Cam Reddish: NBA Vagabond

[Jamaaliver]

The Knicks Fleeced Atlanta for Cam Reddish. Or Did They?

New York may have just landed a future All-Star for close to nothing—but the Hawks might look like winners in the end



The motivations for New York and Atlanta to do something were clear, but it’s kind of fascinating they chose to do this...On its face, this looks like a potential fleecing by New York. Knox, plus a Charlotte first-rounder that can’t be any better than the no. 15 pick in a couple of years, is all it took to get Reddish, a 22-year-old wing who hung 21 on the eventual champs in a closeout playoff game six months ago? What are we missing?

Maybe it’s as simple as taking Schlenk at his word: that he believed something needed to give with the Hawks, and that decongesting a crowded rotation by redistributing Reddish’s minutes to more efficient and consistent performers (the reportedly disgruntled John Collins, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Kevin Huerter, the just-returned De’Andre Hunter) while recouping a first-rounder and creating a roster spot were worth the cost of losing Reddish’s talent.

Financial concerns surely played a role, too. With all those just-signed extensions about to kick in, dealing Reddish, who becomes eligible for his own extension this summer, relieves the Hawks from having to decide whether to pony up yet again—and provides some additional flexibility to re-up the oft-injured but excellent Hunter, who’s also extension-eligible this summer.

It also might be that Schlenk and Co., after seeing Reddish’s flashes of brilliance mitigated by shot-jacking and underwhelming production, were no longer as enamored of his talent as others are. Reddish has shot just 38.5 percent from the field in his career, with more turnovers (174) than assists (160), and the Hawks have performed significantly better with him off the floor than on it over the past two seasons.

Reddish, who was the no. 3 recruit in his high school class, clearly believes in his ability: “I know I’m nice,” he told Michael Pina of Sports Illustrated before the season. Early in the campaign, with Atlanta struggling out of the gates, Reddish told my Ringer colleague Seerat Sohi that figuring out how to play off the ball and spot up from the corner was “one of the hardest things I had to learn,” but made it clear that he saw it as a temporary condition: “I don’t think that’s gonna be my role forever.”

Schlenk evidently wasn’t convinced Reddish merited either the “increased role” he sought in Atlanta or an extension that could wind up paying in the range of $18 million to $20 million per year. Wings with Reddish’s combination of size (6-foot-8, 217 pounds, 7-foot-1 wingspan), athleticism, defensive upside, and touch (83.3 percent from the free throw line for his career, 37.9 percent from 3-point range on 4.5 attempts per game this season) don’t grow on trees, and they don’t come cheap; as my Ringer teammate Kevin O’Connor put it earlier this week, “Many other teams want [Reddish] because he could be worth it.”

This deal also raises plenty of questions about what comes next: for the Knicks, trying to position themselves for both a postseason push and perhaps an even bigger swing in the star-hunting trade market down the road; for the Hawks, who might have their sights set on a bigger deal, too; and for Reddish, who doesn’t seem content with being a role player and will now try to show he’s a star at the World’s Most Famous Arena. We might see bigger deals before the deadline, but we might not see a more interesting one.

The Ringer

[dkb965]

CHA fan here...

That CHA pick will almost certainly convey this year (injuries permitting). We are currently 23-19 on a 4 game win streak and we have just about the softest schedule in the league remaining for the rest of the year. I think we currently have the 10th best record in the NBA. We have a lot more home games than away games coming up and have already completed both of our West Coast road trips for this season.

I think you could find a really solid player in that 19th-22nd pick range in the draft and for that reason the pick will at least be a nice sweetener for an additional trade at the deadline. There's also a small chance Knox blossoms and he's just a throw in.

I like the trade for ATL.

The Hornets are going to be a play in team and could easily get bounced in that tournament and be in the lottery.

[Jamaaliver]

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His impact numbers this season are glaringly awful. While the Hawks have been outscored on the season, they are +5.7 points per 100 possessions in the minutes Reddish isn’t on the court. When he plays, they are -10.0 per 100; no other Hawk comes close to matching this difference. If you’re wondering, it’s not dependent on Trae Young either; units with Young and Reddish have been squashed by -13.4 points per 100.


The money issue takes us to the other motivating factor here: With the Hawks having already extended or re-signed Young, John Collins, Kevin Huerter and Capela, it became increasingly likely that one of their other young players would have to move on.


