Mavs & Cavs Draft Pick Watch

[Spud2nique]

Jokic!!!! Game time kids!

[King Ken]

These boys lost two straight games by 1 point. They aren't tanking but they aren't exactly winning. I thought Tim was amazing v. Denver tonight. Outside of his shooting woes, this was a much better performance from Doncic v. Denver. This is the Luka that we been seeing during the 1st half of the season.

[graymule]

Free throws. Mavs lose the game and other close ones at the line. They are rushing closer and closer to the Hawks
and we don't want them to screw us on that "extra" draft pick this off season. Their star misses a lot of free throws...

[thecampster]

These boys lost two straight games by 1 point. They aren't tanking but they aren't exactly winning. I thought Tim was amazing v. Denver tonight. Outside of his shooting woes, this was a much better performance from Doncic v. Denver. This is the Luka that we been seeing during the 1st half of the season.

Actually, I watched the game last night and thought the exact opposite. Yes he got 11 rebounds but he was hanging back to rebound and letting his man leak up court to do so. He was causing bad defensive matchups at the other end by not getting back on defense. He was stat padding. So many of those rebounds came very close to the end line, not near the free throw line. He was out of position constantly on D in transition. Also, he scored 24 points but took 23 shots to do so while only creating 7 free throws for himself. This is extremely inefficient.

Compare this to Trae's last game where he scored 23 points but only took 14 shots to do so while generating 12 free throw attempts.

I've watched a few games with Doncic now and I see the same selfish tendencies. Taking the last 2 games into comparison. Doncic got 10 assists and Trae 8. On paper it seems like a win. But the Mavericks managed as a team only 22 assists and the Hawks 35. This is because the ball begins and ends with Doncic. He iso's the ball a great deal at the top of the key and leads to stagnant offense. He's a one pass player, meaning he's waiting and trying to finish the play on his last pass. Waiting on every play to rebound, holding the ball looking for the cutter are great ways to stat pad but they are terrible for offensive efficiency. They give the other team a chance to rest defensively, discourage ball movement. IMHO, he's a very good stat player but a terrible team player.

Now it could be that I just prefer a 5 on 5 game of basketball, but earlier in the year he was far more efficient. His year to date stats show that. He's averaged 21 ppg on 16.5 shots (better) while rebounding a bit less and averaging 5.4 assists. This means he would defer more earlier in the year and was a better team player. This would also explain his drop in FG% and 3PT% as the year drew on.

[King Ken]

These boys lost two straight games by 1 point. They aren't tanking but they aren't exactly winning. I thought Tim was amazing v. Denver tonight. Outside of his shooting woes, this was a much better performance from Doncic v. Denver. This is the Luka that we been seeing during the 1st half of the season.

Actually, I watched the game last night and thought the exact opposite. Yes he got 11 rebounds but he was hanging back to rebound and letting his man leak up court to do so. He was causing bad defensive matchups at the other end by not getting back on defense. He was stat padding. So many of those rebounds came very close to the end line, not near the free throw line. He was out of position constantly on D in transition. Also, he scored 24 points but took 23 shots to do so while only creating 7 free throws for himself. This is extremely inefficient.

Compare this to Trae's last game where he scored 23 points but only took 14 shots to do so while generating 12 free throw attempts.

I've watched a few games with Doncic now and I see the same selfish tendencies. Taking the last 2 games into comparison. Doncic got 10 assists and Trae 8. On paper it seems like a win. But the Mavericks managed as a team only 22 assists and the Hawks 35. This is because the ball begins and ends with Doncic. He iso's the ball a great deal at the top of the key and leads to stagnant offense. He's a one pass player, meaning he's waiting and trying to finish the play on his last pass. Waiting on every play to rebound, holding the ball looking for the cutter are great ways to stat pad but they are terrible for offensive efficiency. They give the other team a chance to rest defensively, discourage ball movement. IMHO, he's a very good stat player but a terrible team player.

Now it could be that I just prefer a 5 on 5 game of basketball, but earlier in the year he was far more efficient. His year to date stats show that. He's averaged 21 ppg on 16.5 shots (better) while rebounding a bit less and averaging 5.4 assists. This means he would defer more earlier in the year and was a better team player. This would also explain his drop in FG% and 3PT% as the year drew on.

He doesn't get real rebounds. He gets those everyone transitions to offense rebounds. His rebounding isn't like John or Dedmon. It's a lot like Trae but no one on our team does what his teammates do. Our bigs want to rebound. ****, they like getting double doubles. It helps them get paid.

Luka is a terrible defender, I agree. I guess what I was saying is Luka played very good for how he plays the game. But i agree with everything you said. When I say these things, Dallas fans start bitching saying I don't like Luka but he is not a team player. He pads his stats. There is a reason why I am so staunch that Trae is ROY. I been watching Dallas consistently for the last 4 months. Trae is better. He makes more impact.

