John Collins Edited: (Hawks Seek Lottery Pick For Collins)

[D21]

I can't see a way Collins isn't with you guys after the deadline if I'm honest. That said I was trying to find something that may make at least a little sense if your FO really was against paying him a max contract. By a little sense I mean you guys don't hang up, ponder a moment, and then politely decline.

MIN in: Collins
ATL in: 23 MIN 1st (top 4 prot), 24 swap (top 4 prot), PF from 3rd team

For the third team I was looking at two options:
MEM: Anderson for Culver (Rondo to MIN)
ORL: Gordon for Culver, Snell, 2nds from MIN

So basically you guys get either Kyle Anderson or Aaron Gordon who are starting level PFs that aren't TOO old plus a pick and a swap from a dysfunctional franchise. Your playoff push this year would definitely take a hit since both players I suggested would be worse than Collins, but unless GSW puts the MIN pick on the table I don't know if another team would really beat this offer.

Again, I expect Collins to be with you guys for the next few years. His offense is important and you definitely want to see what you have in Hunter paired with Collins before making any drastic decisions. In theory Trae/Hunter/Collins/Capela is a strong enough core moving forward that you just need to figure out what you want to do at SG and then let your guys develop into hopefully a contender.

PS: Feel free to throw this in the trade thread if you prefer.

We would loose Collins who defends good with Capela, Snell who is on fire and defend or Rondo defense needed in payoffs behind Trae (we can be sure of anything of Dunn at this moment) too get Anderson or Gordon and picks ?
I think we would say goodbye to any potential first round win this year and next year

For Collins contract, guys (staff and him) have to find a way to all agree on the fact that the best model these last twenty years is SAS, that Collins is no better than Ginobili or Parker, and that this team didn't give any Max contract except for Duncan.
If everybody understand it and that it's the best chance at building a contender, they can find a agreement for less than the Max for sure (he was asking 25M/year).
If they finish the season reaching their goal, and see that the team is improving, how can you prefer to risk ending up on a team not being improving like that even if you get a bigger contract. It's not like Max elsewhere or 10M/year here, it's not like he get a bad contract if he's getting 25M/year

[jayu70]

I can't see a way Collins isn't with you guys after the deadline if I'm honest. That said I was trying to find something that may make at least a little sense if your FO really was against paying him a max contract. By a little sense I mean you guys don't hang up, ponder a moment, and then politely decline.

MIN in: Collins
ATL in: 23 MIN 1st (top 4 prot), 24 swap (top 4 prot), PF from 3rd team

For the third team I was looking at two options:
MEM: Anderson for Culver (Rondo to MIN)
ORL: Gordon for Culver, Snell, 2nds from MIN

So basically you guys get either Kyle Anderson or Aaron Gordon who are starting level PFs that aren't TOO old plus a pick and a swap from a dysfunctional franchise. Your playoff push this year would definitely take a hit since both players I suggested would be worse than Collins, but unless GSW puts the MIN pick on the table I don't know if another team would really beat this offer.

Again, I expect Collins to be with you guys for the next few years. His offense is important and you definitely want to see what you have in Hunter paired with Collins before making any drastic decisions. In theory Trae/Hunter/Collins/Capela is a strong enough core moving forward that you just need to figure out what you want to do at SG and then let your guys develop into hopefully a contender.

PS: Feel free to throw this in the trade thread if you prefer.

We'll lose too much interior defense and rebounding with Anderson.
Gordon - next offseason we'd be back in the same situation we are with Collins, deciding if to trade him or resign him exceot he can leave as an UFA.

[VCfor3]

I can't see a way Collins isn't with you guys after the deadline if I'm honest. That said I was trying to find something that may make at least a little sense if your FO really was against paying him a max contract. By a little sense I mean you guys don't hang up, ponder a moment, and then politely decline.

MIN in: Collins
ATL in: 23 MIN 1st (top 4 prot), 24 swap (top 4 prot), PF from 3rd team

For the third team I was looking at two options:
MEM: Anderson for Culver (Rondo to MIN)
ORL: Gordon for Culver, Snell, 2nds from MIN

So basically you guys get either Kyle Anderson or Aaron Gordon who are starting level PFs that aren't TOO old plus a pick and a swap from a dysfunctional franchise. Your playoff push this year would definitely take a hit since both players I suggested would be worse than Collins, but unless GSW puts the MIN pick on the table I don't know if another team would really beat this offer.

Again, I expect Collins to be with you guys for the next few years. His offense is important and you definitely want to see what you have in Hunter paired with Collins before making any drastic decisions. In theory Trae/Hunter/Collins/Capela is a strong enough core moving forward that you just need to figure out what you want to do at SG and then let your guys develop into hopefully a contender.