Overall, however, each team can make its case here: The Knicks can say they used a late future first to nab a big wing with starter potential, and the Hawks can say they turned an overtly negative player at present into an asset for the future. How history judges the deal depends largely on Reddish’s ability to convert potential into production.

The Athletic

[CP War Hawks]

Hawks desperately need defensive athleticism. Hopefully Knox takes advantage of that void.

Knox is probably the worst defender I've watched on the Knicks since maybe Calderon was on the team.

I think Knox has a chance to pan out for you guys though, he has a lot of skills and talent and a beautiful looking shot. But he's a pretty weak player mentally and seems to not have a killer instinct or much interest in playing basketball generally speaking. Guys just happy to be here kind of attitude.

But I will say I don't think the Knicks did him any favors, during summer league his rookie year they had him running PnR offense as the ball handler and he looked great in my opinion, but once he got in NBA games they just camped him out on the 3 point line which kind of sounds similar to Reddish role wit the Hawks?

I think in the right place and right scenario Knox could be something, but I wouldn't really bet on it especially with the log jam Hawks have at SF/PF

Well if he wants his QO picked up, he'd better smarten up on that end. The thing that set Cam back is he can't really jump. Not a particularly explosive player. It's probably the main reason he has a career avg. 38% from the field even though he has near elite height/length for his position.

[Spud2nique]

[CP War Hawks]

CHA fan here...

That CHA pick will almost certainly convey this year (injuries permitting). We are currently 23-19 on a 4 game win streak and we have just about the softest schedule in the league remaining for the rest of the year. I think we currently have the 10th best record in the NBA. We have a lot more home games than away games coming up and have already completed both of our West Coast road trips for this season.

I think you could find a really solid player in that 19th-22nd pick range in the draft and for that reason the pick will at least be a nice sweetener for an additional trade at the deadline. There's also a small chance Knox blossoms and he's just a throw in.

I like the trade for ATL.

The Hornets are going to be a play in team and could easily get bounced in that tournament and be in the lottery.

I'd rather the pick conveys in 2023 or 2024. I do not want another pick in 2022.

[HMFFL]

Instead of waiving Knox I hope he can be moved for a piece or future assets.

Or even a Xerox machine or a nice piece of used furniture...

Maybe a dial-up modem from 1998?

Sold

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[HMFFL]

The Knicks Fleeced Atlanta for Cam Reddish. Or Did They?

New York may have just landed a future All-Star for close to nothing—but the Hawks might look like winners in the end



The motivations for New York and Atlanta to do something were clear, but it’s kind of fascinating they chose to do this...On its face, this looks like a potential fleecing by New York. Knox, plus a Charlotte first-rounder that can’t be any better than the no. 15 pick in a couple of years, is all it took to get Reddish, a 22-year-old wing who hung 21 on the eventual champs in a closeout playoff game six months ago? What are we missing?

Maybe it’s as simple as taking Schlenk at his word: that he believed something needed to give with the Hawks, and that decongesting a crowded rotation by redistributing Reddish’s minutes to more efficient and consistent performers (the reportedly disgruntled John Collins, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Kevin Huerter, the just-returned De’Andre Hunter) while recouping a first-rounder and creating a roster spot were worth the cost of losing Reddish’s talent.

Financial concerns surely played a role, too. With all those just-signed extensions about to kick in, dealing Reddish, who becomes eligible for his own extension this summer, relieves the Hawks from having to decide whether to pony up yet again—and provides some additional flexibility to re-up the oft-injured but excellent Hunter, who’s also extension-eligible this summer.

It also might be that Schlenk and Co., after seeing Reddish’s flashes of brilliance mitigated by shot-jacking and underwhelming production, were no longer as enamored of his talent as others are. Reddish has shot just 38.5 percent from the field in his career, with more turnovers (174) than assists (160), and the Hawks have performed significantly better with him off the floor than on it over the past two seasons.

Reddish, who was the no. 3 recruit in his high school class, clearly believes in his ability: “I know I’m nice,” he told Michael Pina of Sports Illustrated before the season. Early in the campaign, with Atlanta struggling out of the gates, Reddish told my Ringer colleague Seerat Sohi that figuring out how to play off the ball and spot up from the corner was “one of the hardest things I had to learn,” but made it clear that he saw it as a temporary condition: “I don’t think that’s gonna be my role forever.”

