The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development

raleigh · Post #341 » by **raleigh** » Sun Feb 3, 2019 2:54 pm

http://bkref.com/tiny/H3upD

^^^Thought you all might like these rookie season statistical comparisons for Trae. The advanced and per 100 possessions sections are the most helpful.

fuzzy1 · Post #342 » by **fuzzy1** » Sun Feb 3, 2019 4:40 pm

HMFFL wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:

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Many Hawk fans that I know continue to say how we missed out since we traded Luka. Young is playing so well.
I hope the Atlanta fans that I know come around and support Young. Maybe they should pay closer attention to the box scores or actually watch a game.

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Agreed, we got our superstar.

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Buzzard · Post #343 » by **Buzzard** » Sun Feb 3, 2019 5:54 pm

If he has not already, Trae is about to shut the rest of the doubters up. As many have already said, he would be ROY in quite a few other years. Just as important as his stats, Trae passes the eye test with flying colors on a NBA court. He is only going to get better.

Trae and Collins are a hellish duo. Huerter is going to get better with a little muscle added in the coming years. We are finally drafting players who have the complete package... talent, skill, bbiq, and physical abilities. Maybe a move before the dead line and one more draft peeps. If we end up with the Dallas pick, the buzz around this Hawks draft will be like nothing we have ever seen.

peoriabird · Post #344 » by **peoriabird** » Sun Feb 3, 2019 8:39 pm

Buzzard wrote:If he has not already, Trae is about to shut the rest of the doubters up. As many have already said, he would be ROY in quite a few other years. Just as important as his stats, Trae passes the eye test with flying colors on a NBA court. He is only going to get better.

Trae and Collins are a hellish duo. Huerter is going to get better with a little muscle added in the coming years. We are finally drafting players who have the complete package... talent, skill, bbiq, and physical abilities. Maybe a move before the dead line and one more draft peeps. If we end up with the Dallas pick, the buzz around this Hawks draft will be like nothing we have ever seen.

And the other thing that impresses me the most is his non stop motor. Trae does not take plays off on offense! Even in the 4th quarter of a back to back during a long road trip. Incredible!

Ice Trae · Post #345 » by **Ice Trae** » Sun Feb 3, 2019 11:51 pm

Highest ceiling in the 2018 draft class imo.

fuzzy1 · Post #346 » by **fuzzy1** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 6:01 am

I'm happy to see the kid balling. I remember watching that preseason game against the Spurs where he hit the game winner, and I was just thinking, "man, I don't remember seeing a Hawk do this." He just delivered again and again down the stretch as a rook.

Now he's done it against the Cavs, Suns, Mavs, Thunder... excited where this goes.

The KnicksFix · Post #347 » by **The KnicksFix** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 6:15 am

honestly, i dont understand why trae does not get as much hype as luca.. i mean even if he doesnt get as much, at least SOME... trae is going to easily be the top two or three pg's in the east soon and its not even close

Post #348 » by **Atlanta Hawk Fan** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 4:08 pm

The KnicksFix wrote:honestly, i dont understand why trae does not get as much hype as luca.. i mean even if he doesnt get as much, at least SOME... trae is going to easily be the top two or three pg's in the east soon and its not even close

(1) All things being equal, Luka was setup to be a bigger splash with his international background (think Yao Ming) and his unprecedented Euro success (both individual and team success) having a lot more eyes on him coming into the year.

(2) Luke started the year much stronger and got the hype train going with a lot of momentum so there isn't much chance of it derailing.

kg01 · Post #349 » by **kg01** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 4:13 pm

Atlanta Hawk Fan wrote:
The KnicksFix wrote:honestly, i dont understand why trae does not get as much hype as luca.. i mean even if he doesnt get as much, at least SOME... trae is going to easily be the top two or three pg's in the east soon and its not even close

(1) All things being equal, Luka was setup to be a bigger splash with his international background (think Yao Ming) and his unprecedented Euro success (both individual and team success) having a lot more eyes on him coming into the year.

(2) Luke started the year much stronger and got the hype train going with a lot of momentum so there isn't much chance of it derailing.

Agree on these 2 points. I'll also add that Young's style of play at OK turned a lot of folks off. Add to it the love affair BSPN had with that Sooners team. I mean, they were on air all the time it was nauseating. So a lot of folks (including "journalists") came to dislike him and probably don't even know why.

Fast-forward to now and they're finding it hard to give him credit because, as you alluded to in the other thread, doing so means they have to admit being wrong to hate him in the first place.

A very existential conundrum.

Post #350 » by **Atlanta Hawk Fan** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 4:22 pm

kg01 wrote:
Atlanta Hawk Fan wrote:
The KnicksFix wrote:honestly, i dont understand why trae does not get as much hype as luca.. i mean even if he doesnt get as much, at least SOME... trae is going to easily be the top two or three pg's in the east soon and its not even close

(1) All things being equal, Luka was setup to be a bigger splash with his international background (think Yao Ming) and his unprecedented Euro success (both individual and team success) having a lot more eyes on him coming into the year.

(2) Luke started the year much stronger and got the hype train going with a lot of momentum so there isn't much chance of it derailing.

Agree on these 2 points. I'll also add that Young's style of play at OK turned a lot of folks off. Add to it the love affair BSPN had with that Sooners team. I mean, they were on air all the time it was nauseating. So a lot of folks (including "journalists") came to dislike him and probably don't even know why.

Fast-forward to now and they're finding it hard to give him credit because, as you alluded to in the other thread, doing so means they have to admit being wrong to hate him in the first place.

