jayu70 wrote:1. If memory serves me correctly we couldn't trade just a 2nd rounder for Korver since we didn't have cap space to absorb his $5 million dollar contract.
2. A SnT with Hinrich would mean we would have to pay him more than he was worth to make salaries match Korver's $5 million or include a player which is added salary for Bulls. Kirk signed a 2yr/$6 mil deal.
No Joe trade, no trade exception, no Korver.
Hello, Jayu70. I appreciate your contribution to the board.
Cards on the table. This line of thinking isn't my own. I actually did some research and found a few places (tweets/whispers) that Hawks and Bulls actually did consider a Sign & Trade. Bulls fans and beat writers all lamented after the fact that signing Hinrich outright instead of doing the sign & trade limited what moves CHI could make moving forward.
The trade exception CHI received in exchange for KK ultimately went unused. A fact Bulls fans are very aware of.
That $6 million contract figure is incorrect, as the final contract numbers were closer to 2 years and just under $8 million.
My larger point which seems to have gotten lost in this: JJ was recently recognized as the single best Hawk player of the last decade. A sentiment I agree with. But his salary made it necessary to move him. We didn't get equal value for him. We got expirings and pick swaps and a trade exception. This is disappointing. Especially when Brooklyn 4 months earlier (in a fit of desperation) traded a lottery pick for Gerald Wallace.
Ferry did well to move JJ's contract. I give him full credit for that. But he made a huge mistake in not trading Josh Smith when his stock was high. Then letting him walk away for nothing a year later. I don't want Horford walking away for nothing next year. That would be even more difficult to recover from.
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Hoops Rumors wrote:Still, while some of the Bulls' offseason choices are defensible, there's still plenty about the team's summer that doesn't make sense. Notably, Chicago's decision to give Kirk Hinrich nearly $4MM in mid-level exception money ensured that the Bulls would be hard-capped this season, unable to pass $74,307,000 in team salary at any point.
As Mark Deeks of ShamSports and others have noted, the teams could have reworked the two moves into one, sending Hinrich to Chicago in a sign-and-trade transaction. Had they done that, the Bulls would've retained their mid-level exception and avoided the hard cap
HEREMike Prada wrote:[The Bulls] got a trade exception back, but given their obvious desire to avoid the luxury tax, I doubt they use it. The sensible thing, if they wanted Hinrich anyway, was to work out a sign-and-trade where they'd swap him for Korver. Not sure why the Bulls didn't do that.
HEREMark Deeks wrote:To avoid having to pay him $500,000 in guaranteed compensation, the Bulls traded Kyle Korver to Atlanta in exchange for a nominal amount of cash. This is the same team from which they signed Hinrich. Had the Hawks signed-and-traded Hinrich for Korver, the Bulls wouldn't need to have used the MLE to sign Hinrich. The only negative difference in this outcome would have been the Bulls didn't create a TPE of $5 million, which they did in the real one. Yet it now matters not. The S&T was discussed, but it wasn't done.
HERE (NOTE: Mark Deeks' original piece from Sham Sports is no longer available as the entire blog has been removed from the interwebs. I copied the text from a longstanding Bulls fan site that also linked back to the original site.)
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Hinrich is believed to have signed a two-year deal worth roughly $8 million.
HereRose’s torn ACL will keep him out until late January at the earliest, and his new caddies are Kirk Hinrich, the former Bull who was re-signed for $8 million over two years, and rookie Marquis Teague.
HereBut again, the entire point of the thread is that while I do think Horford comes back on a max salary next summer....there exists the possibility he could be wooed away.
In addition, as much as I love AL. I'm not certain making him a max player gets us closer to a championship. Paying Horford and Millsap a combined salary around 50% of our cap number seems a risky proposition.
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