[thecampster]

Despite the Hawks averaging 3.3 more turnovers per game, they are also averaging almost 5 more shots per game than the Mavericks. The Hawks also average almost 1 rebound per game more. My theory here is Doncic is taking rebounds away from his bigs while failing to get back on defense. His 'rebounding' is actually net negative as most of his rebounds would have been gotten by a big on his team anyway but are leading to easier shots for his opponents. The season totals for the Hawks are skewed by the slow start, the 30 games without a healthy Collins and the general youth of the roster but over the last 30ish games, the Hawks have been a much better team and I believe it has to do with the development of Doncic as a me-first type of player.

[thecampster]

I found stats to back this up. Using NBA.com's stats for the last 15 games. The Hawks are #1 in scoring (119.5) and #18 in plus minus (-.7). The Mavericks over their last 15 are last in scoring at 102.9 and last in +/- at -10.6. This is largely due to their trades at the deadline and elevating Doncic as the primary ball handler, savior of the franchise. The Mavs are 2-13 over that stretch, the Hawks are 6-9. After reading this, I am a little afraid of flip flopping with them in the standings by the end of the year for the lottery.

[thecampster]

These boys lost two straight games by 1 point. They aren't tanking but they aren't exactly winning. I thought Tim was amazing v. Denver tonight. Outside of his shooting woes, this was a much better performance from Doncic v. Denver. This is the Luka that we been seeing during the 1st half of the season.

Actually, I watched the game last night and thought the exact opposite. Yes he got 11 rebounds but he was hanging back to rebound and letting his man leak up court to do so. He was causing bad defensive matchups at the other end by not getting back on defense. He was stat padding. So many of those rebounds came very close to the end line, not near the free throw line. He was out of position constantly on D in transition. Also, he scored 24 points but took 23 shots to do so while only creating 7 free throws for himself. This is extremely inefficient.

Compare this to Trae's last game where he scored 23 points but only took 14 shots to do so while generating 12 free throw attempts.

I've watched a few games with Doncic now and I see the same selfish tendencies. Taking the last 2 games into comparison. Doncic got 10 assists and Trae 8. On paper it seems like a win. But the Mavericks managed as a team only 22 assists and the Hawks 35. This is because the ball begins and ends with Doncic. He iso's the ball a great deal at the top of the key and leads to stagnant offense. He's a one pass player, meaning he's waiting and trying to finish the play on his last pass. Waiting on every play to rebound, holding the ball looking for the cutter are great ways to stat pad but they are terrible for offensive efficiency. They give the other team a chance to rest defensively, discourage ball movement. IMHO, he's a very good stat player but a terrible team player.

Now it could be that I just prefer a 5 on 5 game of basketball, but earlier in the year he was far more efficient. His year to date stats show that. He's averaged 21 ppg on 16.5 shots (better) while rebounding a bit less and averaging 5.4 assists. This means he would defer more earlier in the year and was a better team player. This would also explain his drop in FG% and 3PT% as the year drew on.

He doesn't get real rebounds. He gets those everyone transitions to offense rebounds. His rebounding isn't like John or Dedmon. It's a lot like Trae but no one on our team does what his teammates do. Our bigs want to rebound. ****, they like getting double doubles. It helps them get paid.

Luka is a terrible defender, I agree. I guess what I was saying is Luka played very good for how he plays the game. But i agree with everything you said. When I say these things, Dallas fans start bitching saying I don't like Luka but he is not a team player. He pads his stats. There is a reason why I am so staunch that Trae is ROY. I been watching Dallas consistently for the last 4 months. Trae is better. He makes more impact.

Yep and those 15 game stats I just pulled up shows that he's growing as a rookie and having a better team impact.

[King Ken]

I found stats to back this up. Using NBA.com's stats for the last 15 games. The Hawks are #1 in scoring (119.5) and #18 in plus minus (-.7). The Mavericks over their last 15 are last in scoring at 102.9 and last in +/- at -10.6. This is largely due to their trades at the deadline and elevating Doncic as the primary ball handler, savior of the franchise. The Mavs are 2-13 over that stretch, the Hawks are 6-9. After reading this, I am a little afraid of flip flopping with them in the standings by the end of the year for the lottery.

Its going to be tough for us. Our schedule is going to be hell for the next three weeks and they will trend up soon. They play hard and Carlisle is a very good coach. Luka might need to sit some. He isn't doing his team justice the way he is playing. Since the Barnes trade, his DefRtg is one of the worst in the NBA with a pace under 100. That's insanely bad considering he plays consistent minutes.

I am not sold on the idea that KP will change their fortune and that they will sign either Vucevic or Kemba. I personally see them missing out all together. The media wants them to sign them. That's for sure.

I think they underrated and underestimated how much Barnes, Jordan and Matthews brings to the table as role players.

[cam1218]

The schedule for Dallas is going to lighten up some, hopefully leading to a couple victories. Their next two games are at home against Cleveland and NO. They still have 2 more games against Memphis, and one against Phoenix. They have games against teams fading from the playoff picture who might start tanking too - 2 against Sacramento (one is on the road) and 1 against Minnesota. We can go ahead and say their home game against Phili and games at GS, Portland, and OKC will be loses. Outside of that, it's two road games @ Miami (a playoff team, but under .500) and they end the season against the Spurs, who may very will be resting players depending on playoff seeding. Our win against Memphis wasn't that bad because they are still only .5 games behind Dallas for that 6th spot.