Schlenk evidently wasn’t convinced Reddish merited either the “increased role” he sought in Atlanta or an extension that could wind up paying in the range of $18 million to $20 million per year. Wings with Reddish’s combination of size (6-foot-8, 217 pounds, 7-foot-1 wingspan), athleticism, defensive upside, and touch (83.3 percent from the free throw line for his career, 37.9 percent from 3-point range on 4.5 attempts per game this season) don’t grow on trees, and they don’t come cheap; as my Ringer teammate Kevin O’Connor put it earlier this week, “Many other teams want [Reddish] because he could be worth it.”

This deal also raises plenty of questions about what comes next: for the Knicks, trying to position themselves for both a postseason push and perhaps an even bigger swing in the star-hunting trade market down the road; for the Hawks, who might have their sights set on a bigger deal, too; and for Reddish, who doesn’t seem content with being a role player and will now try to show he’s a star at the World’s Most Famous Arena. We might see bigger deals before the deadline, but we might not see a more interesting one.

The Ringer

Future All-Star? Huh.......

I don't believe it's a guarantee that Cam will be an all-star. He wanted to be traded and our front office couldn't wait.

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[luciano-davidwesley]

CHA fan here...

That CHA pick will almost certainly convey this year (injuries permitting). We are currently 23-19 on a 4 game win streak and we have just about the softest schedule in the league remaining for the rest of the year. I think we currently have the 10th best record in the NBA. We have a lot more home games than away games coming up and have already completed both of our West Coast road trips for this season.

I think you could find a really solid player in that 19th-22nd pick range in the draft and for that reason the pick will at least be a nice sweetener for an additional trade at the deadline. There's also a small chance Knox blossoms and he's just a throw in.

I like the trade for ATL.

The Hornets are going to be a play in team and could easily get bounced in that tournament and be in the lottery.

And you've provided a lot of logical reasons as to why you've come to that conclusion.

I agree we might get bounced first round but I would be surprised if we don't finish in the top 6 in the East.

[dkb965]

CHA fan here...

That CHA pick will almost certainly convey this year (injuries permitting). We are currently 23-19 on a 4 game win streak and we have just about the softest schedule in the league remaining for the rest of the year. I think we currently have the 10th best record in the NBA. We have a lot more home games than away games coming up and have already completed both of our West Coast road trips for this season.

I think you could find a really solid player in that 19th-22nd pick range in the draft and for that reason the pick will at least be a nice sweetener for an additional trade at the deadline. There's also a small chance Knox blossoms and he's just a throw in.

I like the trade for ATL.

The Hornets are going to be a play in team and could easily get bounced in that tournament and be in the lottery.

And you've provided a lot of logical reasons as to why you've come to that conclusion.

I agree we might get bounced first round but I would be surprised if we don't finish in the top 6 in the East.

The Hornets are only 2 games out of being in the bottom 5 of the conference, so I am surprised you seem to feel that they are a lock to make the playoffs. They are a decent, fun and plucky team and I feel as though they will end up in the play in tournament and have a good shot at the playoffs.

[raleigh]

Yes, please will that pick over this coming year. Cheap production desired.

Anywho, I wonder if you could get Okogie/filler for Knox and a fairy dust 2nd?

[luciano-davidwesley]

The Hornets are going to be a play in team and could easily get bounced in that tournament and be in the lottery.

And you've provided a lot of logical reasons as to why you've come to that conclusion.

I agree we might get bounced first round but I would be surprised if we don't finish in the top 6 in the East.

The Hornets are only 2 games out of being in the bottom 5 of the conference, so I am surprised you seem to feel that they are a lock to make the playoffs. They are a decent, fun and plucky team and I feel as though they will end up in the play in tournament and have a good shot at the playoffs.

We are also only 3 games from the 4th seed. The East is pretty competitive this season, I just feel like we've gone through the hardest part of our schedule and we also have no significant injuries at the mid point of the season (touch wood).

[Jamaaliver]

And you've provided a lot of logical reasons as to why you've come to that conclusion.

I agree we might get bounced first round but I would be surprised if we don't finish in the top 6 in the East.

The Hornets are only 2 games out of being in the bottom 5 of the conference...

We are also only 3 games from the 4th seed.

