Bazemore may get 13-15M...DMC level

[Geaux_Hawks]

All we'd need to do to clear room for Al would be trade Splitter and renounce Hinrich's cap hold.


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What are we left with if we just moved on from Al, renounced Hinrich, cut Scott, and traded Splitter for space?

I think around $20-$22 million. I'd ask D21 to clarify if my numbers are on point.


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Just wondering because we could still use a true stretch 4, go to scorer, and another ball handler. Probably a pipe dream, but Dirk would be nice as the ultimate stretch 4, while being a ton cheaper. More realistically, and probably better for defense/rebounding is Marvin Williams.

Need someone to handle the ball when DS is out of the game. Eric Gordon could fill that role. Deron Williams is still out there.

[atlantabbq99]

Allen Crabbe just got the same size deal Baz got. 17 million per year. That is the new market for a young wing. Atlanta should feel lucky that we got Baz on a discount.

[ATL Boy]

Allen Crabbe just got the same size deal Baz got. 17 million per year. That is the new market for a young wing. Atlanta should feel lucky that we got Baz on a discount.

Was just about to post how Crabbe just got the same deal as Bazemore (do much for thinking he'd be a cheap alternative).

It certainly does make me happier with the Bazemore deal. While Baze isn't as young, we're obviously trying to use cap flexibility to win now and in the future, and we'll have Kent throughout his entire prime these next four years (and before his athleticism begins declining).

3&D's are now very expensive. I'm glad we got 3 of them in the draft, and have them on cost controlled deals.


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[MaceCase]

Can't really fault the deal considering that he left money on the table from multiple other teams. 2-4 million may seem piddling but for a guy who was never destined to be in this league that is a decent decision he had to make choosing comfort over securing the most that he could possibly make. I don't fault DeMarre for doing the exact opposite but I have to commend Baze.

[Jamaaliver]

Am I the only one who'd rather have paid Harrison Barnes $24 million per year than Kent Bazemore $17 million per?

[PandaKidd]

Am I the only one who'd rather have paid Harrison Barnes $24 million per year than Kent Bazemore $17 million per?

I like Barnes SIZE over Bazemore, and I think Barnes upside could potentially be a lot more than Bazemore. But it could also be really really really bad.

Bazemore is the devil we know, and Im happy with the savings personally. I was HIGH on Barnes, that hanged over 2 series. Bazemore I like having especially around someone like D12. Someone who fights, claws, does a lot of hustle work.

I didnt see a lot of that out of Barnes

[ATL Boy]

I'll take Baze at $17 mil tbh. Barnes has been overrated his entire basketball life from HS on. Never lived up to the hype at UNC, and wasn't really that great for GSW.

He has upside sure, and I wouldn't have minded signing him to a Baze type deal, but I'm not giving him the max banking on him realizing that potential. You're paying him as a number one or two option, and I don't think he lives up to the billing.

I'd rather have the savings, it'll give us some valuable flexibility in the future.


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[MaceCase]

Per ESPN:

Barnes devotees will point to the fact that the 24-year-old is still young enough to see some improvement over the next couple of seasons. But we have a hard time identifying attributes that could make the former Tar Heel a max-level player. His 11.7 points per game certainly weren't anything to write home about. Neither were his subpar rates (per 36 minutes) of steals (0.7), assists (2.1) or blocks (0.2).

And while Barnes' 3-point production last season -- 38.3 percent accuracy on 214 long-range attempts -- gives the appearance of competence, a deeper dive suggests it might be a mirage. According to player tracking metrics on NBA.com, when Barnes launched 3s without being wide open (i.e., when there was a defender within six feet of him), he connected on a putrid 30.6 percent of his attempts.

Put Barnes on nearly any team besides Golden State -- that is, any team where open looks aren't the norm -- and he will almost certainly suffer a massive drop in shooting efficiency.

One of the few offensive metrics in which Barnes truly shines is his turnover rate, which was very low last season. Then again, he simply hasn't had to create much of his own offense on an elite Warriors team.

Yes, the Warriors outscored opponents by 10 points per 100 possessions with Barnes on the court last season. But he has shared ample court time with some of the best players in the league. When you have teammates such as Stephen Curry, Draymond Green and Klay Thompson, it's nearly inevitable that you'll post an impressive raw plus-minus number.

That's one of the major reasons we developed the RPM metric -- to provide an estimate of player impact after adjusting for the strength of his teammates and opponents. The resulting adjustment in Barnes' case is sobering: He had an anemic RPM rating of -1.3 last season.

In fact, the Warriors didn't miss a beat whenever Barnes went to the bench. They were actually two points better in net efficiency without him...

[HMFFL]

Very classy of Bazemore.



http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/basketball/bazemore-writes-letter-of-thanks-to-atlanta-in-ful/nrsck/

[ATL Boy]

So Crabbe just signed with the Nets (forreal this time). 4 years/$75 million, with incentives that could push it up to $83 million. There's no way we overpaid for Bazemore.

[jayu70]

So Crabbe just signed with the Nets (forreal this time). 4 years/$75 million, with incentives that could push it up to $83 million. There's no way we overpaid for Bazemore.

Alsp, on the spotrac website, it shows that Baze has a player option in year 4.

[Jamaaliver]

So Crabbe just signed with the Nets (forreal this time). 4 years/$75 million, with incentives that could push it up to $83 million. There's no way we overpaid for Bazemore.