[King Ken]

Despite the Hawks averaging 3.3 more turnovers per game, they are also averaging almost 5 more shots per game than the Mavericks. The Hawks also average almost 1 rebound per game more. My theory here is Doncic is taking rebounds away from his bigs while failing to get back on defense. His 'rebounding' is actually net negative as most of his rebounds would have been gotten by a big on his team anyway but are leading to easier shots for his opponents. The season totals for the Hawks are skewed by the slow start, the 30 games without a healthy Collins and the general youth of the roster but over the last 30ish games, the Hawks have been a much better team and I believe it has to do with the development of Doncic as a me-first type of player.

He does, the bigger issue is he is not Bron or Westbrook off of those empty boards where they go into coast to coast mode. He goes into coast mode. Part of the reason their pace has dropped as much as it has. I personally think he does it because he is tired and wants to slow the game down but the best chance for his current personnel to win is to run. They don't execute well enough or defend well enough to be the current Memphis Grizzles.

[Spud2nique]

Wizards just finished beating the Kings in DC.

Mavs are in sole possession of 6th worst!

Be happy, be sad, be scared and anxious!

Actually don’t worry about it, the basketball Gods got us...

6th isn't good for us. We have a 40% chance of losing the pick. We should be hoping the Mavs can finish 8th which would drop the chances of missing out to around 26%. I would HATE to miss the pick this season, especially God forbid, if Dallas gets #1. Still, sooo many scenarios could play out with the current lottery format. Gonna be the most exciting event in Hawks basketball since the 60 win team lol.

While I do agree with you and the odds are definitely facts, I’ve gone too far in rooting against the Mavs to start rooting for them now. Lol.

Agreed one of the biggest Hawk events for sure.

[turnermx]

Next 2 games for Dallas are big for us... while we play up in Boston they play at home against Cleveland. We will know if they lose that one they are dead serious about the tank.

Then they've got Memphis.. Thats a tank slugfest there lol

[Jamaaliver]

Luka Doncic was heartbroken after Nikola Jokić's buzzer-beater saved Nuggets

Methinks all the losing is taking a toll on Luka:

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[ATL Boy]

We desperately need the Mavs to win a couple of games

[personanongrata]

These boys lost two straight games by 1 point. They aren't tanking but they aren't exactly winning. I thought Tim was amazing v. Denver tonight. Outside of his shooting woes, this was a much better performance from Doncic v. Denver. This is the Luka that we been seeing during the 1st half of the season.

Actually, I watched the game last night and thought the exact opposite. Yes he got 11 rebounds but he was hanging back to rebound and letting his man leak up court to do so. He was causing bad defensive matchups at the other end by not getting back on defense. He was stat padding. So many of those rebounds came very close to the end line, not near the free throw line. He was out of position constantly on D in transition. Also, he scored 24 points but took 23 shots to do so while only creating 7 free throws for himself. This is extremely inefficient.

Compare this to Trae's last game where he scored 23 points but only took 14 shots to do so while generating 12 free throw attempts.

I've watched a few games with Doncic now and I see the same selfish tendencies. Taking the last 2 games into comparison. Doncic got 10 assists and Trae 8. On paper it seems like a win. But the Mavericks managed as a team only 22 assists and the Hawks 35. This is because the ball begins and ends with Doncic. He iso's the ball a great deal at the top of the key and leads to stagnant offense. He's a one pass player, meaning he's waiting and trying to finish the play on his last pass. Waiting on every play to rebound, holding the ball looking for the cutter are great ways to stat pad but they are terrible for offensive efficiency. They give the other team a chance to rest defensively, discourage ball movement. IMHO, he's a very good stat player but a terrible team player.

Now it could be that I just prefer a 5 on 5 game of basketball, but earlier in the year he was far more efficient. His year to date stats show that. He's averaged 21 ppg on 16.5 shots (better) while rebounding a bit less and averaging 5.4 assists. This means he would defer more earlier in the year and was a better team player. This would also explain his drop in FG% and 3PT% as the year drew on.

Doncic is playing with the worst roster in the NBA. They completely gutted the team. He is carrying a tremendous load right now. He is still playing hard and putting up solid numbers, and having to make all three crucial plays. No one would win with this roster.

[Spud2nique]

Next 2 games for Dallas are big for us... while we play up in Boston they play at home against Cleveland. We will know if they lose that one they are dead serious about the tank.

Then they've got Memphis.. Thats a tank slugfest there lol

Whatup Turner? Been a minute hope ur good!

[Adenusi]

Mavs are sitting out Luka, blatant tanking. Just need Dirk to score 60 and we all good

[observer1995]

Not seeing what Cuban is seeing, unless they actually do get free agents this offseason, I think their upside next year is 35-40 wins anyway. Porzingis is good but he hasn't played legitimate games in a while and how good would he be in a "try to win" situation?

[personanongrata]

Not seeing what Cuban is seeing, unless they actually do get free agents this offseason, I think their upside next year is 35-40 wins anyway. Porzingis is good but he hasn't played legitimate games in a while and how good would he be in a "try to win" situation?

They might get Kemba. Word is they are pushing hard to get him this summer.