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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
9
9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
35
34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#3041 » by King Ken » Wed May 1, 2019 3:55 am

Spud2nique wrote:
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Spud2nique wrote:Schlenk type players imo:

Rui Hachimura
DeAndre Hunter
Jarrett Culver
Darius Garland
NAW
Keldon Johnson
PJ Washington
Grant Williams
Eric Paschall
Kyle Guy

I love some of these guys. Not some others. Cam Reddish is clearly a Travis guy. He is as much a no brainer as Trae and Kevin.




I totally agree that he’s a fit with us and I want him as well..perfect fit. But I’m not sure it’s the prototypical “Schlenk type”if you will.

TS is all about PDS to an extreme degree. Like Morey like Moreyball. Once we took Trae, I predicted the Hawks will take Kevin and Omari by pick 13. I was 100% right.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#3042 » by Night Traen » Wed May 1, 2019 4:11 am

Lets all stand by as 4 regular posters on a fake website with only 8 regular posters, in a fake universe (where there are supposedly 1.5 million Hawks fans or more), all decide to agree with each other about Cam Reddish....AGAIN...as if they haven't done it 200 times before.
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Post#3043 » by Indyhawks26 » Wed May 1, 2019 4:11 am

Good points Sup on Bol. Someone may have already brought this up but if you add Clarke could he be out Draymond Green? I think Huerter is doing a decent job is Hunter , Reddish really that much better than the other off guards? I think Hunter will be a good role player Reddish well you know my opinion on him. He shows flashes but I have to see more than that to draft him. Clarke could be a starter pairing with Collins could give teams alot to handle. Would the Hawks draft Clarke 5th? I guess it depends on how much they really like him. Is there a thing such as overdrafting? If a team wants a player and is afraid to lose him then makes sense to draft him higher.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#3044 » by Spud2nique » Wed May 1, 2019 4:21 am

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King Ken wrote:I love some of these guys. Not some others. Cam Reddish is clearly a Travis guy. He is as much a no brainer as Trae and Kevin.




I totally agree that he’s a fit with us and I want him as well..perfect fit. But I’m not sure it’s the prototypical “Schlenk type”if you will.

TS is all about PDS to an extreme degree. Like Morey like Moreyball. Once we took Trae, I predicted the Hawks will take Kevin and Omari by pick 13. I was 100% right.



Disagree. Schlenk isn’t about numbers but rather grit and grind. Not saying he’s not about numbers but no where near Morey ball. That guy has been keeping stats since 1927.
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Post#3045 » by King Ken » Wed May 1, 2019 4:32 am

Indyhawks26 wrote:Good points Sup on Bol. Someone may have already brought this up but if you add Clarke could he be out Draymond Green? I think Huerter is doing a decent job is Hunter , Reddish really that much better than the other off guards? I think Hunter will be a good role player Reddish well you know my opinion on him. He shows flashes but I have to see more than that to draft him. Clarke could be a starter pairing with Collins could give teams alot to handle. Would the Hawks draft Clarke 5th? I guess it depends on how much they really like him. Is there a thing such as overdrafting? If a team wants a player and is afraid to lose him then makes sense to draft him higher.

215 at 23 years old with a maxed out frame. I don't see it D. Green. He has Shawn Marion athleticism with DMC game out of college. I don't know how you want to make this work but that's what he is. I think he can be a 3rd option on a championship team when he peaks which is why he's tied for 4th on my big board.

I am not sure what you meant by Huerter-Hunter?

No, Reddish is not that much better. He is that much better at being a better fit in our system but he's not really better than Hunter, Little, Louis King, Culver, Cameron Johnson, Talen Horton-Tucker, and Keldon Johnson. They are all around the same range in terms of overall similar to that area Kevin H, Okogie, Donte DiVincenzo, Jerome Robinson and those guys had last year. The issue is, how will they translate and the biggest for us, how do they fit in our system.

Guys like Louis King, Cam Johnson, K. Johnson, Culver, struggle due to size, shooting, or athleticism. The guys who have 2 out of 3 tend to do the best and if they have 3 out of 3, they aren't in the category. Those who have 1 out of 3, usually are stuck to the bench or struggle a lot as rookies.

