2017 Hawks Offseason Thread

[PandaKidd]

If Im Millsap im walking, I know its easy for me to say because "80 million vs 100 million" in my perspective is fine. For him this is his ONLY big contract so if the Hawks offer the max maybe he will take it. Money is money no matter what you do.

But, I also dont get the feeling that Millsap is the money over everything kind of guy either.

He would be a great fit somewhere like SAS/OKC/Washington

If Millsap takes the max offer to stay here -- how long until he's viewed in ATL the way Carmelo is viewed in NYK?

It took less than a year for Kent Bazemore to be considered a burden on one of the worst contracts in the league.

Paul making $30+ million per year to average 16 ppg...man that sounds terrible.

Yeah but its still 30+ million lol

If you asked me to make a bet with you right now, my bet is we offer him a NEAR max, and he leaves to go somewhere else for less money but a better situation. Why stick it out with this team? Unless something major happens, and without a GM currently im not sure how that happens.

[Jamaaliver]

^MAN, I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT.

we should have rebuilt this thing right in 2013. Ship out Smoove, ship out Teague, just be terrible...and we're likely looking at a team built around Al Horford and Giannis. That sounds wonderful.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I honestly don't see Sap falling off a cliff in the next 2-3 years. He's only 32 and isn't reliant on athleticism. Guy just had like 25/11 with 5 assists against the Wizards.

One issue to keep in mind regarding Millsap...he missed a noteworthy amount if time down the stretch of the regular season due to a knee injury.

That has to be factored in when deciding how much to invest in the guy. At best, we're looking at a Joe Johnson type of contract. A massive overpay for a guy still putting up All Star production.

At worst, we're saddled for half a decade with an injury prone, past-his-prime player who is limited greatly on when/if he can play.

Father time comes for us all. And the NBA regular season is unnecessarily beastly.

Sap isn't injury prone though, unless you're trying to say he has a new found ability to be injured. Guys get complaints about issues going on in their bodies all the time. Some just play through it. If Sap's knee issues were serious, I'm sure he wouldn't have played as much as he did in the playoffs.

[Geaux_Hawks]

I don't get the hate for DH. He had his most productive season in a new system not built entirely around him since his Orlando days.

But you cant have it both ways man. Either Bud is inept and took on a player for massive money that he doesnt know how to utilize, OR Howard doesnt want to do anything except what he does (hes not willing to play that role).

either way, ITS BAD.

Im not hating on Dwight Howard, im just saying hes a 13ppg and 12REB 23 MILLION DOLLAR PLAYER. Hes not an impact player anymore. I dont think its as simple as get him the ball in the post. I dont know if he wants to run PnR with DS or if DS wants to run PnR with him.

Sure doesnt look like it.

I think it is a little bit of both. Bud not being used to having a guy like DH, and DH wanting to do things that HE feels he is good at because it is a new situation for him as well. Everything doesn't click at the snap of a finger. Bud's first season had us as an 8th seed with a losing record. It takes time to learn and adjust.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Hey I'm not saying we should go all in on this core because I would rather tear it down and rebuild anyway, but while we do have this core intact, I think there's some upside in the group if things go right.

[PandaKidd]

Hey I'm not saying we should go all in on this core because I would rather tear it down and rebuild anyway, but while we do have this core intact, I think there's some upside in the group if things go right.

The upside , IMO, is at best a 2nd round exit. We have seen that for the past 10 years outside of 1 anomaly (and it was an anomaly).

[Jamaaliver]

I honestly don't see Sap falling off a cliff in the next 2-3 years. He's only 32 and isn't reliant on athleticism. Guy just had like 25/11 with 5 assists against the Wizards.

Hard truth...Millsap is already on the decline. The increase in workload and production hides the decrease in efficiency this past regular season.

He just shot a career worst from the field, posted his worst PER since 2010.

As a result, the team was near the bottom of the barrel on offensive efficiency and suffered one of the worst records of their past few years.

Investing heavily in Millsap this summer would be like purchasing Macy's stock. It's clearly on the decline and there's no reasonable, legitimate expectation that it can or will improve in the foreseeable future.

[tbhawksfan1]

I honestly don't see Sap falling off a cliff in the next 2-3 years. He's only 32 and isn't reliant on athleticism. Guy just had like 25/11 with 5 assists against the Wizards.

Hard truth...Millsap is already on the decline. The increase in workload and production hides the decrease in efficiency this past regular season.

He just shot a career worst from the field, posted his worst PER since 2010.

As a result, the team was a bottom of the barrel of offense and had one of the worst records of the past few years.

Investing heavily in Millsap this summer would be like purchasing Macy's stock. It's clearly on the decline and there's no reasonable, legitimate expectation that it can or will improve in the foreseeable future.

How do people not see this? Howard is well along the same path of decline due to age. Add Baze's super bad deal and the many squandered draft picks and poor FA and cap dealings and the picture is painted. With all this some still use the word contend....?

[tbhawksfan1]

The ONLY way the Hawks will have a chance to contend is if they draft / sign / trade for young guys and develop. We are not going to become big market. We will not suddenly become THE FA destination. We are extremely unlikely to come across such young POTENTIAL with picks outside the lottery.