I gotta be honest, Baze is a better two way player today...but I see Crabbe as having a MUCH higher ceiling. His game reminds quite a bit of Rip Hamilton from the Pistons Championship team.

I see Crabbe easily as a 15 ppg scorer next season and perhaps a 20 ppg by the end of this contract.

[atlantabbq99]

That is so cool of Baz. Mad respect to the brother! Good basketball player Great guy!!!

[ATL Boy]

So Crabbe just signed with the Nets (forreal this time). 4 years/$75 million, with incentives that could push it up to $83 million. There's no way we overpaid for Bazemore.

I gotta be honest, Baze is a better two way player today...but I see Crabbe as having a MUCH higher ceiling. His game reminds quite a bit of Rip Hamilton from the Pistons Championship team.

I see Crabbe easily as a 15 ppg scorer next season and perhaps a 20 ppg by the end of this contract.

Coming into this offseason many of us were thinking of Crabbe as a cheaper option as opposed to Bazemore, and there's a reason we thought he would be cheaper. While he does have a higher ceiling, I think Crabbe is more likely to end up a player of Bazemore's caliber by the time of his prime than he is of Hamilton's. I don't mean to say that as a knock against Crabbe (Baze is an excellent role player, and I don't think he's fully reached his ceiling just yet); but to pay Crabbe this much at this point in his career (while he's a bench caliber player) is pretty crazy.

Note: I hope Crabbe helps make the Nets a 30+ win team this summer, I just don't see him as worth that deal.

[jayu70]

Whoever said - how can we pay Baze 'a career back-up' (which he really isn't anymore when compared to Crabbe who has started 17 games in his 3 years) $17 mil a season, this is why - it's the going rate for wing players.

[Jamaaliver]

Coming into this offseason many of us were thinking of Crabbe as a cheaper option as opposed to Bazemore, and there's a reason we thought he would be cheaper. While he does have a higher ceiling, I think Crabbe is more likely to end up a player of Bazemore's caliber by the time of his prime than he is of Hamilton's. I don't mean to say that as a knock against Crabbe (Baze is an excellent role player, and I don't think he's fully reached his ceiling just yet); but to pay Crabbe this much at this point in his career (while he's a bench caliber player) is pretty crazy.

Note: I hope Crabbe helps make the Nets a 30+ win team this summer, I just don't see him as worth that deal.

Everything above makes sense. At age 24, I think Crabbe's contract will be seen as a relative 'bargain' by the end of the deal. Crabbe is turning into what we hoped John Jenkins would be. And with Kenny Atkinson (a player development guru) in charge, playing next to Tyler Johnson, I am officially a fan of what Brooklyn is building.

I didn't think any GM would be able to clear up that mess any time soon with no draft picks. They're likely a couple years away from the playoffs...but their direction is clear.

I absolutely love what they are doing.

[ATL Boy]

Coming into this offseason many of us were thinking of Crabbe as a cheaper option as opposed to Bazemore, and there's a reason we thought he would be cheaper. While he does have a higher ceiling, I think Crabbe is more likely to end up a player of Bazemore's caliber by the time of his prime than he is of Hamilton's. I don't mean to say that as a knock against Crabbe (Baze is an excellent role player, and I don't think he's fully reached his ceiling just yet); but to pay Crabbe this much at this point in his career (while he's a bench caliber player) is pretty crazy.

Note: I hope Crabbe helps make the Nets a 30+ win team this summer, I just don't see him as worth that deal.

Everything above makes sense. At age 24, I think Crabbe's contract will be seen as a relative 'bargain' by the end of the deal. Crabbe is turning into what we hoped John Jenkins would be. And with Kenny Atkinson (a player development guru) in charge, playing next to Tyler Johnson, I am officially a fan of what Brooklyn is building.

I didn't think any GM would be able to clear up that mess any time soon with no draft picks. They're likely a couple years away from the playoffs...but their direction is clear.

I absolutely love what they are doing.

I agree, and what I forgot to mention in my original post is that while I think Crabbe is an overpay (making Baze look like a good deal), it is a necessary overpay on the part of Brooklyn. Marks is doing the only thing he can to clean up Billy King's mess: getting young players in FA. While they're not on cost controlled deals, the way draft picks would be, the Nets are at least creating something of a farm system. It sure as heck beats just sucking and gifting Boston a top 3 pick every year.

[Jamaaliver]

Marks is doing the only thing he can to clean up Billy King's mess: getting young players in FA. While they're not on cost controlled deals, the way draft picks would be, the Nets are at least creating something of a farm system. It sure as heck beats just sucking and gifting Boston a top 3 pick every year.

Yeah, man.

Once Brooklyn gets back to a competitive 30 win team with a solid core and possession of their own draft picks, I think they will be become a top Free Agent spot...finally.

2020 should be their year.

Ironically, around the same time Bazemore becomes a Free Agent again.

[td00]

Brooklyn has to overpay to take him away from Portland, and they still may not get him.

I thought it might take 4/50 to pry him away, but we didn't see him as a priority. Great raise for both he and Tyler Johnson.

[jayu70]

Brooklyn has to overpay to take him away from Portland, and they still may not get him.

I thought it might take 4/50 to pry him away, but we didn't see him as a priority. Great raise for both he and Tyler Johnson.

How could we make him a priority as a RFA? We sign him to an offer sheet, Portland matches, Baze signs elsewhere, we have nothing.