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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#281 » by HMFFL » Wed Jan 9, 2019 4:22 pm

No.
His girlfriend only posted an image on Instagram of him getting tattooed and writing "Always a first for everything"
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#282 » by personanongrata » Wed Jan 9, 2019 5:09 pm

HMFFL wrote:No.
His girlfriend only posted an image on Instagram of him getting tattooed and writing "Always a first for everything"
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HMFFL wrote:Trae Young has some ink after getting a tattoo yesterday. It's located on his right arm.

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Well it must be small, I couldn't see any visible tattoos on his arm.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#283 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:04 pm

Hawks rookie Trae Young made his name shooting deep 3s, but playmaking is how he could one day dominate

Atlanta is challenging Young to average 13 assists per game

Crazy highlights have become a regular occurrence for Young, and not just with his long-range bombs. While he made his name launching deep 3s, Young has been getting plenty of attention for his playmaking lately.

The team is challenging him to average 13 assists. First-year head coach Lloyd Pierce believes Young will one day be able to dominate with his passing ability alone.

There will be hiccups along the way, including plenty of turnovers -- Young is averaging four, which is fourth in the league -- but Pierce and the organization see that as just part of the deal with a ball-dominant guard.

"I don't even think [the turnovers are] a rookie thing," Pierce said. "James Harden I think is averaging six turnovers a game. [It's 5.6.] I think it's a usage thing."

So how does Young grow into a playmaker who can take over games with just his passing and average 13 assists a night? It starts with desire. He is more than capable of scoring and knocking down 3s from logos near halfcourt, but Young wants to be, in his words, a true "floor general." He takes pride in his passing ability, which is something he's been developing since he was young, and said it's "just in my DNA" to get his teammates involved.

From there, Young's talent takes over. He has tremendous vision and a keen sense of awareness that translates into him understanding the geometry of the court at all times. As he explained, "I know how the defender is sitting, and how he's positioned, and how I can get the ball to my teammate."

Young is adept at throwing passes with both hands, which allows for much more freedom and creativity. Off the glass, between opponents' legs, behind his back, bounce passes through traffic, Young is willing, and able, to do it all. He cannot, however, precisely explain his best ones, offering only, "I see them before they happen."

But while highlight reel passes are fun, Pierce likes to say he doesn't want Young to get "bored" with making the simple play. An array of other challenges face Young. He'll need to figure out the delicate balance of looking for his own shot while getting others involved. And with that, his shooting itself will need to improve. He's trending in the right direction lately, shooting 50 percent from 3 in his last 10 games, but his efficiency has been an issue in the first half of the season. Plus, as much as the coaching staff downplays the issue, cutting down on his turnovers a bit would help as well.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#286 » by DirtybirdGA » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:00 am

Trae is stepping up on defense, I don't expect him to be the glove but he's finally in the top 5 in steals per game among rookies tied at 5 with Jackson at 0.9
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#287 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:27 pm

Trae Young's Recent Play a Promising Sign for Hawks

Bad news: Trae Young was mostly abysmal for his first two months as an NBA player.

Good news: Trae Young might be figuring things out.

His numbers over the last 11 games: 17.0 PPG, 7.0 APG, 3.7 RPG, 44.4 FG%.

The shooting percentage number is by far the most important. Sunday was the ninth time in these 11 games Young has made at least 40 percent of his shots. He did it 13 times over his first 31 contests.

It's clear Young is learning his capabilities in the NBA game. He got to the line 13 times against the Bucks and has shown an increased understanding of how to slither his way into the paint and bait opponents into contact. Given his continued struggles to hit shots beyond the arc, Young's improvement inside is paramount to him building a well-rounded offensive game.

There is hope the shot will come. The Curry comparisons were always a little heavy-handed, and defenses have begun just letting him fly on the now-more-occasional long-range bombs.

The Hawks still pretty clearly made a mistake in the Young-Luka Doncic trade. But it's over. The organization has to deal with what it has, and Young's recent play is a sign that maybe it'll get a good long-term starting point guard out of this after all.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

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Young leads the Hawks, by far, in field goals attempted, with 569 as of Friday. Kent Bazemore is a distant second, at 401. Young is the point guard, a ball-dominant rookie and focal point of every other team’s scouting report when they face Atlanta.

Young leads the Hawks, by far, in field goals attempted, with 569 as of Friday. Kent Bazemore is a distant second, at 401. Young is the point guard, a ball-dominant rookie and focal point of every other team’s scouting report when they face Atlanta.

