2019 NBA Draft Prep

[King Ken]

I still think Culver is a more modern Jalen Rose.

Is that good or bad?

Spoiler:

Jalen had some pretty good years in CHI and Indiana.

Depends how you use him and the personnel

[kg01]

Question: What is the purpose of teams giving draft promises? So the guy won't work out for other teams? If you're the guy, why would you do that? There's nothing binding. What am I missing?

If the prospect also finds the situation or draft slot(salary) preferable then why workout elsewhere?

Because the team who promised you doesn't have to honor their promise. Honestly, I can't imagine any GM that would lock himself into taking a guy.

Surely the conversation is more like, "Yeah we like you, if you're there when we pick ...... "

And the kid just takes it and runs with it although no actual "promise" was made. Long story long, I'm basically answering my own question. (Ah shut-up, ma$e.)

Anyway, from what everyone is saying, sounds like it's just a gamble on the kids' part which is fine. I just think it's really risky.

[Jamaaliver]

2019 NBA Mock Draft 8.0 -- Post-Combine



8. Atlanta Hawks De'Andre Hunter, F, Virginia

Height: 6’7” | Weight: 225 | Sophomore

The Hawks are set in the backcourt and will have some options with their two picks, whether it’s shoring up their front line or looking to use them as trade chips. While Hunter is one of the more mature players set to go near top of the draft, the associated question of where his ceiling actually lies makes it more difficult to see a rebuilding team investing in him as a top-five pick. Atlanta would be a strong fit for him, granting him a chance to play off of gifted shot-creator Trae Young and focus on a supporting role. Hunter is a big, physical defender who has expanded his game offensively, although he has limitations playing off the dribble that may keep him from being a prolific scorer.



10.Atlanta Hawks (via Mavericks): Jaxson Hayes, C, Texas

Height: 6’11” | Weight: 220 | Freshman

Atlanta should be able to address their hole at center with one of their two picks, with Hayes and Goga Bitadze both likely on the board. Hayes is a better fit for the Hawks’ transition-oriented style, and better suited to run the floor, finish plays and protect the basket next to Trae Young. While there’s going to be a lot of skill development and learning required here, Hayes is physically one of the most impressive bigs in the draft, and as he continues to add strength and fill out, he has a chance to become a valuable, starting-caliber option in a couple seasons.

SI.com

[kg01]

Considering KingSupes points out his playmaking abilities, could Culver be our version of Draymond?

I know there was some intrigue at the thought Culver might be over 6'7' and still growing...but it appears he isn't. Meaning Draymond-type versatility might not be in the cards.

He is a solid play maker but more from the wing than the front court (especially at less than 200 pounds.)

Those Evan Turner comps might not be too far off. A realistic ceiling is the Philly version of Andre Iguodala. Which still has real value.

NOTE: He likely will be a better shooter as a 2nd option than we saw from him as a first option. (He shot 38% from three as a freshman.)

I get your point. How do we (you) know he's not still growing though?

Agree the Evan Turner comp seems appropriate. Then again, how tall is Draymond actually?

[Jamaaliver]

I get your point. How do we (you) know he's not still growing though?

Agree the Evan Turner comp seems appropriate. Then again, how tall is Draymond actually?

No way to know if he's still growing, but if that's part of the calculus on whether to draft him or not...ummm.

Draymond is also only 6'7" with shoes. But that extra 4O pounds of girth/muscle allows him to effectively play C/PF.

At roughly 195 pounds, Culver projects to be a pure wing player...he's roughly the same size as Huerter.

[EazyRoc]

I think Culver is going to slide in this draft due to his offensive game not looking like a good translation to the pros. The national championship game had to ding his stock a little bit.

[Spud2nique]

Question: What is the purpose of teams giving draft promises? So the guy won't work out for other teams? If you're the guy, why would you do that? There's nothing binding. What am I missing?

If the prospect also finds the situation or draft slot(salary) preferable then why workout elsewhere?

Because the team who promised you doesn't have to honor their promise. Honestly, I can't imagine any GM that would lock himself into taking a guy.

