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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#362 » by dms269 » Sun Dec 24, 2023 2:52 pm

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Is this anything new? It is basically a bunch of already known rumors compiled into one list. Lazy writing.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#363 » by tbhawksfan1 » Mon Dec 25, 2023 7:32 pm

This season is a wash. Play in and first round exit at best. Need a major reset. Trade CC and Hunter for expirings and some draft cap. JJ is the SF of the future and I like OO at the 4. Murray is a trade candidate but probabky offseason. Need a bigger better shooting SG with Trae.

Find a cheap C to play like Drummond and draft Clingan.

Trae / Bogey / JJ / OO / Clingan. Find a quality SG that can shoot and play off Trae and Bogey leads the second team
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#364 » by tbhawksfan1 » Mon Dec 25, 2023 7:45 pm

There are three centers projected late lottery. Clingan, Ware and Filipowski. Time to find our C for the next 10 years.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#365 » by King Ken » Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:52 am

tbhawksfan1 wrote:This season is a wash. Play in and first round exit at best. Need a major reset. Trade CC and Hunter for expirings and some draft cap. JJ is the SF of the future and I like OO at the 4. Murray is a trade candidate but probabky offseason. Need a bigger better shooting SG with Trae.

Find a cheap C to play like Drummond and draft Clingan.

Trae / Bogey / JJ / OO / Clingan. Find a quality SG that can shoot and play off Trae and Bogey leads the second team

JJ is not a 3.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#366 » by King Ken » Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:53 am

Done with the idea of Toronto trades seeing the teams with cap space this summer. We need to be aggressive in trying to get better. Really aggressive.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#367 » by dms269 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:08 am

King Ken wrote:Done with the idea of Toronto trades seeing the teams with cap space this summer. We need to be aggressive in trying to get better. Really aggressive.
The question is how though?

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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#368 » by King Ken » Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:51 pm

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King Ken wrote:Done with the idea of Toronto trades seeing the teams with cap space this summer. We need to be aggressive in trying to get better. Really aggressive.
The question is how though?

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Easy, the problem is execution.

We gotta look at our needs:
Big who can score an easy basket when needed
legit #1 option scorer, especially one that's a 2, 3, or 5.
No backup PG again
No backup PF
Size
Two PGs are our best players

We did the right thing putting out that Murray could be had. He's locked in for 4 years. So we don't have to worry about any blow back
at this time.

We gotta look at our weaknesses and identify the teams that could help us. Of course, we put out fillers and listen to everything just in case something could appear at a later date.

We need a big who can score an easy basket when needed: That's AD, Embiid, KAT, Vuc, Giannis, Jokic, Paolo, Sengun, Sabonis, and Wemby. That's not many guys who could be available. Just Vuc. We call to see what his price is and if they have an interest in Capela. Maybe they do, maybe they don't.

Legit #1 option scorer. Most aren't available but maybe D. Mitchell, D. Booker. This is where we speak directly with each team and see their real interest. Cleveland is highly unlikely to have any interest as they don't really need anything we have but PHX needs a PG and we have Trae Young. A package around Young is something we should be talking with PHX on. This should be something Landry is doing every day.

You got guys like Tyus Jones, Delon Wright, etc. Most of them are on the Wizards. They also have a backup PF we are familiar with in Gallo. So we have a target. We also have several 2nds. We need to look at trading them for Delon/Gallo for Mills and Garrison M. We could find other teams but they would have to have interest in this type of deal.

Size. This is hard to fix as we have size issues on both the front and backcourt but especially on the frontcourt. That said, we gotta do our due diligence. I am not sure this one is easy to fix.

Well, we are at least open to listening with Murray on the block about two PGs. That said, I wouldn't touch anything unless it made us better. At the end of the day, Murray is still performing at a top-50 level and we need to get better, not worse immediately.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#369 » by dms269 » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:10 pm

King Ken wrote:
dms269 wrote:
King Ken wrote:Done with the idea of Toronto trades seeing the teams with cap space this summer. We need to be aggressive in trying to get better. Really aggressive.
The question is how though?

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Easy, the problem is execution.

We gotta look at our needs:
Big who can score an easy basket when needed
legit #1 option scorer, especially one that's a 2, 3, or 5.
No backup PG again
No backup PF
Size
Two PGs are our best players

We did the right thing putting out that Murray could be had. He's locked in for 4 years. So we don't have to worry about any blow back
at this time.

