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Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#241 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:13 pm

Another proposed trade.

I think I'd rather bank on AJ as an offensive weapon and just develop some 3&D prospects from the 2nd Round of the draft (or G-League).
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Atlanta Hawks Receive: O.G. Anunoby

Toronto Raptors Receive: SF AJ Griffin, F De'Andre Hunter, 2024 first-round pick (via Sacramento Kings), 2027 second-round pick, 2030 second-round pick

If the Hawks can't convince the Raptors to give up Pascal Siakam, getting Anunoby in return is a terrific consolation prize.

Atlanta still needs to improve defensively around Trae Young after ranking just 22nd overall (115.4 rating) last season. Anunoby, 25,led the league in steals (1.9 a game) and received the most first-place All-Defensive team votes (14) of any wing in the NBA last season.

At 6'7" and 232 pounds, Anunoby is long enough to defend guards and strong enough to switch onto most bigs. A starting five of Young, Dejounte Murray, Saddiq Bey, Anunoby and Clint Capela would be formidable on both ends of the ball.

For Toronto, this is protection against losing another star player in free agency, as Anunoby can choose to turn down his final $19.9 million in 2024-25 and become an unrestricted free agent next summer instead.

Griffin, 19, had a strong rookie season in Atlanta, shooting 39.0 percent from three for the year and averaging 13.4 points in his 12 starts. Hunter, 25, averaged 15.4 points and is just starting a four-year, $90 million contract. Unlike Anunoby, there's no danger of him leaving anytime soon.

The Raptors also pick up a first-round pick in 2024 via the Kings (lottery-protected) and a pair of future seconds for their trouble.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#242 » by dms269 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:28 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Another proposed trade.

I think I'd rather bank on AJ as an offensive weapon and just develop some 3&D prospects from the 2nd Round of the draft (or G-League).
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Atlanta Hawks Receive: O.G. Anunoby

Toronto Raptors Receive: SF AJ Griffin, F De'Andre Hunter, 2024 first-round pick (via Sacramento Kings), 2027 second-round pick, 2030 second-round pick

If the Hawks can't convince the Raptors to give up Pascal Siakam, getting Anunoby in return is a terrific consolation prize.

Atlanta still needs to improve defensively around Trae Young after ranking just 22nd overall (115.4 rating) last season. Anunoby, 25,led the league in steals (1.9 a game) and received the most first-place All-Defensive team votes (14) of any wing in the NBA last season.

At 6'7" and 232 pounds, Anunoby is long enough to defend guards and strong enough to switch onto most bigs. A starting five of Young, Dejounte Murray, Saddiq Bey, Anunoby and Clint Capela would be formidable on both ends of the ball.

For Toronto, this is protection against losing another star player in free agency, as Anunoby can choose to turn down his final $19.9 million in 2024-25 and become an unrestricted free agent next summer instead.

Griffin, 19, had a strong rookie season in Atlanta, shooting 39.0 percent from three for the year and averaging 13.4 points in his 12 starts. Hunter, 25, averaged 15.4 points and is just starting a four-year, $90 million contract. Unlike Anunoby, there's no danger of him leaving anytime soon.

The Raptors also pick up a first-round pick in 2024 via the Kings (lottery-protected) and a pair of future seconds for their trouble.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#243 » by saloonyk8 » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:31 pm

Incoming players:

Hawks:
Paul George

Mavs:
Capela

Sixers:
Hardaway
DeAndre Hunter

Clippers:
Harden

I think Mavs would be giving some first round draft capital as well. Hawks don't have to give up young players or picks.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#244 » by tbhawksfan1 » Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:41 pm

saloonyk8 wrote:Incoming players:

Hawks:
Paul George

Mavs:
Capela

Sixers:
Hardaway
DeAndre Hunter

Clippers:
Harden

I think Mavs would be giving some first round draft capital as well. Hawks don't have to give up young players or picks.


He's 33. Has averaged less than 45 games a season over the last four and is owed over $45M a year the next two years :noway: :crazy:
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#245 » by saloonyk8 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:06 am

That's a bit simplistic. If PG was a free agent this year he would absolutely command a monster deal. 2 way wings don't grow on trees even with health issues.

A team with PG as second or third best player would be a finals capable team.

Losing Capela and Hunter with OO and JJ still in the team would be acceptable path to landing a star
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#246 » by hawks_fan25 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:04 pm

This seems pretty fair for all teams to me:

Hawks Get: Siakam, Wood (SnT)
Mavs Get: Capela, Mills
Raptors Get: Hunter, THJ, Sac 2024 FRP (via Hawks), Mavs 2025 FRP

I'm not sure how much Wood is gonna get, but a starting lineup of: Trae, DJM, Siakam, Wood, OO would be a fun one. Could also decide to start JJ and have Wood be the backup 5.