PS: Feel free to throw this in the trade thread if you prefer.

We'll lose too much interior defense and rebounding with Anderson.
Gordon - next offseason we'd be back in the same situation we are with Collins, deciding if to trade him or resign him exceot he can leave as an UFA.

Anderson actually is very solid on defense. He can do a little interior as well as be better on the perimeter than Collins. I would think that the defense overall would be better with Anderson instead of Collins. Anderson is okay as a rebounder though Collins is fairly elite for a PF. I'd hope Capela would be able to take on the bulk of the rebounding with Anderson doing a lot of boxing out as well as getting his share, but you are right that rebounding would take a bit of a hit. Offense is where the drop off was for me. Though he provides secondary playmaking in a way Collins wouldn't, he isn't remotely close to the scorer Collins is which I think would create a void that others would have trouble filling even when Hunter comes back.

[HMFFL]

League sources say Atlanta is receiving significant trade interest for John Collins from the Celtics, Kings, Mavericks, Pistons, and Timberwolves. The Hawks want one young player and a first-round draft pick to make a deal, or a package of similar value such as multiple first-round picks. For example, league sources say Atlanta wanted Malik Beasley and a first from Minnesota, but the Wolves declined.

 

– via Kevin O'Connor @ The Ringer



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[Jamaaliver]

It seems that Schlenk and the Hawks front office are aggressively pursuing a scoring, defensive back court mate next to Trae.

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...the Atlanta Hawks are becoming increasingly reluctant to move their starting power forward by the March 25 trade deadline, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Furthermore, the Hawks haven’t been overly thrilled with the offerings. For instance, the Dallas Mavericks proposed a package featuring sharpshooter Maxi Kleber, sources said.

Collins, 23, has been a central figure to the miraculous turnaround the Hawks are experiencing and tinkering with the chemistry at this juncture is risky. Team ownership wants wins, and that’s what’s taking place.

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[Jamaaliver]

Is John Collins Worth It?

The Hawks are the hottest team in the NBA, but Collins rumors are flying ahead of the trade deadline. Should Atlanta move him now to avoid a hefty payday this summer? Should a contender like Boston pay the price to get him? Answers are hard to come by.



After three seasons spent mostly on the periphery of the NBA discourse, the 23-year-old power forward is now playing a vital role on a Hawks team that has won eight consecutive games since firing head coach Lloyd Pierce and replacing him with Nate McMillan. That shift, combined with a friendly stretch of schedule and the return of some injured players, has Atlanta in hot pursuit of its first postseason berth since general manager Travis Schlenk took the reins of the franchise in 2017.

So, naturally, all anybody can talk about is when Collins will get traded. So why has the conversation surrounding Collins in the run-up to Thursday’s trade deadline focused on whether Schlenk will move his second- or third-best player?

On an individual level, Collins is a young big who finishes plays rather than creating them for himself; he needs his point guard to share the ball so he can be as productive as possible as he goes after his next contract. (More on that in a second.) From a team perspective, Atlanta’s offense has been closer to average than elite despite Young’s monster numbers.

Collins’s per-game and per-possession numbers are down a tick from last season, when he joined Karl-Anthony Towns as the only players to average 20 points and 10 rebounds per game while shooting 40 percent from 3-point range. They’re still damn good, though. The list of players averaging as many points and rebounds per game this season as Collins, while also posting an effective field goal percentage as high as Collins, is two names long: Nikola Jokic and Giannis Antetokounmpo.

Ultimately, it comes down to how good you think Collins is now and can be in the future. If he’s your second- or third-best player, can you be a real title contender? And if he’s your fourth or fifth best, how could you pay Atlanta what it wants for him and pay him what he’ll be looking for this offseason?

It’s a hell of a riddle to solve. Which is why all this chatter could wind up being much ado about nothing.

The Ringer

[HMFFL]

Mavericks offered Maxi Kleber for Collins. what a joke by Nelson and Cuban. Cuban has slowly turned into a complete joke.

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[D21]

Is John Collins Worth It?

The Hawks are the hottest team in the NBA, but Collins rumors are flying ahead of the trade deadline. Should Atlanta move him now to avoid a hefty payday this summer? Should a contender like Boston pay the price to get him? Answers are hard to come by.



After three seasons spent mostly on the periphery of the NBA discourse, the 23-year-old power forward is now playing a vital role on a Hawks team that has won eight consecutive games since firing head coach Lloyd Pierce and replacing him with Nate McMillan. That shift, combined with a friendly stretch of schedule and the return of some injured players, has Atlanta in hot pursuit of its first postseason berth since general manager Travis Schlenk took the reins of the franchise in 2017.