We gotta look at our weaknesses and identify the teams that could help us. Of course, we put out fillers and listen to everything just in case something could appear at a later date.

We need a big who can score an easy basket when needed: That's AD, Embiid, KAT, Vuc, Giannis, Jokic, Paolo, Sengun, Sabonis, and Wemby. That's not many guys who could be available. Just Vuc. We call to see what his price is and if they have an interest in Capela. Maybe they do, maybe they don't.

Legit #1 option scorer. Most aren't available but maybe D. Mitchell, D. Booker. This is where we speak directly with each team and see their real interest. Cleveland is highly unlikely to have any interest as they don't really need anything we have but PHX needs a PG and we have Trae Young. A package around Young is something we should be talking with PHX on. This should be something Landry is doing every day.

You got guys like Tyus Jones, Delon Wright, etc. Most of them are on the Wizards. They also have a backup PF we are familiar with in Gallo. So we have a target. We also have several 2nds. We need to look at trading them for Delon/Gallo for Mills and Garrison M. We could find other teams but they would have to have interest in this type of deal.

Size. This is hard to fix as we have size issues on both the front and backcourt but especially on the frontcourt. That said, we gotta do our due diligence. I am not sure this one is easy to fix.

Well, we are at least open to listening with Murray on the block about two PGs. That said, I wouldn't touch anything unless it made us better. At the end of the day, Murray is still performing at a top-50 level and we need to get better, not worse immediately.


I am talking about specific proposals though that make sense for us.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#370 » by King Ken » Tue Dec 26, 2023 3:26 pm

dms269 wrote:
King Ken wrote:
dms269 wrote:The question is how though?

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Easy, the problem is execution.

We gotta look at our needs:
Big who can score an easy basket when needed
legit #1 option scorer, especially one that's a 2, 3, or 5.
No backup PG again
No backup PF
Size
Two PGs are our best players

We did the right thing putting out that Murray could be had. He's locked in for 4 years. So we don't have to worry about any blow back
at this time.

We gotta look at our weaknesses and identify the teams that could help us. Of course, we put out fillers and listen to everything just in case something could appear at a later date.

We need a big who can score an easy basket when needed: That's AD, Embiid, KAT, Vuc, Giannis, Jokic, Paolo, Sengun, Sabonis, and Wemby. That's not many guys who could be available. Just Vuc. We call to see what his price is and if they have an interest in Capela. Maybe they do, maybe they don't.

Legit #1 option scorer. Most aren't available but maybe D. Mitchell, D. Booker. This is where we speak directly with each team and see their real interest. Cleveland is highly unlikely to have any interest as they don't really need anything we have but PHX needs a PG and we have Trae Young. A package around Young is something we should be talking with PHX on. This should be something Landry is doing every day.

You got guys like Tyus Jones, Delon Wright, etc. Most of them are on the Wizards. They also have a backup PF we are familiar with in Gallo. So we have a target. We also have several 2nds. We need to look at trading them for Delon/Gallo for Mills and Garrison M. We could find other teams but they would have to have interest in this type of deal.

Size. This is hard to fix as we have size issues on both the front and backcourt but especially on the frontcourt. That said, we gotta do our due diligence. I am not sure this one is easy to fix.

Well, we are at least open to listening with Murray on the block about two PGs. That said, I wouldn't touch anything unless it made us better. At the end of the day, Murray is still performing at a top-50 level and we need to get better, not worse immediately.


I am talking about specific proposals though that make sense for us.

We don't know what's out there and what will be out there outside of Toronto of course. We just gotta stay tight and make sure we are constantly talking to teams, especially those who have what we need. At the end of the day. We could come away with a big 3 that makes sense but we have to be consistent and focused to do so.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#371 » by HMFFL » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:33 am

tbhawksfan1 wrote:This season is a wash. Play in and first round exit at best. Need a major reset. Trade CC and Hunter for expirings and some draft cap. JJ is the SF of the future and I like OO at the 4. Murray is a trade candidate but probabky offseason. Need a bigger better shooting SG with Trae.

Find a cheap C to play like Drummond and draft Clingan.

Trae / Bogey / JJ / OO / Clingan. Find a quality SG that can shoot and play off Trae and Bogey leads the second team
What is so appealing about OO? $14m is his salary next season.

