Hawks to face Knicks in 1st Round of Playoffs

[jayu70]

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[jayu70]

Dead Heat especially when you consider the before and after LP and the many missed injury games.

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[GTR11]

ATL in six

This team just have more firepower, it's that simple. Take that painted area out and make them jump shot happy, they consistently inconsistent.

Having Gallo healthy for this match up will be huge. If he can provide around 30 min, that changes entire dynamic of these teams match ups.

Ooh, you're not wrong, but that's a little strong minutes-wise for Galli. Every time I see him run I cringe and hope he doesn't tweak something. The other week one of the highlight clips at practice had him doing a 360 dunk (not kidding). I nearly fainted.

For Gallo to play 30 minutes it would have to be that Clint and/or JC are in foul trouble and his Flame thrower is hot, hot, hot.

Its more about spacing that guards going to need. Thibs won't mind trap and cheat from none shooters. Collins going to need his jump shot game on A plus level. Also having Collins racking havoc vs second unit for most of the game is not a bad idea. He will be going vs corpses of Taj Gibson and offensive liability in Noel.

[D21]

If you look at main stats, you will think they are the same kind of team, but there are differences on some points.
For example, efficiency difference with opponents (hoopstats):
- for starters, ATL are 5th with +10.5 / NYK are 19th with -1.8
- for bench, ATL are 26th with -6.3 / NYK are 4th with +5.2

That's what I said : don't try to stop Randle at all, let him score 30 or more if he wants, but let's focus on Rose impact.
They have a +10.6 Net rating with Rose, and "only" +3 with Randle and +2.7 with Barrett, while both of these guys are playing with Rose too, so if they only have these numbers, it means they are certainly in negative when playing without him.
Playing with Rose, NYK gets +5pt on offense and -6pts on defense. With or without Randle, they are pretty much the same
Randle and Barrett are a bit higher than that on the last 15 games (as they were not playing with Rose before his trade), but it's the same thing, it's still mainly Rose, Quickley and Gibson first, I hope McMillan doesn't work all this week on Randle.

As the 1st and 2nd were coached by Pierce, better look at the 3rd game : Randle 0 on +/- even with his 40pts.
The key : ATL were destroyed when playing with Goodwin (-19 in 18min) while NYK were +29 with Quickley

[cgf]

If you look at main stats, you will think they are the same kind of team, but there are differences on some points.
For example, efficiency difference with opponents (hoopstats):
- for starters, ATL are 5th with +10.5 / NYK are 19th with -1.8
- for bench, ATL are 26th with -6.3 / NYK are 4th with +5.2

That's what I said : don't try to stop Randle at all, let him score 30 or more if he wants, but let's focus on Rose impact.
They have a +10.6 Net rating with Rose, and "only" +3 with Randle and +2.7 with Barrett, while both of these guys are playing with Rose too, so if they only have these numbers, it means they are certainly in negative when playing without him.
Playing with Rose, NYK gets +5pt on offense and -6pts on defense. With or without Randle, they are pretty much the same
Randle and Barrett are a bit higher than that on the last 15 games (as they were not playing with Rose before his trade), but it's the same thing, it's still mainly Rose, Quickley and Gibson first, I hope McMillan doesn't work all this week on Randle.

As the 1st and 2nd were coached by Pierce, better look at the 3rd game : Randle 0 on +/- even with his 40pts.
The key : ATL were destroyed when playing with Goodwin (-19 in 18min) while NYK were +29 with Quickley

May want to look into how our starters numbers look without Elfrid Payton

[D21]

May want to look into how our starters numbers look without Elfrid Payton

Isn't it what I said ? that they are in negative when playing without Rose or Quickley ? You're just confirming what I said, it's once that Rose is on the floor, or Quickley, that NYK plays their best bball
And unless I'm wrong, they still have Payton. If they traded him for someone better, then it would be a different story, but as right now he's still there, it's exactly what you and me said : Randle can score at will, but when he plays without Rose and Quickley (so with Payton), the team has a neutral impact at best.

Fore sure, if you manage to play without Payton, NYK are better. Payton has the same impact than what Goodwin plays for ATL, except it's the opposite situation, he's coming from the bench and hurts the bench impact, and impact from starters when they play with him

[cgf]

May want to look into how our starters numbers look without Elfrid Payton

Isn't it what I said ? that they are in negative when playing without Rose or Quickley ? You're just confirming what I said, it's once that Rose is on the floor, or Quickley, that NYK plays their best bball
And unless I'm wrong, they still have Payton. If they traded him for someone better, then it would be a different story, but as right now he's still there, it's exactly what you and me said : Randle can score at will, but when he plays without Rose and Quickley (so with Payton), the team has a neutral impact at best.

Fore sure, if you manage to play without Payton, NYK are better. Payton has the same impact than what Goodwin plays for ATL, except it's the opposite situation, he's coming from the bench and hurts the bench impact, and impact from starters when they play with him

What I was getting at was that "starter" numbers are a little misleading for us since Payton hasn't been getting starter minutes in a long time now...he's only hit 20 minutes once in the past 14 games, and after seeing his average drop under 20 mpg in April, he was down to ~15mpg in May...whether it's Rose, Quickley, or Burks out there with the starters instead of him.

[Jamaaliver]

anyone know when the first round schedule will be released?

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Ooh, you're not wrong, but that's a little strong minutes-wise for Galli. Every time I see him run I cringe and hope he doesn't tweak something. The other week one of the highlight clips at practice had him doing a 360 dunk (not kidding). I nearly fainted.

