Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

[Geaux_Hawks]

i was asking who is a better wing defender than OG, not Siakam.

You were still provided with a few.

yeah but none of them are actually better wing defenders.

I mean there's visual data provided that shows at least 2 are better defenders by a large margin and another is on par with OG.

Thybulle alone has been named to 2 ALL defense teams vs OG's 1.

This is why the comment regarding Rap fans being the most egregious fan base to overrate and overvalue is always made. It's not whether or not other fan bases do it too. It's a matter that Toronto fans take it a step further than anyone else by a wide margin. Even Boston/La fans aren't as bad as you all.

[wegotthabeet]

You were still provided with a few.

yeah but none of them are actually better wing defenders.

I mean there's visual data provided that shows at least 2 are better defenders by a large margin and another is on par with OG.

Thybulle alone has been named to 2 ALL defense teams vs OG's 1.

This is why the comment regarding Rap fans being the most egregious fan base to overrate and overvalue is always made. It's not whether or not other fan bases do it too. It's a matter that Toronto fans take it a step further than anyone else by a wide margin. Even Boston/La fans aren't as bad as you all.

Thybulle is nearly unplayable. If you can’t construct an argument without making vast generalizations about a particular fan base then you haven’t done anything except tap into your own ignorance.

[Geaux_Hawks]

yeah but none of them are actually better wing defenders.

I mean there's visual data provided that shows at least 2 are better defenders by a large margin and another is on par with OG.

Thybulle alone has been named to 2 ALL defense teams vs OG's 1.

This is why the comment regarding Rap fans being the most egregious fan base to overrate and overvalue is always made. It's not whether or not other fan bases do it too. It's a matter that Toronto fans take it a step further than anyone else by a wide margin. Even Boston/La fans aren't as bad as you all.

Thybulle is nearly unplayable. If you can’t construct an argument without making vast generalizations about a particular fan base then you haven’t done anything except tap into your own ignorance.

TWO!! count it again..TWO! All defense teams suggests he's playable. Dudes defense is so good, he made 2 defensive teams in a 4 year span. He's so unplayable, but he still makes 2 All defense teams. Literally just let that sink in. For 3/33, that's insane value knowing you have an All defense caliber player. I'll take that over a max contract OG any day of the week.

FTR, a poster provided you with visual data showing you players with better than or equal to defense than OG and you're still saying they aren't on OG's level means the argument is constructed well. You're just being delusional. Enjoy yourself sir.

[Jamaaliver]

I do really like Zubac for us...and who doesn't want RoCo on their squad.

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[jayu70]

I do really like Zubac for us...and who doesn't want RoCo on their squad.

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I've posted Capela for Zubac and Roco awhile back.
Sending Hunter to Sixers is just the Hawks paying the freight for LAC to get Harden...that's a pass.

[Jamaaliver]

The Trade: Dallas Mavericks acquire Clint Capela from the Atlanta Hawks for Tim Hardaway Jr., Josh Green and a 2025 second-round pick (via TOR).

Dallas has Richaun Holmes, JaVale McGee (for now) and Dereck Lively II as in-house center options. So, your mileage may vary on whether it ought to surrender some of its younger wing and guard pieces for another 5. But Marc Stein reported on Saturday Sportsworld with Marc Stein that the Mavericks would like to do exactly that, which means we can consider their options.

Deandre Ayton would be the costliest difference-making target to pursue, but Capela would come cheaper. He'd certainly be an upgrade on Holmes defensively, and Lively may not be ready to contribute to a winner—as is the case with virtually every rookie.

To bring aboard their sought-after shot-blocking, board-hoarding center, the Mavericks have to cough up a package headlined by Josh Green, a promising connective wing who can cut, pass on the move, defend and hit open threes. If he can replicate the 40.2 percent he shot from distance last year, Green, still just 22, could be a huge get for the Hawks.

There are permutations of this deal that include the Toronto Raptors and Pascal Siakam,per Stein, but this is a fairly simple construction. If Atlanta truly believes Onyeka Okongwu is ready to take over starting duties, moving Capela and the $43 million he's owed through 2024-25 for more shooting and cost-controlled guard depth is a good way to balance the roster and tidy up the books.

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[graymule]

If we do this deal then I want Dereck Lively 2nd coming to Atlanta. They get a center. Hawks get a center.

[Jamaaliver]

:D
If we do this deal then I want Dereck Lively 2nd coming to Atlanta. They get a center. Hawks get a center.

Heck, yeah!!!!

[Jamaaliver]

Hawks Find Their Star Wing



Atlanta Hawks receive: Paul George

Los Angeles Clippers receive: De'Andre Hunter, Bogdan Bogdanović, Kobe Bufkin and 2024 first-round pick (lottery protected, via SAC)

Since their surprise flight to the 2021 Eastern Conference Finals, the Hawks have basically been grounded the past two seasons. They've won just two more games than they've lost over this stretch while posting a 3-8 mark in a pair of first-round losses.

Their latest flight plan involved the February hiring of head coach Quin Snyder and a summer extension of Dejounte Murray. Those should help cement a foundation for the franchise, but they still feel a star short of soaring up the standings.