It’s an opportunity that rarely comes along for a 20-year-old NBA player. But with the minutes on the floor comes a potential pitfall: avoiding the kind of bad habits and mistakes programmed into muscle memory that will hamper the very development the Hawks want to foster in Young by giving him this time on the court.

Guarding against both physical and mental overload is key, something Pierce saw up close from his time throwing young players into the mix right away in Philadelphia, too.

“It’s hard for any player, any coach, any person, to grow without opportunity, and so it’s important for a guy that we’re heavily invested in to grow,” Pierce said prior to Wednesday night’s game. “So you give him opportunity. Like any player, if you give him too much opportunity, you’re going to put him in a disadvantaged situation if they’re not ready for it.”

And so, Pierce is watching Young’s minutes carefully, keeping him under 30 per game. And he uses Jeremy Lin, his backup, as both another mentor on the court and a safety valve.

“I feel like you grow when you make mistakes,” said veteran PF Vince Carter. “When you’re immediately successful in the first couple months, it’s hard to learn how to outgrow some of the bad habits. Struggles and not seeing all the success you want — that’s when I feel like you grow and you get better at it."
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#289 » by benhillboy » Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:52 pm

DirtybirdGA wrote:Trae is stepping up on defense, I don't expect him to be the glove but he's finally in the top 5 in steals per game among rookies tied at 5 with Jackson at 0.9

I try to study him on defense but opposing teams don’t look at him like a liability anywhere near as much as I’d thought. He’s usually hid on a player “spacing” the floor but those players rarely cut off the ball nor set screens, bailing him out tremendously. His awareness doesn’t get taken advantage of because he communicates pretty well (always pointing early in transition) and keeps a swivel head between his man and ball. He has to keep the rebounds popping around 5: his vision and our runners with the defense unsettled is a highlight waiting to happen. He had a jumpshot block that was the highlight of his season for me. Any defensive play he can make energizes the team exponentially. Most people think Steph’s game is rooted in shooting but it’s all floor game unlocking the shooting.

I wished his first month numbers could be thrown out, they’ll weigh down his advanced sheet until the season’s over. Since then I’d say he’s been a .70 WS48 player. A 116 D Rating is pretty high, yet the same as Kevin who is a solid defender.

Like Pierce, I’ve also come off the ledge on Trae and support him, even more if he can get those turnovers below 3 before the season ends. Johnny being out had us f&@ked all the way up kid.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#291 » by King Ken » Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:52 am

Interesting Trae Young stat spotted in an ESPN article about Steph Curry since 2014-2015

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Post#292 » by High 5 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:38 am

benhillboy wrote:I try to study him on defense but opposing teams don’t look at him like a liability anywhere near as much as I’d thought. He’s usually hid on a player “spacing” the floor but those players rarely cut off the ball nor set screens, bailing him out tremendously. His awareness doesn’t get taken advantage of because he communicates pretty well (always pointing early in transition) and keeps a swivel head between his man and ball. He has to keep the rebounds popping around 5: his vision and our runners with the defense unsettled is a highlight waiting to happen. He had a jumpshot block that was the highlight of his season for me. Any defensive play he can make energizes the team exponentially. Most people think Steph’s game is rooted in shooting but it’s all floor game unlocking the shooting.

I wished his first month numbers could be thrown out, they’ll weigh down his advanced sheet until the season’s over. Since then I’d say he’s been a .70 WS48 player. A 116 D Rating is pretty high, yet the same as Kevin who is a solid defender.

Like Pierce, I’ve also come off the ledge on Trae and support him, even more if he can get those turnovers below 3 before the season ends. Johnny being out had us f&@ked all the way up kid.


He was worst in the league or on pace for worst ever in several stats at one point. It's nice to see him getting away from those extremes. I know he was last in DRPM by a mile when those rankings came out. He's at least moved ahead of a couple of people now (Knox and Sexton). And I remember reading that he was on pace for -2.5 win shares which would have been the 2nd worst season ever. He put the brakes on that and he's now only on pace for about -0.2, but he could also go positive if he continues his recent play. Plus he's a tick away from .400/.300/.800 which is so much nicer to look at.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#293 » by King Ken » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:53 am

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DirtybirdGA wrote:Trae is stepping up on defense, I don't expect him to be the glove but he's finally in the top 5 in steals per game among rookies tied at 5 with Jackson at 0.9

I try to study him on defense but opposing teams don’t look at him like a liability anywhere near as much as I’d thought. He’s usually hid on a player “spacing” the floor but those players rarely cut off the ball nor set screens, bailing him out tremendously. His awareness doesn’t get taken advantage of because he communicates pretty well (always pointing early in transition) and keeps a swivel head between his man and ball. He has to keep the rebounds popping around 5: his vision and our runners with the defense unsettled is a highlight waiting to happen. He had a jumpshot block that was the highlight of his season for me. Any defensive play he can make energizes the team exponentially. Most people think Steph’s game is rooted in shooting but it’s all floor game unlocking the shooting.