For Gallo to play 30 minutes it would have to be that Clint and/or JC are in foul trouble and his Flame thrower is hot, hot, hot.

Its more about spacing that guards going to need. Thibs won't mind trap and cheat from none shooters. Collins going to need his jump shot game on A plus level. Also having Collins racking havoc vs second unit for most of the game is not a bad idea. He will be going vs corpses of Taj Gibson and offensive liability in Noel.

Collins in 3 games avg. 18 vs them all on efficient shooting, including 7-12 from 3 pt range. The Hawks just have a hard time integrating him more into the offense, but Collins will still be a problem for them.

[D21]

What I was getting at was that "starter" numbers are a little misleading for us since Payton hasn't been getting starter minutes in a long time now...he's only hit 20 minutes once in the past 14 games, and after seeing his average drop under 20 mpg in April, he was down to ~15mpg in May...whether it's Rose, Quickley, or Burks out there with the starters instead of him.

And it's also what I said in the previous post, I gave the Net rating on the last 15 games, and it still Rose, Quickley... leading it, far ahead of Randle and Barrett
When I said "starters", it was for the ones who start playing together, it doesn't mean that Randle and Barrett are bad, just that they perform less with the other starter than once they play with some bench guys

[D21]

Collins in 3 games avg. 18 vs them all on efficient shooting, including 7-12 from 3 pt range. The Hawks just have a hard time integrating him more into the offense, but Collins will still be a problem for them.

It's great, but to win, there are two things I don't want to see (to avoid for example getting a 8pts lead and suddenly being at -4pts in 5min :
- defense too much hard on Randle, because it can lead to foul trouble
- playing without one of Trae or Bogi, because Rose will kill the bench guys. Nate has to start both, but quickly bench Bogi, and play him again once Trae is benched. He can play them together again later, but should never have both on the bench at the same time.

[cgf]

What I was getting at was that "starter" numbers are a little misleading for us since Payton hasn't been getting starter minutes in a long time now...he's only hit 20 minutes once in the past 14 games, and after seeing his average drop under 20 mpg in April, he was down to ~15mpg in May...whether it's Rose, Quickley, or Burks out there with the starters instead of him.

And it's also what I said in the previous post, I gave the Net rating on the last 15 games, and it still Rose, Quickley... leading it, far ahead of Randle and Barrett
When I said "starters", it was for the ones who start playing together, it doesn't mean that Randle and Barrett are bad, just that they perform less with the other starter than once they play with some bench guys

I get what you're saying, I just think you're coming to the wrong conclusion from those numbers. IMO they don't say 'no need to worry about Randle, let him do what he does & focus on Rose/Quickley'.

What I see is just how awful Elfrid has been; as, I would argue, a huge part of that gap comes down to the fact that Rose / Quickley never share the court with Payton, whereas Randle & Barrett have had him dragging down their netrtg for at least 12 minutes every single night. IIRC Randle & Barrett's with-and-without #s with Payton support that, by showing an enormous gap.

So the conclusion I draw is that if Thibs continues to play Elf, you need to just murder us in those minutes and put is in too big of a hole to dig out of when Thibs pulls him for Rose, Quickley or Burks.

[jayu70]

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yet Lebron doesn't get fined for saying the person who invented the play in games should be fired?

[jayu70]

NBA Playoff Experience by minutes and games:

Hawks
Lou Williams - 1796 minutes, 71 games
Clint Capela - 1307 minutes, 61 games
Tony Snell - 533 minutes, 38 games
Danilo Gallinari - 783 minutes, 25 games
Solomon Hill - 355 minutes, 24 games
Total: 4774 minutes, 219 games

Knicks
Taj Gibson - 1443 minutes, 66 games
Derrick Rose - 1784 minutes, 46 games
Alec Burks - 278 minutes, 17 games
Nerlens Noel - 157 minutes, 12 games
Reggie Bullock - 27 minutes, 4 games
Norvel Pelle - 7 minutes, 1 game
Total: 3696 minutes, 146 games

What does it mean, not much, lol.

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Nate McMillan fined $25,000 for saying NBA 'wants,' 'needs' Knicks in playoffs



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[cgf]

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Pretty sure it was the "McMillan also said on the call that 'there's going to be a lot of calls that probably won't go our way,'" part. Not him saying that you were underdogs in the press...

[brigadierjerry]

Knicks fan that come in peace I remember I believe last time hawks played knicks in playoffs the hawks were favored as well. I think that was the '99 team.

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[Jamaaliver]

Knicks fan that come in peace I remember I believe last time hawks played knicks in playoffs the hawks were favored as well. I think that was the '99 team.

Jerry,

I remember that series vividly. I was away at college for the first time and talked a ton of trash to all my NY friends about the beatdown my #4 seed Hawks were gonna put on your #8 seeded Knicks.

And the Knicks swept us on their way to the NBA Finals.

Our front office was so distraught after the loss, we blew up the team and didn't taste the postseason for another decade.

TBF, that Knick team had superior talent in Allan Houston, Latrell Sprewell and Marcus Camby. IIRC, they were only seeded so lowly after an injury mid-season to Ewing.

I hope to avenge that playoff loss this year. I've been harboring a grudge for the last 22 years.





Sadly, the Knicks have been so awful...it's been pointless to root against them.
(^That's the most trash talk you'll get from me before the series.)