That leaves THT, Hunter, Little and Reddish as the guys who have the best shot to translate as rookies. They have 2 out of 3. BBIQ does matter but not as much as rookies. More so for winning basketball and contending. Then we look at what we are. We love to pass, dribble, and shoot. Everyone we drafted last year was PDS types. In this list, only Hunter and Reddish are PDS types. Then we look at our style, how we play, fit, range, and potential. While Hunter is a PDS type, he is barely one. He isn't really a volume shooter. He prefers to score within the paint or just be a team player. While Cam plays our style of, chuck that ****! If you can hit it from 30ft, heck yeah! Floor spacing GRAVITY. Then he has great defensive potential, has age on his side and fits our pace. He is the only perfect fit in this draft for us. That includes Zion as well but don't get me wrong, ZION>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you get the rest.

I am as sold on Clarke at PF as I am with DMC. It could work but it won't look pretty. Too small. Much too small.

I would be okay with taking Clarke at #5. He fits our system, could develop into a SF, the best athletic at SF in this class with winning BBIQ, a defensive savant like Marion, just a special prospect. He can give you a Siakam like return in our system. But he's a SF to me long term even if he is not right now. I have Clarke highly rated on my board. His potential at SF is through the roof.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#3046 » by King Ken » Wed May 1, 2019 4:34 am

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Spud2nique wrote:


I totally agree that he’s a fit with us and I want him as well..perfect fit. But I’m not sure it’s the prototypical “Schlenk type”if you will.

TS is all about PDS to an extreme degree. Like Morey like Moreyball. Once we took Trae, I predicted the Hawks will take Kevin and Omari by pick 13. I was 100% right.



Disagree. Schlenk isn’t about numbers but rather grit and grind. Not saying he’s not about numbers but no where near Morey ball. That guy has been keeping stats since 1927.

Schlenk is not about no grit and grind. Free flow Basketball is what he is about. All of the grinders outside of VC on our team came from the Bud drafts. No move Travis has made that makes you think we like grinders. Collins-Dorsey? No Len-Lin? No, Trae-Kev-Omari? Heck no!
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#3047 » by Jamaaliver » Wed May 1, 2019 11:10 am

Night Traen wrote:Lets all stand by as 4 regular posters on a fake website with only 8 regular posters, in a fake universe (where there are supposedly 1.5 million Hawks fans or more), all decide to agree with each other about Cam Reddish....AGAIN...as if they haven't done it 200 times before.



How can a real website be fake?

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Post#3048 » by Jamaaliver » Wed May 1, 2019 12:07 pm

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Post#3050 » by King Ken » Wed May 1, 2019 12:36 pm

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This is and isn't true. This draft is deeper in terms of potential but worse in terms of NBA readiness and the top 10 is much weaker compared to last year.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#3051 » by Spud2nique » Wed May 1, 2019 2:27 pm

King Ken wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
King Ken wrote:TS is all about PDS to an extreme degree. Like Morey like Moreyball. Once we took Trae, I predicted the Hawks will take Kevin and Omari by pick 13. I was 100% right.



Disagree. Schlenk isn’t about numbers but rather grit and grind. Not saying he’s not about numbers but no where near Morey ball. That guy has been keeping stats since 1927.

Schlenk is not about no grit and grind. Free flow Basketball is what he is about. All of the grinders outside of VC on our team came from the Bud drafts. No move Travis has made that makes you think we like grinders. Collins-Dorsey? No Len-Lin? No, Trae-Kev-Omari? Heck no!



Wait a second. Trae and Huerter are indeed grinders. We have to define “grinders” I guess but I’m seeing a couple guys that love basketball and grind to the bone. I just don’t think Schlenk is all about numbers and advanced stats as much as people may think or as much as a Morey or David Griffin.
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Post#3052 » by Spud2nique » Wed May 1, 2019 2:39 pm

Kyle Koster copies off my paper and says we r gonna go with a couple former Warrior’s rugrats. Specifically Winston and Manute.

https://thebiglead.com/2019/05/01/nba-mock-draft-duke-stars-and-a-big-surprise-in-the-top-five/
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Post#3053 » by King Ken » Wed May 1, 2019 3:38 pm

Spud2nique wrote:Kyle Koster copies off my paper and says we r gonna go with a couple former Warrior’s rugrats. Specifically Winston and Manute.

https://thebiglead.com/2019/05/01/nba-mock-draft-duke-stars-and-a-big-surprise-in-the-top-five/

Bol and Garland for the Hawks :o
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#3054 » by King Ken » Wed May 1, 2019 3:40 pm

Spud2nique wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:

Disagree. Schlenk isn’t about numbers but rather grit and grind. Not saying he’s not about numbers but no where near Morey ball. That guy has been keeping stats since 1927.