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Post#372 » by HMFFL » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:39 am

tbhawksfan1 wrote:There are three centers projected late lottery. Clingan, Ware and Filipowski. Time to find our C for the next 10 years.
This is one of the most difficult task to accomplish.

Trae will need a star talent at the 5 to have success with Atlanta. Is there a Alperen Sengun in the draft available?

The top three teams in the East have size that we won't ever be able to complete with until we find our 5. By that time Trae Young is going to request out. It's going to happen.

Boston, Milwaukee, Philly are too tough.

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Post#373 » by King Ken » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:43 am

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tbhawksfan1 wrote:There are three centers projected late lottery. Clingan, Ware and Filipowski. Time to find our C for the next 10 years.
This is one of the most difficult task to accomplish.

Trae will need a star talent at the 5 to have success with Atlanta. Is there a Alperen Sengun in the draft available?

The top three teams in the East have size that we won't ever be able to complete with until we find our 5. By that time Trae Young is going to request out. It's going to happen.

Boston, Milwaukee, Philly.

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The answer to that is NOPE! We are screwed in the ability to build a contender around Trae. We got an outside shot of building a contender but it's without Trae, not with him and even then, it's high risk.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#374 » by HMFFL » Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:58 am

King Ken wrote:Done with the idea of Toronto trades seeing the teams with cap space this summer. We need to be aggressive in trying to get better. Really aggressive.
I have been optimistic for far too long.

I don't see how we improve before Trae request out. I expect the rumors to start this off-season.

I believe the serious contenders for Trae in the EAST will be, Philly, or Miami.

In the West, I believe Minnesota, San Antoino, or Denver. LA will be on his list. X out Denver if they're unwilling to replace Jamal Murray.

Trae Young with Nene or Wemby would be a sight to see.



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Post#375 » by HMFFL » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:09 am

Would the Spurs trade their top 5 pick for Trae Young? I believe they have two lottery picks.

If they keep the pick I have them selecting Frances Alexandre Sarr.

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Post#376 » by King Ken » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:10 am

HMFFL wrote:Would the Spurs trade their top 5 pick for Trae Young? I bwkuwvw they have two lottery picks.

If they keep the pick I have them selecting Frances Alexandre Sarr.

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In this draft, sure. But why would we do it?
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#377 » by King Ken » Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:21 am

HMFFL wrote:
King Ken wrote:Done with the idea of Toronto trades seeing the teams with cap space this summer. We need to be aggressive in trying to get better. Really aggressive.
I have been optimistic for far too long.

I don't see how we improve before Trae request out. I expect the rumors to start this off-season.

I believe the serious contenders for Trae in the EAST will be, Philly, or Miami.

In the West, I believe Minnesota, San Antoino, or Denver. LA will be on his list. X out Denver if they're unwilling to replace Jamal Murray.

Trae Young with Nene or Wemby would be a sight to see.



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I expect a full-blown trade request this summer. Probably before the season ends is when we get rumors of a trade request and rumors of Trae to the Lakers (Klutch).

The Hawks have a slim chance to fix this. It's all about PHX and Booker. Otherwise, this **** is gonna end BAD.

This Murray nonsense is just that. Nonsense. No one is offering us anything that makes sense for us short and long-term. We couldn't even convince Siakam to come to Atlanta to play with Murray and Trae. That SA trade will go down as one of the WOAT. Brooklyn/KG-Pierce bad but worse because we aren't in New York.
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Re: Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV 

Post#378 » by tbhawksfan1 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:34 am

I agree that the chances of getting good with this bunch is near zero. Murray wasn't a bad trade, just not the right player to pair with Trae and this team. With three of our future firsts traded or swapped we are in no position to sale and tank. Just have to look to trade CC, Murray and Hunter and find a dominant C.
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Post#379 » by tbhawksfan1 » Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:00 pm

I wouldn't mind a reset built around young players with big potential if we traded Trae.
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Post#380 » by HMFFL » Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:39 am

If we're convinced that Trae will request a trade, which I am, I believe he should be moved as soon as possible, once we find the right deal. Instead, why move DJ, and others, just to have to move Trae later on once he requests a trade?

We're going to be at the bottom of the league for years if Landry Fields and Kyle Korver don't figure things out.



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