I wished his first month numbers could be thrown out, they’ll weigh down his advanced sheet until the season’s over. Since then I’d say he’s been a .70 WS48 player. A 116 D Rating is pretty high, yet the same as Kevin who is a solid defender.

Like Pierce, I’ve also come off the ledge on Trae and support him, even more if he can get those turnovers below 3 before the season ends. Johnny being out had us f&@ked all the way up kid.

Tremendous post. I agree wholeheartedly
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#294 » by King Ken » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:58 am

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Trae Young's Recent Play a Promising Sign for Hawks

Bad news: Trae Young was mostly abysmal for his first two months as an NBA player.

Good news: Trae Young might be figuring things out.

His numbers over the last 11 games: 17.0 PPG, 7.0 APG, 3.7 RPG, 44.4 FG%.

The shooting percentage number is by far the most important. Sunday was the ninth time in these 11 games Young has made at least 40 percent of his shots. He did it 13 times over his first 31 contests.

It's clear Young is learning his capabilities in the NBA game. He got to the line 13 times against the Bucks and has shown an increased understanding of how to slither his way into the paint and bait opponents into contact. Given his continued struggles to hit shots beyond the arc, Young's improvement inside is paramount to him building a well-rounded offensive game.

There is hope the shot will come. The Curry comparisons were always a little heavy-handed, and defenses have begun just letting him fly on the now-more-occasional long-range bombs.

The Hawks still pretty clearly made a mistake in the Young-Luka Doncic trade. But it's over. The organization has to deal with what it has, and Young's recent play is a sign that maybe it'll get a good long-term starting point guard out of this after all.
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I disagree with the last part. Trae position generally doesn't show elite play till 2nd year and dominance till the 3rd year. It's way too early to call the Luka-Trae and DAL 1st trade
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#295 » by benhillboy » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:17 am

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benhillboy wrote:
DirtybirdGA wrote:Trae is stepping up on defense, I don't expect him to be the glove but he's finally in the top 5 in steals per game among rookies tied at 5 with Jackson at 0.9

I try to study him on defense but opposing teams don’t look at him like a liability anywhere near as much as I’d thought. He’s usually hid on a player “spacing” the floor but those players rarely cut off the ball nor set screens, bailing him out tremendously. His awareness doesn’t get taken advantage of because he communicates pretty well (always pointing early in transition) and keeps a swivel head between his man and ball. He has to keep the rebounds popping around 5: his vision and our runners with the defense unsettled is a highlight waiting to happen. He had a jumpshot block that was the highlight of his season for me. Any defensive play he can make energizes the team exponentially. Most people think Steph’s game is rooted in shooting but it’s all floor game unlocking the shooting.

I wished his first month numbers could be thrown out, they’ll weigh down his advanced sheet until the season’s over. Since then I’d say he’s been a .70 WS48 player. A 116 D Rating is pretty high, yet the same as Kevin who is a solid defender.

Like Pierce, I’ve also come off the ledge on Trae and support him, even more if he can get those turnovers below 3 before the season ends. Johnny being out had us f&@ked all the way up kid.

Tremendous post. I agree wholeheartedly

Preciate it sir. Your analysis has opened my eyes to a lot over the years.
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Post#296 » by benhillboy » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:21 am

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benhillboy wrote:I try to study him on defense but opposing teams don’t look at him like a liability anywhere near as much as I’d thought. He’s usually hid on a player “spacing” the floor but those players rarely cut off the ball nor set screens, bailing him out tremendously. His awareness doesn’t get taken advantage of because he communicates pretty well (always pointing early in transition) and keeps a swivel head between his man and ball. He has to keep the rebounds popping around 5: his vision and our runners with the defense unsettled is a highlight waiting to happen. He had a jumpshot block that was the highlight of his season for me. Any defensive play he can make energizes the team exponentially. Most people think Steph’s game is rooted in shooting but it’s all floor game unlocking the shooting.