Surely the conversation is more like, "Yeah we like you, if you're there when we pick ...... "

And the kid just takes it and runs with it although no actual "promise" was made. Long story long, I'm basically answering my own question. (Ah shut-up, ma$e.)

Anyway, from what everyone is saying, sounds like it's just a gamble on the kids' part which is fine. I just think it's really risky.

It’s not the first time you’ve brought this up..

Watch on YouTube

[Spud2nique]

It says up top that Bulls are interested in Lonzo.

I don’t like this as it could really mess things up for ya trying to get Cam. If there is a weird Ball and #7 for the #4 and parts that could be bad as I can see the Lakers taking Cam at 7 right before us.

We’ve gotten screwed a few times with one player being picked before us. The huge one was obviously the Drew thing and Giannis.

We can’t have this happen again.

Also, Minny has there eye on Clarke at 11. If we don’t want him (I still do) can we make Minny pay a good price for moving one slot up?

[King Ken]

It says up top that Bulls are interested in Lonzo.

I don’t like this as it could really mess things up for ya trying to get Cam. If there is a weird Ball and #7 for the #4 and parts that could be bad as I can see the Lakers taking Cam at 7 right before us.

We’ve gotten screwed a few times with one player being picked before us. The huge one was obviously the Drew thing and Giannis.

We can’t have this happen again.

Also, Minny has there eye on Clarke at 11. If we don’t want him (I still do) can we make Minny pay a good price for moving one slot up?

Lakers have 0 interest in moving him for anything less than a star or superstar.

[Spud2nique]

It says up top that Bulls are interested in Lonzo.

I don’t like this as it could really mess things up for ya trying to get Cam. If there is a weird Ball and #7 for the #4 and parts that could be bad as I can see the Lakers taking Cam at 7 right before us.

We’ve gotten screwed a few times with one player being picked before us. The huge one was obviously the Drew thing and Giannis.

We can’t have this happen again.

Also, Minny has there eye on Clarke at 11. If we don’t want him (I still do) can we make Minny pay a good price for moving one slot up?

Lakers have 0 interest in moving him for anything less than a star or superstar.

Hmm not what the reports say. Let’s face it, Ball hasn’t lived up to his hype...yet. Just saying it’s not a crazy move by the Lakers to have him on the block depending on the price.

[EazyRoc]

It says up top that Bulls are interested in Lonzo.

I don’t like this as it could really mess things up for ya trying to get Cam. If there is a weird Ball and #7 for the #4 and parts that could be bad as I can see the Lakers taking Cam at 7 right before us.

We’ve gotten screwed a few times with one player being picked before us. The huge one was obviously the Drew thing and Giannis.

We can’t have this happen again.

Also, Minny has there eye on Clarke at 11. If we don’t want him (I still do) can we make Minny pay a good price for moving one slot up?

Lakers have 0 interest in moving him for anything less than a star or superstar.

Hmm not what the reports say. Let’s face it, Ball hasn’t lived up to his hype...yet. Just saying it’s not a crazy move by the Lakers to have him on the block depending on the price.

Especially when the Lakers can add Garland and Bruno. With Kuzma, Ingram, and Hart..I can’t see them adding another wing.

[socialsavant]

Why would the Lakers trade Lonzo to move down in the draft? I'm sure I'm missing something here.

[Spud2nique]

Why would the Lakers trade Lonzo to move down in the draft? I'm sure I'm missing something here.

Obviously with more parts on the move.

[Jamaaliver]

Why would the Lakers trade Lonzo to move down in the draft? I'm sure I'm missing something here.

The reports I've read indicate they'd end up with an additional top-7 pick, which they could use to trade for Anthony Davis.

(Or Bradley Beal)

Code: Select all

The Lakers have the fourth pick in the 2019 draft after moving up seven slots in the lottery. They could offer that pick, along with the Bulls' No. 7, and other assets to New Orleans for Davis.

The Lakers and Pelicans still could work out a deal that does not involve a third party, but it's unlikely Ball would be involved in such a swap.

Bleacher Report

[socialsavant]

Okay that make sense.

[King Ken]

It says up top that Bulls are interested in Lonzo.

I don’t like this as it could really mess things up for ya trying to get Cam. If there is a weird Ball and #7 for the #4 and parts that could be bad as I can see the Lakers taking Cam at 7 right before us.