A very existential conundrum.

I think he is getting some real notice and positive press lately. Just not 100% positive as he is still only up to 41.1% from the floor and 30.6% from 3pt range along with the high turnovers and weak sauce D. So people looking at a total season are likely still not impressed. But his passing has been top notch all season and now the shooting is coming back to form and he is killing it on offense. The turnovers and defense are just areas where we hope to see effort and incremental improvement.

kg01 · Post #351 » by **kg01** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 4:37 pm

Atlanta Hawk Fan wrote:
kg01 wrote:
Atlanta Hawk Fan wrote:
(1) All things being equal, Luka was setup to be a bigger splash with his international background (think Yao Ming) and his unprecedented Euro success (both individual and team success) having a lot more eyes on him coming into the year.

(2) Luke started the year much stronger and got the hype train going with a lot of momentum so there isn't much chance of it derailing.

Agree on these 2 points. I'll also add that Young's style of play at OK turned a lot of folks off. Add to it the love affair BSPN had with that Sooners team. I mean, they were on air all the time it was nauseating. So a lot of folks (including "journalists") came to dislike him and probably don't even know why.

Fast-forward to now and they're finding it hard to give him credit because, as you alluded to in the other thread, doing so means they have to admit being wrong to hate him in the first place.

A very existential conundrum.

I think he is getting some real notice and positive press lately. Just not 100% positive as he is still only up to 41.1% from the floor and 30.6% from 3pt range along with the high turnovers and weak sauce D. So people looking at a total season are likely still not impressed. But his passing has been top notch all season and now the shooting is coming back to form and he is killing it on offense. The turnovers and defense are just areas where we hope to see effort and incremental improvement.

Yeah. Level-headed observers recognize those are usually areas of needed improvement for any young guard. However, the folks hanging onto their bad opinions of him hang on those areas to support their stance that he was not an NBA-level player. Well, that and the cite his size. "Oh he's had a good stretch but I don't see a guy that size being able to ... blah, blah, blah ...."

It's actually quite fulfilling to watch the mental twister they go through to justify their wrong-ness. This morning Isola/Scalabrine were going through the LAL upcoming schedule. Isola (who's been on the 'he's too small' wagon) commented that they should easily go 2-2 without Lebron, including the Hawks game as a sure win.

He paused and said stte: "Ya know what .... that Hawks game might be difficult. They've started to play a lot better and they should've beat LAL the 1st time ... "

White Mamba (who's also been down on Young) chimed in, "Yeah, they've figured some things out .."

They gon' learn ...

observer1995 · Post #352 » by **observer1995** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 4:44 pm

There'd be a lot more hype for Young if he had started out the season like what he's done for the last 26 games.

But as it is, I'm happy with his progress and if how he's tracked since then continues for the rest of the games he's played this year, it sets himself up very, very well going forward.

peoriabird · Post #353 » by **peoriabird** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 4:51 pm

The Doncic/ Young + a pick trade was rated the 2nd worst trade in the last 10 years by some clown.

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Post #354 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Feb 4, 2019 6:52 pm

The positive buzz is building...slowly.

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Mauro Pedrosa · Post #355 » by **Mauro Pedrosa** » Tue Feb 5, 2019 12:08 am

Huge Trae fan since his college days. I think he'll be an all-star next season

macd-gm · Post #356 » by **macd-gm** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:08 pm

Don't know if anyone noticed but Trae finally topped 30% for the year on threes. Since December 1st he's shooting about 34-35% from 3.

Post #357 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:11 pm

Mauro Pedrosa wrote:Huge Trae fan since his college days. I think he'll be an all-star next season

Noted.

What's the consensus early on Mo Bamba down in ORL?

Are the whispers of Magic being willing to part with him legit?

Is he still viewed by fans as a franchise cornerstone?

Do you have concerns regarding player development in Orlando? I've often wondered if Trae would have been any better or worse developing under other teams' coaching staffs.

Mauro Pedrosa · Post #358 » by **Mauro Pedrosa** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:41 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Mauro Pedrosa wrote:Huge Trae fan since his college days. I think he'll be an all-star next season

Noted.

What's the consensus early on Mo Bamba down in ORL?
He's obviously talented and his 3 pt shot is way better than expected (already better than Isaac's, sadly). A little low energy but it can be fixed

Are the whispers of Magic being willing to part with him legit?
Doubt it. Our management is infatuated with length

Is he still viewed by fans as a franchise cornerstone?
Yes. Most of us want to keep him and trade Vuc. Others want to keep Vuc and trade Bamba, but we're just sick of the front office not doing anything.

Do you have concerns regarding player development in Orlando? I've often wondered if Trae would have been any better or worse developing under other teams' coaching staffs.
Yes, I have a lot of concerns. I wanted Trae in Orlando but our management/coaching never goes all in on rookies or even 2nd/3rd year players. Trae probably would've been a backup for years and traded for garbage like Tobias Harris back in the day

Answers in bold

kg01 · Post #359 » by **kg01** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 3:46 pm

Thanks for your responses. I'm worried for ORL in the player devel department. I expected Isaac to be much further than where he is. It's good they got Hennigan 'n them out but I never saw their current coach as a guy willing/able to develop young guys. It's like they fixed one problem (poor player devel.) but installed another (unwilling player devel).

EazyRoc · Post #360 » by **EazyRoc** » Wed Feb 6, 2019 4:38 pm

If we could nab Bamba, wed be big time WINNING.