So, naturally, all anybody can talk about is when Collins will get traded. So why has the conversation surrounding Collins in the run-up to Thursday’s trade deadline focused on whether Schlenk will move his second- or third-best player?

On an individual level, Collins is a young big who finishes plays rather than creating them for himself; he needs his point guard to share the ball so he can be as productive as possible as he goes after his next contract. (More on that in a second.) From a team perspective, Atlanta’s offense has been closer to average than elite despite Young’s monster numbers.

Collins’s per-game and per-possession numbers are down a tick from last season, when he joined Karl-Anthony Towns as the only players to average 20 points and 10 rebounds per game while shooting 40 percent from 3-point range. They’re still damn good, though. The list of players averaging as many points and rebounds per game this season as Collins, while also posting an effective field goal percentage as high as Collins, is two names long: Nikola Jokic and Giannis Antetokounmpo.

Ultimately, it comes down to how good you think Collins is now and can be in the future. If he’s your second- or third-best player, can you be a real title contender? And if he’s your fourth or fifth best, how could you pay Atlanta what it wants for him and pay him what he’ll be looking for this offseason?

It’s a hell of a riddle to solve. Which is why all this chatter could wind up being much ado about nothing.

The Ringer

It still amaze me that they talk like BOS is at the top2 of the Conf and ATL is at the bottom with a great player and lots f things to fix. Come on, ATL has a better record than them while they may have got more injuries
Why helping them ? No deal of John to an Eastern opponent, first rule

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He has handled the weekly rumors well.


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[tbhawksfan1]

What he really means... I want to be a Hawk for life... but not for $4@22.5M

[hawks_fan25]

The deadline can't come soon enough. I just want to know at this point. I'm not sure how we pay him next year, but I think he has proven to be extremely effective/efficient next to Cap and playing off of Trae. His numbers are down, but he's been clutch in the Hawks' wins lately.

I'm for trading him if we aren't going to resign him, but I don't want to get hosed because he's a RFA at the end of the year. It seems like TS isn't satisfied with the offers, so I hope he remains here and we figure something positive out in the offseason. That, or a great offer comes in at the last minute and we get good value.

It feels like we are going to make at least one move, but no idea if it will be a minor one or a major one.

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[jayu70]

John Collins says he’d like to remain with Hawks for entire career: ‘I want to be true to Atlanta’

According to sources aware of the negotiations, the Hawks did not budge on their $90 million offer — it was a take-it-or-leave-it deal, and Collins obviously left it on the table with the belief he could get more money in free agency this coming offseason

With the way negotiations unfolded prior to the season, there was disappointment on Collins’ side of the equation. He felt like he should have been presented a bigger offer; the Hawks felt otherwise. When asked if he felt like the Hawks valued him the way he perceives himself, Collins answered truthfully.

“I definitely feel like there’s always going to be a gap in what I feel like should happen and what they feel like should happen,” Collins said. “I definitely feel like the way I’ve been treated — I have some different takes on it. There’s been a lot of ups and downs in my career thus far and having to deal with a lot of things mentally as a young player. For me, it’s an interesting question. I really feel like it’s all up to what you desire and value on the court and how you gauge that and look at me going into the future. I feel like I go out there and play my heart out and play my butt off on the court. That decision is to be made on (the Hawks’) end. For me, it’s to be proven on the court. I feel like all I can do is prove it basketball-wise.”
Collins did say on Tuesday night that his approach was never “max or bust” this past offseason. In an interview with The Athletic last March, Collins said he viewed himself in max-contract territory but never said he needed a max to feel content — just that he believed he earned that kind of deal.

“For me, there wasn’t necessarily a single number. There’s never been a single number,” Collins said. “I’ve never said, ‘I need a max or I’m only taking a max.’ All I said with my play and what I’ve done, I feel like I should be in max contention or I should be in the caliber or realm of guys who do what I do on the court. That’s all I said. There was never, ‘Oh, I need a five-year max.’ I’ve never said any of that. I just said I felt like I played myself into great position to be talked about with those other guys and be it as it may. That’s what I said. I felt like my play spoke for me and I wanted to continue to let it do that but obviously there are different narratives that are being taken. There’s a lot of stuff that can be misconstrued when it comes to stuff like this. It’s just something I have to take in stride and keep going.”

https://theathletic.com/2473106/2021/03/23/john-collins-says-hed-like-to-remain-with-hawks-for-entire-career-i-want-to-be-true-to-atlanta/

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That's what I want to happen. Keep the young team together. Trade Goodwin and/or Bruno and a minor future pick or two for something to help with the push this year and let the team play

[HMFFL]

I want Collins part of the future. Let's not add talent to only substract because that routine won't lead success.

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[Galloisdaman]

Whether its 22mill or 25 mill you have to keep the guy. Save money in spots 8-15 if you have can.