Gentlemen, let's wrap up this discussion on the playoff hopes of the Charlotte Bobcats. Seems like it's derailing from the topic of hating on Cam Rubbish for betraying my hometown.




Important question for the board: How long do I have to wait until my Cam Reddish Hawks jersey is considered a throwback?

[luciano-davidwesley]

The Hornets are only 2 games out of being in the bottom 5 of the conference...

We are also only 3 games from the 4th seed.

Gentlemen, let's wrap up this discussion on the playoff hopes of the Charlotte Bobcats. Seems like it's derailing from the topic of hating on Cam Rubbish for betraying my hometown.




Important question for the board: How long do I have to wait until my Cam Reddish Hawks jersey is considered a throwback?

Apologies for the OT movement. Also we prefer Horncats

TLDR:

Hawks got rid of Reddish at the right time IMO.

[Spud2nique]

The Hornets are only 2 games out of being in the bottom 5 of the conference...

We are also only 3 games from the 4th seed.

Gentlemen, let's wrap up this discussion on the playoff hopes of the Charlotte Bobcats. Seems like it's derailing from the topic of hating on Cam Rubbish for betraying my hometown.




Important question for the board: How long do I have to wait until my Cam Reddish Hawks jersey is considered a throwback?

Which Cam jersey? I got mine a month after we drafted him.

Ps Got 2 Marv ones too! Lol. 2005 home white and yellow alt.

[Luv those Knicks]

Is it true we’re getting Kevin Knox back in this deal?

Cause I do think he can at least be useful with a real PG on a new team.

Read on Twitter

Knicks fan here. I come in peace.

Knox had a decent rookie season, bad shooting, but not too bad overall, though it was a very bad Knicks team, 17-65. Then his sophomore season he lost playing time to RJ Barrett and others and he hasn't gotten real minutes since then. Knick fans kind of hate him, but he's young and there's a chance he steps up.

Article from after his rookie year. Take it with a grain of salt, but it's not all bad.

https://hoopshabit.com/2019/05/20/new-york-knicks-evaluating-kevin-knoxs-rookie-season/

Maybe the change of scenery will do him good. Thibs didn't seem to like him at all.

[Years90Suns]

If we are going to use that pick in another trade now, then I will shut up.
If not, it is not understandable why we did not get a back up PG using Reddish and Wright or even Louis.

[D21]

I think Cam is worth more BUT I graded it a C because he is going to need a new contract. If the Hawks knew they can not match what he wanted then it makes sense to make him available. I would hope that the Hawks did their due diligence and that the Knicks offer was the best available.

But they all talk like he was getting a new contract this summer while it could be done in 2023 summer... yet, Schlenck certainly saw that because that, Reddish won't play right for the team needs

Yeah, I get all that. Just wonder about how it affects this season. I mean we're supposed to be a win now team.
Maybe it's a precursor to another move....
If it's just a salary move I imagine that he could have waited until the offseason and still been able to get a somewhat similar return

Fact is this team played better last season with injured roster, so if all the other stay healthy, they get more shots and may be in better rhythm. The only potential positive effect I see

Rumor/Talk around town:

The Reddish camp was adamant at exploring his trade value and Reddish was calling for opportunities to showcase his abilities (to perhaps increase his value). This led to some sloppy inefficient play and rubbed some teammates the wrong way (behind closed doors talk).

Exactly what I said last week, media were talking about his good stats, but it was offensive only and he was not playing good defense. It was all on for stats that help getting a better contract.

Maybe the rumor of last summer about a problem with his agent were true. I thought it was temporary and he got back the right agent, but it may have been the same problem. Schlenk certainly saw his agent would be a nightmare once in negotiations.

[D21]

Graded it a C. Just not sure we got enough to justify it. My hope is that Travis is already working on another deal, and the team(s) involved just wanted to avoid Cam's future contract situation. Other than that, we lost a decent prospect in an attempt to reset a rookie contract.

Since some weeks, he was clearly playing more for his individual stats than for the team. His defensive potential was big, but he was not making effort in defense, only focused on scoring. So I would have like a different story, but if it was going to be that kind of play, better trade him now.
He's just the opposite mentality of Huerter who said he didn't search to earn more as it was already a good contract, and with a team he wants to play for. Reddish agent certainly wants twice the salary of Huerter...

[shakes0]

Don’t know about you guys, but I will be rooting hard for Cam to fail miserably. F that selfish POS right in the other ear!