible. If the Mavs aren't willing to commit to him long term he'll take the QO, he seems crazy/confident enough to do that. The Mavs might end up paying him, but I can also see them not wanting to do so with his injury history. If that happens Porzingis could hit unrestricted free agency and depending on our moves we might be in pole position to sign him.
Bleacher ReportThe Mavericks were likely hoping to keep Porzingis under team control for as long as possible after swinging a deal Thursday.
However, Porzingis will reportedly choose to sign his $4.5 million qualifying offer before signing a long-term deal as an unrestricted free agent in 2020.
If Porzingis is threatening to sign the QO, that means he wants to get paid. I really think Knicks management was an excuse, the Knicks didn't want to max him and Porzingis wasn't cool with that. If the Mavs don't pay up either I think they'll get the same treatment. And I could see a scenario where the Mavs are hesitant to pay an injury prone big they haven't seen play yet.kg01 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Nathan2331 wrote:If you want Porzingis on the Hawks long term, the Mavs trade is a better outcome. It seems unlikely he signs an extension with the Mavs either. So by next years off-season, if you still like what you see from him you can sign Porzingis to a max (or whatever amount) with the money coming off the books with Baze and Plumlee. He seems dead set on taking the QO if he doesn't get paid this off-season and I don't think the Mavs will throw money at him without seeing him on the court.
While I wholly disagree that he's unlikely to stay in Dallas.
I'd love nothing more than to steal KP away from them in 2020 Free Agency.
Why would he threaten to sign the QO if he ultimately plans to re-sign there? Maybe I'm misunderstanding what that means but it just seems like, post-trade, there was no further need for the grandstanding he/they were doing in NY.
Jamaaliver wrote:Nathan2331 wrote:It's possible. If the Mavs aren't willing to commit to him long term he'll take the QO, he seems crazy/confident enough to do that. The Mavs might end up paying him, but I can also see them not wanting to do so with his injury history. If that happens Porzingis could hit unrestricted free agency and depending on our moves we might be in pole position to sign him.Bleacher ReportThe Mavericks were likely hoping to keep Porzingis under team control for as long as possible after swinging a deal Thursday.
However, Porzingis will reportedly choose to sign his $4.5 million qualifying offer before signing a long-term deal as an unrestricted free agent in 2020.
You don't trade multiple future first round picks unless you're willing to commit to this guy long term. I have a feeling Dirk and Luka will successfully recruit him to stick around.
Nathan2331 wrote:Had we seen Porzingis publicly announced how excited he was to be gone from New York I'd probably feel differently. But I really don't think management was that big of a deal for him, he's looking for a contract the Knicks weren't offering and he'll take the QO if he thinks he'll get it in unrestricted free agency in 2020.
We'll see what goes down. If the Mavs pay up, then I'll be wrong. But don't believe Porzingis has loyalty to anyone but himself right now. If the Mavs don't take a huge chance and pay him now, we'll potentially have a shot in 2020 to steal him away.Jamaaliver wrote:Nathan2331 wrote:Had we seen Porzingis publicly announced how excited he was to be gone from New York I'd probably feel differently. But I really don't think management was that big of a deal for him, he's looking for a contract the Knicks weren't offering and he'll take the QO if he thinks he'll get it in unrestricted free agency in 2020.
Porzingis was skipping exit interviews with NY mgmt years ago. His relationship with that franchise has been damaged ever since. Long before money came into play.
Nathan2331 wrote:We'll see what goes down. If the Mavs pay up, then I'll be wrong. But don't believe Porzingis has loyalty to anyone but himself right now. If the Mavs don't take a huge chance and pay him now, we'll potentially have a shot in 2020 to steal him away.
Jamaaliver wrote:Nathan2331 wrote:We'll see what goes down. If the Mavs pay up, then I'll be wrong. But don't believe Porzingis has loyalty to anyone but himself right now. If the Mavs don't take a huge chance and pay him now, we'll potentially have a shot in 2020 to steal him away.
He's certainly saying all the right things publicly.
jayu70 wrote:Jamaaliver wrote:Damn, I love this guy. This is wise and consistent.
(I do wonder if we even inquired about acquiring Porzingis, though.)
Based on what Dallas gave up in terms of picks (2 1sts) and what they got in terms of THJr and Lee (Hawks won't have any offseason capspace) - that's counter to Travis's point of using capspace for assets.
