BUd losing his grip on GMing?

afectar · Post #61 » by **afectar** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:14 pm

For the 1st time since I started watching the Hawks back when they were at their worst during the early 2000's I find myself not wanting to cheer them on. I've almost lost complete interest in them, I use to never miss a game. This roster has so many holes and someone in the organization needs to make some kind of move to fix it.

No Superstar........
Lazy 3pt Defense
Lack of 3pt shooters
Turnover's
Bazemore!!!
ect ect .....

If this Bud being stubborn he needs to be release from GM duties. Granted we are not a bad team, but we aren't even trying to win a championship at this point. Trading players to our biggest rival *CAVS* is a joke.

MaceCase · Post #62 » by **MaceCase** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:20 pm

The RealGM podcast isn't revelatory in the least, just parroting reports that have already long been reported elsewhere...which led to my response. So there's a disagreement amongst the management and the franchise goes in one direction but that's seen as Bud having untold power...despite that looked upon as an extreme rarity, the last person of which held that kind of power went down in flames in a power struggle amongst the previous owners yet the current owner, whom is involved in every other aspect of his franchise but supposedly just not the front office, is oblivious or offering no say?

*breathes*

Ok.

Post #63 » by **Jamaaliver** » Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:22 pm

afectar wrote:This roster has so many holes and someone in the organization needs to make some kind of move to fix it.

If this Bud being stubborn he needs to be release from GM duties. Granted we are not a bad team, but we aren't even trying to win a championship at this point. Trading players to our biggest rival *CAVS* is a joke.

Yeah. The team has gotten progressively worse since he officially took over as Pres.

Ownership isn't oblivious to this. They allowed Budenholzer a lot of power these past few seasons. And they'll hold him accountable for the modest success he's achieved.

We have a bottom five offense and the team's record is approaching Larry Drew levels of mediocrity.

By almost every metric, this team/this roster is worse today than it was when this group purchased the team.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #64 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:58 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
afectar wrote:This roster has so many holes and someone in the organization needs to make some kind of move to fix it.

If this Bud being stubborn he needs to be release from GM duties. Granted we are not a bad team, but we aren't even trying to win a championship at this point. Trading players to our biggest rival *CAVS* is a joke.

Yeah. The team has gotten progressively worse since he officially took over as Pres.

Ownership isn't oblivious to this. They allowed Budenholzer a lot of power these past few seasons. And they'll hold him accountable for the modest success he's achieved.

We have a bottom five offense and the team's record is approaching Larry Drew levels of mediocrity.

By almost every metric, this team/this roster is worse today than it was when this group purchased the team.

Horf ord bolting took them by surprise. The keep Horf with DH and trade Sap was probably the plan and things would've looked a lot better.

Horford kicked the Hawks in the nuts

Post #65 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:38 am

tbhawksfan1 wrote:Horf ord bolting took them by surprise. The keep Horf with DH and trade Sap was probably the plan and things would've looked a lot better.

Horford kicked the Hawks in the nuts

1. Yes. He REALLY did.

2. I honestly think the overpay to Bazemore while trying to low-ball Horford was the final straw.

3. To be fair...he made the right choice. His new team is flirting with the top seed in the playoffs and the top pick in the draft. We're stuck choosing between the treadmill and a rebuild.

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tbhawksfan1 · Post #66 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:20 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
tbhawksfan1 wrote:Horf ord bolting took them by surprise. The keep Horf with DH and trade Sap was probably the plan and things would've looked a lot better.

Horford kicked the Hawks in the nuts

1. Yes. He REALLY did.

2. I honestly think the overpay to Bazemore while trying to low-ball Horford was the final straw.

3. To be fair...he made the right choice. His new team is flirting with the top seed in the playoffs and the top pick in the draft. We're stuck choosing between the treadmill and a rebuild.

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Agree 100% and if I were the BOSS heads would have rolled after last offseason. We would have been working with a NBA compettant GM now and someone would be able to map out the teams long-term strategy.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #67 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:24 am

Horf was one of the best and most intelligent Atlanta Hawks and all we got out of him was one good season. He saw the team floudering and jumped ship after giving them A LOT of chances. Big indictment on Hawks FO

Post #68 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:47 pm

I view our decision t bring in Edy and then waive him after only a year as another example of Bud's shortsightedness.

Read on Twitter

Edy's D-League Stats

It's hard to believe this franchise is better off with R. Kelly than with Tavares who should have had trade potential at the very least.

If we're gonna give up on project big men before they bear fruit -- maybe we should stop drafting them.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #69 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 5:10 pm

put Bebe and Payne in there too. 2 recent firsts. Either bad drafting or bad development. We need help

Post #70 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:57 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:put Bebe and Payne in there too. 2 recent firsts. Either bad drafting or bad development. We need help

In Bud's defense, those were Ferry draft picks who only spent weeks/months under the tutelage of Budenholzer and his staff. And Mike Bud at least moved Payne for future conditional picks.

Tossing Tavares aside for no value? Infuriating. We'd have been better off just leaving him in Europe. At least we'd still control his draft rights.