Why for Hawks? Hawks get the best player, a floor-spacing big and open up starting minutes for OO
Why for Mavs? Mavs get their ideal C to fit their roster
Why for Raptors? Schoeder can't shoot so they add shooting and draft capital
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#247 » by jayu70 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:05 pm

hawks_fan25 wrote:This seems pretty fair for all teams to me:

Hawks Get: Siakam, Wood (SnT)
Mavs Get: Capela, Mills
Raptors Get: Hunter, THJ, Sac 2024 FRP (via Hawks), Mavs 2025 FRP

I'm not sure how much Wood is gonna get, but a starting lineup of: Trae, DJM, Siakam, Wood, OO would be a fun one. Could also decide to start JJ and have Wood be the backup 5.

Why for Hawks? Hawks get the best player, a floor-spacing big and open up starting minutes for OO
Why for Mavs? Mavs get their ideal C to fit their roster
Why for Raptors? Schoeder can't shoot so they add shooting and draft capital

Count me out on Wood. From all reports not a tram or locker room guy. He can put up offensive numbers, but does nothing else - wants to do his own thing too often.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#248 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:44 pm

Bold Offseason Trade Ideas for NBA Contenders

Hawks Go All-In for Pascal Siakam

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The Deal: Pascal Siakam for De'Andre Hunter, Bogdan Bogdanović, a 2024 lottery-protected first-round pick (via Sacramento) and a 2029 top-five protected first-round pick

The Raptors had been clinging to some shred of hope in the post-Kawhi Leonard era with Siakam, O.G. Anunoby and Fred VanVleet. That never led to real contention, and VanVleet signed with the Houston Rockets this offseason. It's time for the Raptors to move on from this era in general.

De'Andre Hunter is four years younger than Siakam and still has at least some upside. He could be an interesting component in a largely positionless lineup with Anunoby (who's still only 26) and Scottie Barnes.

Thirty-year-old Bogdan Bogdanović doesn't fit that timeline, and his contract runs through 2027 and can't be moved till mid-September. But he's potentially good enough to moved again for another asset down the line.

This trade is mostly about the picks for Toronto, though. Getting two first-rounders for Siakam's expiring contract is good value. He'll turn 30 this season and hasn't had an above-average true shooting percentage since 2018-19.

So, why would the Hawks give all this up for Siakam? He's an excellent playmaker for his position (he averaged 5.8 assists last season) and would be no higher than second in Atlanta's offensive pecking order. He might even be third behind both Trae Young and Dejounte Murray.

Siakam struggled with his efficiency over the last few years because Toronto miscast him as a No. 1 scoring option. He's far better suited to play off a star, like he did with Kawhi Leonard in 2018-19. That's what he'd do in Atlanta.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#249 » by jayu70 » Tue Jul 25, 2023 6:51 pm

^Not sure how it's bold when it's been discussed for the past almost 2 months.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#250 » by CP War Hawks » Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:46 pm

BR is so mid overall with coverage and takes.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#251 » by wegotthabeet » Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:11 pm

dms269 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Another proposed trade.

I think I'd rather bank on AJ as an offensive weapon and just develop some 3&D prospects from the 2nd Round of the draft (or G-League).
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Atlanta Hawks Receive: O.G. Anunoby

Toronto Raptors Receive: SF AJ Griffin, F De'Andre Hunter, 2024 first-round pick (via Sacramento Kings), 2027 second-round pick, 2030 second-round pick

If the Hawks can't convince the Raptors to give up Pascal Siakam, getting Anunoby in return is a terrific consolation prize.

Atlanta still needs to improve defensively around Trae Young after ranking just 22nd overall (115.4 rating) last season. Anunoby, 25,led the league in steals (1.9 a game) and received the most first-place All-Defensive team votes (14) of any wing in the NBA last season.

At 6'7" and 232 pounds, Anunoby is long enough to defend guards and strong enough to switch onto most bigs. A starting five of Young, Dejounte Murray, Saddiq Bey, Anunoby and Clint Capela would be formidable on both ends of the ball.

For Toronto, this is protection against losing another star player in free agency, as Anunoby can choose to turn down his final $19.9 million in 2024-25 and become an unrestricted free agent next summer instead.