We’ve gotten screwed a few times with one player being picked before us. The huge one was obviously the Drew thing and Giannis.

We can’t have this happen again.

Also, Minny has there eye on Clarke at 11. If we don’t want him (I still do) can we make Minny pay a good price for moving one slot up?

Lakers have 0 interest in moving him for anything less than a star or superstar.

Hmm not what the reports say. Let’s face it, Ball hasn’t lived up to his hype...yet. Just saying it’s not a crazy move by the Lakers to have him on the block depending on the price.

I don't know what to tell you, PHX already called and the response was Devin Booker. They don't have the interest in moving Ball like that

[CP War Hawks]

Culver should have taken himself out of the combine. His legend of being 6-8, 215, 7-0 ws would have kept growing. I suspect Hunter is more than a freak than people realize.

Considering there will a run on players that handle, can shoot, pass, get their own buckets, or even show just a bit of pg skill; Culver shouldn't fall too far. He would be a great fit at 8.

[MaceCase]

Question: What is the purpose of teams giving draft promises? So the guy won't work out for other teams? If you're the guy, why would you do that? There's nothing binding. What am I missing?

If the prospect also finds the situation or draft slot(salary) preferable then why workout elsewhere?

Because the team who promised you doesn't have to honor their promise. Honestly, I can't imagine any GM that would lock himself into taking a guy.

Surely the conversation is more like, "Yeah we like you, if you're there when we pick ...... "

And the kid just takes it and runs with it although no actual "promise" was made. Long story long, I'm basically answering my own question. (Ah shut-up, ma$e.)

Anyway, from what everyone is saying, sounds like it's just a gamble on the kids' part which is fine. I just think it's really risky.

Well teams have this "code of honor" thing about jilting a prospect they said they'd take while consequently watching him cancel all his other workouts and start shopping for a house in the GM's neighborhood. Maybe because of hurting the player, probably more because agents have looooong memories, but also it's bad pub.

If I wasn't lazy I'd find the old clip I've posted of Larry Brown lamenting how they gave Larry Hughes a promise in the 1998 draft and the whole front office had to collectively close their eyes, shove their fingers in their ears, and yell "lalalala" when they noticed Paul Pierce had dropped into their laps. We can never forget this fella named Shelden either.

[King Ken]

If the prospect also finds the situation or draft slot(salary) preferable then why workout elsewhere?

Because the team who promised you doesn't have to honor their promise. Honestly, I can't imagine any GM that would lock himself into taking a guy.

Surely the conversation is more like, "Yeah we like you, if you're there when we pick ...... "

And the kid just takes it and runs with it although no actual "promise" was made. Long story long, I'm basically answering my own question. (Ah shut-up, ma$e.)

Anyway, from what everyone is saying, sounds like it's just a gamble on the kids' part which is fine. I just think it's really risky.

Well teams have this "code of honor" thing about jilting a prospect they said they'd take while consequently watching him cancel all his other workouts and start shopping for a house in the GM's neighborhood. Maybe because of hurting the player, probably more because agents have looooong memories, but also it's bad pub.

If I wasn't lazy I'd find the old clip I've posted of Larry Brown lamenting how they gave Larry Hughes a promise in the 1998 draft and the whole front office had to collectively close their eyes, shove their fingers in their ears, and yell "lalalala" when they noticed Paul Pierce had dropped into their laps. We can never forget this fella named Shelden either.

Which is why Travis doesn't do promises. They gotta go through the entire process.

[King Ken]

Culver should have taken himself out of the combine. His legend of being 6-8, 215, 7-0 ws would have kept growing. I suspect Hunter is more than a freak than people realize.

Considering there will a run on players that handle, can shoot, pass, get their own buckets, or even show just a bit of pg skill; Culver shouldn't fall too far. He would be a great fit at 8.

Contrary to belief, he really helped himself in some of the workout drills. He was a lot more skilled which he showed at college but more skilled than many through. He also was a better shooter than many thought. He helped himself. I was hearing he could fall out of the lottery before the combine. Now he is a top 10 lock. He did himself a solid.