But, yeah. Throwing away Bebe for cap space and wasting a top 15 pick on Adreian Is pretty frustrating.

Post #71 » by **ATL Boy** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:10 am

Jamaaliver wrote:But, yeah. Throwing away Bebe for cap space and wasting a top 15 pick on Adreian Is pretty frustrating.

Should've just taken Nurkic while we had the chance that draft :nonono:

We needed a center, and wouldn't have had to shell out $23.5 mil to Dwight this past summer.

simon24 · Post #72 » by **simon24** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:04 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
tbhawksfan1 wrote:Horf ord bolting took them by surprise. The keep Horf with DH and trade Sap was probably the plan and things would've looked a lot better.

Horford kicked the Hawks in the nuts

1. Yes. He REALLY did.

2. I honestly think the overpay to Bazemore while trying to low-ball Horford was the final straw.

3. To be fair...he made the right choice. His new team is flirting with the top seed in the playoffs and the top pick in the draft. We're stuck choosing between the treadmill and a rebuild.

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Yeah, all these local media sources swore Horford was a shoe in to be resigned at the 5 year max. Ownership shocked everybody.

Baze took less to return to ATL than what he got offered by Houston.

Right. Looking back I thought Dwight was the right move, figured Bud could replicate SVG's ORL system but I see now that system is dated. Horford was the perfect C for Bud's system.

simon24 · Post #73 » by **simon24** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:11 am

tbhawksfan1 wrote:Horf was one of the best and most intelligent Atlanta Hawks and all we got out of him was one good season. He saw the team floudering and jumped ship after giving them A LOT of chances. Big indictment on Hawks FO

Right. Hopefully they don't make the playoffs this year so ownership forces Bud to stop putting bandaids (resigning Baze/signing Dwight) on a sinking ship.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #74 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:46 pm

Looks like Bud's losing his grip on coaching too. This is not a now team and he's alienating / not developing the future. Schro is tuning him out, which is bad for the short and long term, Prince and Bembry are not getting the minutes they need.

I think Bud's catastrophic GMing and determination to win now without a chance is going to cost him his coaching position as well.

afectar · Post #75 » by **afectar** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:21 pm

As long as we have no 3pt shooting this system will fail.

Post #76 » by **ATL Boy** » Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:56 pm

The fact that we've had to labor through this season with Malcolm Delaney as the backup PG (who in fairness had a good first 3 weeks but has been terrible after that) is a testament to what a terrible job Wilcox/Bud did last summer addressing that position.

I'll lose my mind if I have to watch Delaney as our main backup PG again next season. He's terrible defensively, doesn't do a good job running an offense and can't do anything well other than hit a midrange shot at an average clip. I don't care what the +/- stats were saying earlier this year.

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simon24 · Post #77 » by **simon24** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:11 am

ATL Boy wrote:The fact that we've had to labor through this season with Malcolm Delaney as the backup PG (who in fairness had a good first 3 weeks but has been terrible after that) is a testament to what a terrible job Wilcox/Bud did last summer addressing that position.

I'll lose my mind if I have to watch Delaney as our main backup PG again next season. He's terrible defensively, doesn't do a good job running an offense and can't do anything well other than hit a midrange shot at an average clip. I don't care what the +/- stats were saying earlier this year.

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They should have never traded Mack. Was the asking price for Mack at the deadline too much for ATL? He gets DNPs there.

jayu70 · Post #78 » by **jayu70** » Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:25 pm

ATL Boy wrote:The fact that we've had to labor through this season with Malcolm Delaney as the backup PG (who in fairness had a good first 3 weeks but has been terrible after that) is a testament to what a terrible job Wilcox/Bud did last summer addressing that position.

I'll lose my mind if I have to watch Delaney as our main backup PG again next season. He's terrible defensively, doesn't do a good job running an offense and can't do anything well other than hit a midrange shot at an average clip. I don't care what the +/- stats were saying earlier this year.

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I didn't watch the game. Why did Delaney play over Jose?

Post #79 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sun Mar 26, 2017 11:06 pm

Read on Twitter

After a misguided offseason and a second straight disappointing regular season, there's no way Ressler and crew don't make major front office changes, right?

Any thoughts on Grant Hill's acumen as Front Office decision maker?

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Post #80 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:15 pm

Another AJC columnist looks at our current predicament and sees one obvious solution:

The painful truth is that the depleted recent lineup may be exactly what the Hawks require now, and perhaps for a couple of seasons to come. Painful as starting over may be, that is a place where the Hawks find themselves once more. Millsap surely will move on after this season, leaving this team with even less playing personality and teetering ever more toward the they-really-need-to-stink-their-way-into-the-draft-lottery plan.

Once more the Hawks find themselves a middling team when the only foreseeable route to improvement involves multiple seasons of wretched results. And even that would require the kind of luck and creativity on draft day that this franchise never has possessed in bulk.

Meanwhile, two of the notables the Hawks decided they could do without are contesting for the Eastern Conference summit. Good for Al Horford in Boston and Kyle Korver in Cleveland.

myAJC