Targeting George makes a ton of sense. They need a lockdown defender on the perimeter, another high-level scoring threat and someone who can thrive both on and off the ball. When healthy, he fits that description about as well as anyone, serving as basically the ideal outcome for what the Hawks hoped they were getting in Hunter, the No. 4 pick in 2019.

Plus, George could realistically become available at some point between now and February—if he isn't already. The Clippers might be tired of clinging to fading hopes that one day George and Kawhi Leonard will both be healthy when it matters most. They also could have trouble stomaching the idea of re-signing both next summer, assuming they ditch their 2024-25 player options.

Given George's age, injury issues and contract uncertainty, he shouldn't cost a fortune either. The Clippers aren't giving him away here, but this is far from top-dollar for an eight-time All-Star who perpetually ranks among the planet's top two-way talents.

As for L.A., if it doesn't plan on paying George, then this return offers value both today (to help Leonard) and tomorrow (when Leonard is potentially gone).

Hunter is a three-and-D forward who seemingly adds to his offensive arsenal every season. Bogdanović is a slippery scorer with an outside shot and a penchant for passing. Bufkin, this summer's No. 15 pick, is a combo guard who can pull up, pass and finish at the basket. Throw in a lottery-protected first, and the Clippers are coming away with a good amount of assets.

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[jayu70]

Hawks Find Their Star Wing



Atlanta Hawks receive: Paul George

Los Angeles Clippers receive: De'Andre Hunter, Bogdan Bogdanović, Kobe Bufkin and 2024 first-round pick (lottery protected, via SAC)

Since their surprise flight to the 2021 Eastern Conference Finals, the Hawks have basically been grounded the past two seasons. They've won just two more games than they've lost over this stretch while posting a 3-8 mark in a pair of first-round losses.

Their latest flight plan involved the February hiring of head coach Quin Snyder and a summer extension of Dejounte Murray. Those should help cement a foundation for the franchise, but they still feel a star short of soaring up the standings.

Targeting George makes a ton of sense. They need a lockdown defender on the perimeter, another high-level scoring threat and someone who can thrive both on and off the ball. When healthy, he fits that description about as well as anyone, serving as basically the ideal outcome for what the Hawks hoped they were getting in Hunter, the No. 4 pick in 2019.

Plus, George could realistically become available at some point between now and February—if he isn't already. The Clippers might be tired of clinging to fading hopes that one day George and Kawhi Leonard will both be healthy when it matters most. They also could have trouble stomaching the idea of re-signing both next summer, assuming they ditch their 2024-25 player options.

Given George's age, injury issues and contract uncertainty, he shouldn't cost a fortune either. The Clippers aren't giving him away here, but this is far from top-dollar for an eight-time All-Star who perpetually ranks among the planet's top two-way talents.

As for L.A., if it doesn't plan on paying George, then this return offers value both today (to help Leonard) and tomorrow (when Leonard is potentially gone).

Hunter is a three-and-D forward who seemingly adds to his offensive arsenal every season. Bogdanović is a slippery scorer with an outside shot and a penchant for passing. Bufkin, this summer's No. 15 pick, is a combo guard who can pull up, pass and finish at the basket. Throw in a lottery-protected first, and the Clippers are coming away with a good amount of assets.

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We did this one already .
My offer still stands from June 29 (minus Gay)

Capela, Hunter and Gay (and if you ask nicely I'd be willing to include the SAC 2024 1st) for PG and Zubac....Final offer!
Hawks remain under the tax!
LAC also reduces their Luxury Tax bill further after the Gordon release.
Start OO, Zu the backup.

PG has missed the last 2 years of playoffs though. Then what about his contract extension?

[D21]

BR has made a "1 New Trade Idea for Every NBA Team Before 2023-24 Season" article...
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Curious to know what you think about that

It starts with Hawks:
Trade idea: De'Andre Hunter, 2024 first-round pick (lottery-protected, via SAC) and 2029 first-round pick to the Toronto Raptors for O.G. Anunoby

and then...
Chicago Bulls
Trade idea: Zach LaVine and 2027 first-round pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Trae Young

NOTE: there's another trade for Anunoby alone, which means they view the Hawks package as same value than:
Indiana Pacers
Trade idea: Buddy Hield, 2025 first-round pick (top-three protected) and 2027 first-round pick to the Toronto Raptors for O.G. Anunoby

NOTE 2: I find this one funny as I don't see MIA loosing depth and picks for a guy that can miss the playoffs
Miami Heat
Trade idea: Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson, 2027 first-round pick, 2029 first-round pick and 2028 first-round pick swap to the Los Angeles Clippers for Paul George

[Jamaaliver]

BR has made a "1 New Trade Idea for Every NBA Team Before 2023-24 Season" article...
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Curious to know what you think about:


Trade idea: De'Andre Hunter, 2024 first-round pick (lottery-protected, via SAC) and 2029 first-round pick to the Toronto Raptors for O.G. Anunoby

Feels like a great deal for us based on DeAndre's current trade value.