Griffin, 19, had a strong rookie season in Atlanta, shooting 39.0 percent from three for the year and averaging 13.4 points in his 12 starts. Hunter, 25, averaged 15.4 points and is just starting a four-year, $90 million contract. Unlike Anunoby, there's no danger of him leaving anytime soon.

The Raptors also pick up a first-round pick in 2024 via the Kings (lottery-protected) and a pair of future seconds for their trouble.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#252 » by dms269 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:13 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:
dms269 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Another proposed trade.

I think I'd rather bank on AJ as an offensive weapon and just develop some 3&D prospects from the 2nd Round of the draft (or G-League). Bleacher Report
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You are more than welcome to cite statistics that say otherwise, but by most measures he is slightly above a net average.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#253 » by wegotthabeet » Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:18 pm

dms269 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
dms269 wrote:He is slightly below average as an offensive player, slightly above average as a defensive player snd is likely to opt-out after this season.

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You are more than welcome to cite statistics that say otherwise, but by most measures he is slightly above a net average.


how many guys can guard Jokic & Murray in the same game?
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#254 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:32 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:
dms269 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
:lol:


You are more than welcome to cite statistics that say otherwise, but by most measures he is slightly above a net average.


how many guys can guard Jokic & Murray in the same game?




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That's really impressive... :burger:
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#255 » by wegotthabeet » Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:39 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
dms269 wrote:
You are more than welcome to cite statistics that say otherwise, but by most measures he is slightly above a net average.


how many guys can guard Jokic & Murray in the same game?




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That's really impressive...


name a better wing defender in the NBA. you can't.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#256 » by jayu70 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:39 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
how many guys can guard Jokic & Murray in the same game?




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That's really impressive...


name a better wing defender in the NBA. you can't.

I'd probably take Mikal Bridges and Jaden McDaniels based on contract status and offense.
OG would be seeking a max extension as well as a bigger role on offense. He's a more catch and shoot and transition player. He can barely dribble or play make and not good enough in isolation.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#257 » by wegotthabeet » Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:44 pm

jayu70 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:


Image

That's really impressive...


name a better wing defender in the NBA. you can't.

I'd probably take Mikal Bridges and Jaden McDaniels based on contract status and offense.
OG would be seeking a max extension as well as a bigger role on offense. He's a more catch and shoot and transition player. He can barely dribble or play make and not good enough in isolation.


ok, but that has nothing to do with OG's ability defensively. the Raptor aren't moving him regardless imo. not for ATL can offer.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#258 » by dms269 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:45 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:
dms269 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
:lol:


You are more than welcome to cite statistics that say otherwise, but by most measures he is slightly above a net average.


how many guys can guard Jokic & Murray in the same game?


Can and do well are two different things. Many of the metric systems out there show him as a slightly above average defender.

It is apparent that you value Pascal a ton. The rest of the league does not. If they did, he would have been traded by now. Toronto wants to move him because they don't want to be in a situation where he is demanding 60+ a year for the supermax. Pascal wants to get paid in the end.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#259 » by jayu70 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:51 pm

wegotthabeet wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
name a better wing defender in the NBA. you can't.

I'd probably take Mikal Bridges and Jaden McDaniels based on contract status and offense.
OG would be seeking a max extension as well as a bigger role on offense. He's a more catch and shoot and transition player. He can barely dribble or play make and not good enough in isolation.


ok, but that has nothing to do with OG's ability defensively. the Raptor aren't moving him regardless imo. not for ATL can offer.

As far as I know there has not been any rumored interest in OG from the Hawks.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#260 » by jayu70 » Wed Jul 26, 2023 5:55 pm

dms269 wrote:
wegotthabeet wrote:
dms269 wrote:
You are more than welcome to cite statistics that say otherwise, but by most measures he is slightly above a net average.


how many guys can guard Jokic & Murray in the same game?


Can and do well are two different things. Many of the metric systems out there show him as a slightly above average defender.

It is apparent that you value Pascal a ton. The rest of the league does not. If they did, he would have been traded by now. Toronto wants to move him because they don't want to be in a situation where he is demanding 60+ a year for the supermax. Pascal wants to get paid in the end.

Seems that Toronto is unclear in what direction they want to pursue. They hired an NBA rookie coach with a development background, he's talked about putting the ball in Barnes' hand, OG wants more, seems like Siakam would be the odd man out.
Siakam wants to stay in Toronto and possibly have a shot at a supermax, Toronto doesn't appear willing to offer that if it happens. By all appearances it doesn't seem as if they've offered a standard extension. So no clear direction.

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