I wished his first month numbers could be thrown out, they’ll weigh down his advanced sheet until the season’s over. Since then I’d say he’s been a .70 WS48 player. A 116 D Rating is pretty high, yet the same as Kevin who is a solid defender.

Like Pierce, I’ve also come off the ledge on Trae and support him, even more if he can get those turnovers below 3 before the season ends. Johnny being out had us f&@ked all the way up kid.


He was worst in the league or on pace for worst ever in several stats at one point. It's nice to see him getting away from those extremes. I know he was last in DRPM by a mile when those rankings came out. He's at least moved ahead of a couple of people now (Knox and Sexton). And I remember reading that he was on pace for -2.5 win shares which would have been the 2nd worst season ever. He put the brakes on that and he's now only on pace for about -0.2, but he could also go positive if he continues his recent play. Plus he's a tick away from .400/.300/.800 which is so much nicer to look at.

True dat, I can’t stand to see him in the cellar among 400-something players. Knox and Sexton have defensive tools though, they gotta be disgusting on D.
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Post#297 » by King Ken » Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:00 am

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High 5 wrote:
benhillboy wrote:I try to study him on defense but opposing teams don’t look at him like a liability anywhere near as much as I’d thought. He’s usually hid on a player “spacing” the floor but those players rarely cut off the ball nor set screens, bailing him out tremendously. His awareness doesn’t get taken advantage of because he communicates pretty well (always pointing early in transition) and keeps a swivel head between his man and ball. He has to keep the rebounds popping around 5: his vision and our runners with the defense unsettled is a highlight waiting to happen. He had a jumpshot block that was the highlight of his season for me. Any defensive play he can make energizes the team exponentially. Most people think Steph’s game is rooted in shooting but it’s all floor game unlocking the shooting.

I wished his first month numbers could be thrown out, they’ll weigh down his advanced sheet until the season’s over. Since then I’d say he’s been a .70 WS48 player. A 116 D Rating is pretty high, yet the same as Kevin who is a solid defender.

Like Pierce, I’ve also come off the ledge on Trae and support him, even more if he can get those turnovers below 3 before the season ends. Johnny being out had us f&@ked all the way up kid.


He was worst in the league or on pace for worst ever in several stats at one point. It's nice to see him getting away from those extremes. I know he was last in DRPM by a mile when those rankings came out. He's at least moved ahead of a couple of people now (Knox and Sexton). And I remember reading that he was on pace for -2.5 win shares which would have been the 2nd worst season ever. He put the brakes on that and he's now only on pace for about -0.2, but he could also go positive if he continues his recent play. Plus he's a tick away from .400/.300/.800 which is so much nicer to look at.

True dat, I can’t stand to see him in the cellar among 400-something players. Knox and Sexton have defensive tools though, they gotta be disgusting on D.

Sexton is still learning how to play D overall. His man D is solid and he gives tremendous effort. But he looks lost for the most part on d
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#299 » by dms269 » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:01 pm

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Trae Young's Recent Play a Promising Sign for Hawks

Bad news: Trae Young was mostly abysmal for his first two months as an NBA player.

Good news: Trae Young might be figuring things out.

His numbers over the last 11 games: 17.0 PPG, 7.0 APG, 3.7 RPG, 44.4 FG%.

The shooting percentage number is by far the most important. Sunday was the ninth time in these 11 games Young has made at least 40 percent of his shots. He did it 13 times over his first 31 contests.

It's clear Young is learning his capabilities in the NBA game. He got to the line 13 times against the Bucks and has shown an increased understanding of how to slither his way into the paint and bait opponents into contact. Given his continued struggles to hit shots beyond the arc, Young's improvement inside is paramount to him building a well-rounded offensive game.

There is hope the shot will come. The Curry comparisons were always a little heavy-handed, and defenses have begun just letting him fly on the now-more-occasional long-range bombs.

The Hawks still pretty clearly made a mistake in the Young-Luka Doncic trade. But it's over. The organization has to deal with what it has, and Young's recent play is a sign that maybe it'll get a good long-term starting point guard out of this after all.
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I do think there is greater overall growth for Trae than there is for Luka. Luka is much more experienced as he has been playing at a higher professional level for longer than Trae has. Hawks are playing the long-haul there. It will be interesting to look ahead in 5 years and see how much each has grown.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#300 » by personanongrata » Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:24 am

Finally, an efficient game. 30 pts on 11/15. That is I ask for .

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