I suspect TOR would hold out for more value...especially since that 2024 Sacramento pick is conditional.

[jayu70]

BR has made a "1 New Trade Idea for Every NBA Team Before 2023-24 Season" article...
Link

Curious to know what you think about:


Trade idea: De'Andre Hunter, 2024 first-round pick (lottery-protected, via SAC) and 2029 first-round pick to the Toronto Raptors for O.G. Anunoby

Feels like a great deal for us based on DeAndre's current trade value.

I suspect TOR would hold out for more value...especially since that 2024 Sacramento pick is conditional.

Question: OG has the ability to opt out and become an UFA, how much are you willing to pay for his new contract? He's looking for a rumored max (30% of cap) or close to max deal as well as per [Fischer] is seeking a bigger role on offense and wants to handle the ball more (which he isn't). He's eligible for an early DJ style extension, 140% of current salary.

[D21]

Question: OG has the ability to opt out and become an UFA, how much are you willing to pay for his new contract? He's looking for a rumored max (30% of cap) or close to max deal as well as per [Fischer] is seeking a bigger role on offense and wants to handle the ball more (which he isn't). He's eligible for an early DJ style extension, 140% of current salary.

With this point, the question will turn into "is this team better with Hunter at his contract or with less picks and Anunoby for far more than Hunter and asking the ball more...

[graymule]

HAWKS HAVE NO DESIRE TO TRADE THEIR DRAFT PICKS!!
THIS BEING TRUE, THIS KILLS THIS!!

[Jamaaliver]

...seeing that Marcus Smart, Malcolm Brogdon and Jrue Holiday are all set to be traded this summer at a discount makes me wonder where we'd be if we hadn't sold the farm for DeJounte last summer.

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[tbhawksfan1]

...seeing that Marcus Smart, Malcolm Brogdon and Jrue Holiday are all set to be traded this summer at a discount makes me wonder where we'd be if we hadn't sold the farm for DeJounte last summer.

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I take Murray over all of those guys and we didn't sell the farm. A couple 20 something picks and a pick trade that won't hurt too much or won't happen isn't selling the farm. His signing that nice extension makes your thought even less interesting

Smart can't play O and Brog and Jrue are not long term players at this point and at their present level

[Jamaaliver]

I take Murray over all of those guys and we didn't sell the farm.

His signing that nice extension makes your thought even less interesting

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I appreciate that every one of you guys feels comfortable enough to push back and challenge me in general conversations regarding the team and the NBA at Large.



Even when you're completely and totally wrong.

[jayu70]

Wolves beat up the Mavs on the boards in their first preseason game:
Lively, Powell, Kleber, Holmes, Williams = 10 rebounds

Gobert, Towns, Reid, Garza, McDaniels = 30 rebounds

Wondering if they are rethinking their low ball offer for Clint

[Jamaaliver]

NBA Trades That Make Too Much Sense



Raptors Turn Back the Timeline

Atlanta Hawks Receive: Pascal Siakam and Jake LaRavia

Atlanta Hawks Lose: De'Andre Hunter, Bogdan Bogdanović and a 2029 first-round pick

The Hawks have long been rumored to be interested in Siakam, and this trade lands him there as part of a star trio that includes Trae Young and Dejounte Murray.

Giving up two rotation wings and a first-round pick may seem like a hefty price tag for Siakam, but Atlanta may be in a unique position to do so. Saddiq Bey, Jalen Johnson and AJ Griffin are all waiting in the (ahem) wings.

A consolidation trade makes sense when Atlanta is getting a player who has averaged more than 20 points per game in each of his last four seasons.


Toronto Raptors Receive: De'Andre Hunter, Luke Kennard, Brandon Clarke, a 2027 first-round pick from Memphis, a 2029 first-round pick from Memphis and a 2029 first-round pick from Atlanta

Toronto Raptors Lose: Pascal Siakam and O.G. Anunoby

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The Raptors can continue to tread water with a team that went 41-41 last season and lost Fred VanVleet this summer. Conversely, they could get what they can for Pascal Siakam and O.G. Anunoby right now, try to bottom out and emerge with more talent as Scottie Barnes nears his prime in a few years.

This deal sends three first-round picks to Toronto—the notion that they were ever going to get more than three for O.G. Anunoby always felt absurd—which is ultimately what matters most. De'Andre Hunter could be an interesting multipositional defender alongside Barnes, but he, Kennard and Clarke could all be gone by the time these picks start to convey.

Memphis Grizzlies Receive: Bogdan Bogdanović and O.G. Anunoby

Memphis Grizzlies Lose: Luke Kennard, Brandon Clarke, Jake LaRavia and a 2027 first-round pick and a 2029 first-round pick

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Anunoby has been attached to the Grizzlies in rumors for several months.The idea of a defense with him, Marcus Smart and Jaren Jackson Jr. would be terrifying for opposing offenses.

Losing the picks and Luke Kennard's outside shooting hurts, but Bogdan Bogdanović can replace some of the latter while adding some playmaking. After finishing second in the West last season, Memphis can justify a win-now move like this.

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