It takes a couple of top players and a very nice supporting cast to contend. We are so far from that.

[Jamaaliver]

I do think we could squeeze out a single, above board season where we exceed expectations, win 50+ games, nab a top seed.

But we'd inevitable end up losing in the 2nd round as usual and the success would be short lived. Everything would need to go right, and it still wouldn't be sustainable.

There is no quick path to lasting success.

[tbhawksfan1]

I'm surely.......repeating myself, but here's my Hawks offseason

Milsap: He has to walk (likely wants to). He can't help the Hawks contend in the near future and will lose most of his value over the next 3 years. A true contender would love to get a couple of those years and I would love to see Sap balling in the finals.

THJ: overrated by alot of Hawks fans. If he gets anything over 8 million, I don't match. Inconsistant and no D.

D Howard: Based on the GM tradeboard, I'm moving DH for Plumlee / Kaminsky / Sessions / #41. Kaminsky was a #9 pick (2015). Plumlee is bad with bad contract, hopefully Bud could squeeze something out of him. Sessions is filler.

Baze / Minny protected / #60 is moved for Kanter / #21. This trade was approved on trade board by at least one OKC fan and I'm running with it. Kanter was a #3 pick (2011) and is only 24.

Moose: re-signed for depth.

Draft

#19: Justin Jackson SF/SG
#21: Ivan Rabb PF/C
#31 Dwayne Bacon SG
#41 Omer Yurtseven C / PF

Free agents;

Milos Teodocic PG / SG
Jerami Grant SF

Kanter / Kaminsky / Plumlee
Rabb / Moose / Yurtseven
Prince / Jackson / Grant
Bacon / Teodocic / Bembry
Schro / Delaney / Sessions

Of course, this is hypothetical and approximate, but based on trade boared and mock drafts. Hawks start next season YOUNG, in a much better cap situation going forward. Everyone can shoot. They likely fall to bottom 10 teams setting up for a nice draft next offseson. I see this as a fairly quick turn-around opening a potential window in 3 years . Meaning back to the playoffs in 3/4 and getting better there after. Two years of losing, at least two high picks, keep bringing in young FAs to develop to keep or trade and be ready cap-wize to bring in best possible big FA.

[NatiboyB]

The ONLY way the Hawks will have a chance to contend is if they draft / sign / trade for young guys and develop. We are not going to become big market. We will not suddenly become THE FA destination. We are extremely unlikely to come across such young POTENTIAL with picks outside the lottery.

It takes a couple of top players and a very nice supporting cast to contend. We are so far from that.

I will never understand why/how Atlanta isn't a free agent destination. The players literally hang out there all the time and a lot of other celebs.

[Geaux_Hawks]

The ONLY way the Hawks will have a chance to contend is if they draft / sign / trade for young guys and develop. We are not going to become big market. We will not suddenly become THE FA destination. We are extremely unlikely to come across such young POTENTIAL with picks outside the lottery.

It takes a couple of top players and a very nice supporting cast to contend. We are so far from that.

I will never understand why/how Atlanta isn't a free agent destination. The players literally hang out there all the time and a lot of other celebs.

Inept front offices across all sports in Atlanta.

[MaceCase]

The ONLY way the Hawks will have a chance to contend is if they draft / sign / trade for young guys and develop. We are not going to become big market. We will not suddenly become THE FA destination. We are extremely unlikely to come across such young POTENTIAL with picks outside the lottery.

It takes a couple of top players and a very nice supporting cast to contend. We are so far from that.

I will never understand why/how Atlanta isn't a free agent destination. The players literally hang out there all the time and a lot of other celebs.

Can't work where you play.

[atlantabbq99]

The ONLY way the Hawks will have a chance to contend is if they draft / sign / trade for young guys and develop. We are not going to become big market. We will not suddenly become THE FA destination. We are extremely unlikely to come across such young POTENTIAL with picks outside the lottery.

It takes a couple of top players and a very nice supporting cast to contend. We are so far from that.

I will never understand why/how Atlanta isn't a free agent destination. The players literally hang out there all the time and a lot of other celebs.

Not good to have the wife and kids around when you are clubing in Atlanta

[Jamaaliver]

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The Cavs have also denied permission to the Atlanta Hawks for Griffin to interview for their open general manager position, sources said. Griffin, whose contract expires at the end of July, has recently held talks with Cavs owner Dan Gilbert about his future with the team but nothing had been agreed to as of Monday afternoon, sources said.
– via ESPN

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[Geaux_Hawks]

The Cavs have also denied permission to the Atlanta Hawks for Griffin to interview for their open general manager position, sources said. Griffin, whose contract expires at the end of July, has recently held talks with Cavs owner Dan Gilbert about his future with the team but nothing had been agreed to as of Monday afternoon, sources said.
– via ESPN

Good. I don't feel comfortable with Griffin anyway. Think we can do better with someone else.

[tbhawksfan1]

This GM search is about as exciting and encouraging as last season