Schlenk is not about no grit and grind. Free flow Basketball is what he is about. All of the grinders outside of VC on our team came from the Bud drafts. No move Travis has made that makes you think we like grinders. Collins-Dorsey? No Len-Lin? No, Trae-Kev-Omari? Heck no!



Wait a second. Trae and Huerter are indeed grinders. We have to define “grinders” I guess but I’m seeing a couple guys that love basketball and grind to the bone. I just don’t think Schlenk is all about numbers and advanced stats as much as people may think or as much as a Morey or David Griffin.

You mean love playing Basketball? Half of these guys in this class love the game. Cam, Nas, Jarrett, Brandon, damn near all of the wings outside of KPJ and a couple of others.

That's not what I think about when you say grinders.

Morey isn't all about analytics. He is about system fit as well. Analytics dont even matter as much till you are in the NBA anyway.

Travis is all about style of player, court geometry and playing both ends of the court. He ideally wants to build like the Warriors
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#3055 » by Spud2nique » Wed May 1, 2019 4:44 pm

King Ken wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
King Ken wrote:Schlenk is not about no grit and grind. Free flow Basketball is what he is about. All of the grinders outside of VC on our team came from the Bud drafts. No move Travis has made that makes you think we like grinders. Collins-Dorsey? No Len-Lin? No, Trae-Kev-Omari? Heck no!



Wait a second. Trae and Huerter are indeed grinders. We have to define “grinders” I guess but I’m seeing a couple guys that love basketball and grind to the bone. I just don’t think Schlenk is all about numbers and advanced stats as much as people may think or as much as a Morey or David Griffin.

You mean love playing Basketball? Half of these guys in this class love the game. Cam, Nas, Jarrett, Brandon, damn near all of the wings outside of KPJ and a couple of others.

That's not what I think about when you say grinders.

Morey isn't all about analytics. He is about system fit as well. Analytics dont even matter as much till you are in the NBA anyway.

Travis is all about style of player, court geometry and playing both ends of the court. He ideally wants to build like the Warriors


Your last paragraph is what I have been trying to convey. He’s not about numbers but style of play and to me, if your style of play indicates your a guy that plays 80+ games balls out with heart, then Travis is gonna like you more than the 60 game injury plagued uber talented guy.

Grit and grind.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#3056 » by jayu70 » Wed May 1, 2019 4:47 pm

King Ken wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:Kyle Koster copies off my paper and says we r gonna go with a couple former Warrior’s rugrats. Specifically Winston and Manute.

https://thebiglead.com/2019/05/01/nba-mock-draft-duke-stars-and-a-big-surprise-in-the-top-five/

Bol and Garland for the Hawks :o

Yeah, I don't see Atlanta having 2 picks and not take at least 1 wing player.
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Post#3057 » by Spud2nique » Wed May 1, 2019 4:48 pm

jayu70 wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:Kyle Koster copies off my paper and says we r gonna go with a couple former Warrior’s rugrats. Specifically Winston and Manute.

https://thebiglead.com/2019/05/01/nba-mock-draft-duke-stars-and-a-big-surprise-in-the-top-five/

Bol and Garland for the Hawks :o

Yeah, I don't see Atlanta having 2 picks and not take at least 1 wing player.


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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#3058 » by EazyRoc » Wed May 1, 2019 10:23 pm

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EazyRoc wrote:These mocks are starting to look like I’m making them :lol: Hayes, Langford, & Hunter. Those are my favorite players at our projected draft spots.


:lol: they totally are...

Who r u????? :lol:

I know you’ve been on Langford for sure as well as the other couple guys.

I’m just going to start calling myself the guru and referring to myself in 3rd person
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#3059 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Wed May 1, 2019 10:25 pm

On the other hand, if you view most of the wing players essentially interchangable at the same tier, there's less reason to draft one with one of your top 2 picks when you have 3 high 2nds (, and fwiw, Schlenk has hinted strongly that he's ready to swing a deal to turn those into a late first).

It's similar to the talk among us Cowboys fans these last few days.... everyone thought we'd draft a S with one of our first two picks b/c that was considered both a need and a position that this NFL draft had a deep pool of... but the thought process was, instead, to draft at a position where there was few impact players at the top.... we didn't draft a S until the 6th round.

Not saying it's the way ATL will do it, but just that there's a very legit line of reasoning for that approach.
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Post#3060 » by _s_t_u_r_t_ » Wed May 1, 2019 10:49 pm

Hmmmm.... you mean there's MONEY in generating NBA mock drafts?... enough to run ads to drive traffic?.... hmmmmmmm...

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