What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder?

[Jamaaliver]

DeJounte and AJ are solidly in the middle.

Capela is predictably scraping the bottom.

I'm going cross-eyed trying to find where Trae is...

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[Jamaaliver]

All three of our guards rate as worst in the league?!?!? Clearly the result of a lack of off-ball movement.

Man, I hope Trae embraces the possibilities of moving and cutting without the ball.

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[Geaux_Hawks]

All three of our guards rate as worst in the league?!?!? Clearly the result of a lack of off-ball movement.

Man, I hope Trae embraces the possibilities of moving and cutting without the ball.

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We ran an offense that relied on attacking mismatches predominantly thru our guards ironicaly. Not much of a surprise there. We lacked ball movement and no emphasis on shooting 3's. Didn't help that our guards were our only playmakers really.

[jayu70]

All three of our guards rate as worst in the league?!?!? Clearly the result of a lack of off-ball movement.

Man, I hope Trae embraces the possibilities of moving and cutting without the ball.

Reposting from a previous thread in April

I've said before - you have to move Trae off-ball with PURPOSE and INTENTION - not just move to move. Design an actual offense that does that.
McMillan's offense was designed to try and create a mismatch and attack it which leads to one on one play. Nate's offense was about the midrange at the start of the season he said he didn't care what analytics said about 3pt shooting and I think it trickled down to the team. Since Quin has taken over, Trae said the team is getting used to just letting the 3 fly as opposed to waiting for the closeout then attacking. A very antiquated system by Nate.

I'm hoping with Quin we see improvement in the offensive philosophy.

Also Trae played with Alex Len and Dewayne Dedmon as stretch 5's and it was successful.
 
From a December Article:
[b]It's hard to even say McMillan has instituted any kind of offensive system. Any shot the Hawks get is a result of individual creation, almost entirely by either Young or Murray.[/b] The Hawks make the fewest passes per game in the league by a wide margin, and their off-ball movement is virtually nonexistent. [b]Young still hasn't committed to that aspect of his game, and that's on him, but to be fair McMillan hasn't implemented the kind of impromptu screening and cutting culture required to make the movement of a player like Young consistently worthwhile. It takes everyone working together and in anticipation to free up a shooter, not just one guy running around.[/b]
To be fair, the Hawks finished with the No. 2 offense last season playing largely the same way, ..........but the your-turn-my-turn creation philosophy with Young and Murray feels positively pick-upish. There needs to be a system that can create shots for the shot creators. 

McMillan has not proven he's the guy to institute that kind of thing, either because he doesn't believe in such an offense, lacks the creativity to put it in play, or can't get the players, specifically Young, who's used to controlling everything with the ball in his hands, to buy into such a change

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/trae-young-gives-hawks-a-punchers-chance-now-but-their-real-window-should-open-in-a-few-years/amp/

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I can't lie...this would drive me absolutely crazy.

Even if it would result in historically high offensive rating.

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[Jamaaliver]

We gotta move from the blue column to the green on this graphic...

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[jayu70]

We gotta move from the blue column to the green on this graphic...

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We discussed this at the start of the season and as the season progresses that Nate's offense of low volume 3s with low makes wasn't a winning formula.

[Jamaaliver]

Man, I hope we're able to find the balance between a fluid, motion offense that opposing defenses struggle to defend and allowing our top offensive players to thrive, produce and takeover when things grind to a halt and we need a big bucket.

I remember that offense during the 60-win season getting disrupted in the postseason, especially when a key role player (K Korver) was missing from the floor.

We also don't have a Center on the roster who's as good a passer as Horford was.

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[D21]

Man, I hope we're able to find the balance between a fluid, motion offense that opposing defenses struggle to defend and allowing our top offensive players to thrive, produce and takeover when things grind to a halt and we need a big bucket.

I remember that offense during the 60-win season getting disrupted in the postseason, especially when a key role player (K Korver) was missing from the floor.

Don't forget that most of the guys were playing with an injury, it was not only Korver not on the floor, but he was the main reason for sure, and I didn't see any Hawks player moving like him these last years, certainly not Murray who is playing his spot.
Maybe Bogi move a bit like that, but not as efficient, even if he's more efficient than Korver on 1-on-1

We also don't have a Center on the roster who's as good a passer as Horford was.

As good a passer as Horford... and as good a shooter as Horford

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How Hawks Might Regress next Season



Rim Pressure on Offense

John Collins was the most significant loss for the Atlanta Hawks this summer. And even though he had a down year (he posted his first below-average box plus/minus since his rookie campaign), losing him essentially for nothing is tough to spin positively (he was traded for a second-round pick and Rudy Gay, who was flipped to the Oklahoma City Thunder and eventually waived).

There are some intriguing options to fill those Collins minutes at the 4, including Jalen Johnson, De'Andre Hunter and maybe even Onyeka Okongwu (who's more of a 5), but he'll still be missed in some ways.

One in particular is the amount of pressure the team is able to put on the rim.

Now, this certainly has something to do with how often he's shared the floor with Trae Young (one of the game's best lob-passers), but Atlanta's field-goal percentage at the basket has gone up when he's on the floor in each season of his career.

Collins' vertical athleticism and solid understanding of when to cut to the paint helped on that front.

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Dejounte Murray at point guard did not go well for the Hawks last season

Perhaps it was an anomaly – Dejounte Murray did earn his first All-Star appearance and lead the league in steals per game as a lead guard in 2021-22, after all. But that effectiveness did not translate to the Hawks.

At least not when Collins was off the floor.

Atlanta posted a minus-3.9 net rating in 762 possessions with Murray running the point alongside his returning teammates last season, per Cleaning The Glass.

That’s not to say certain groupings did not find success. Lineups with Murray alongside Bogdan Bogdanovic, AJ Griffin, Onyeka Okongwu, and either Saddiq Bey or Jalen Johnson both posted positive net ratings.

It just wasn’t enough to overcome the cumulative score of the negative lineups.

A big selling point of Murray coming to Atlanta was that he would be capable of shouldering the load with Trae Young off the floor. But, again, the numbers did not bear that out last season.

The Hawks have to hope this is where Patty Mills and Kobe Bufkin can help. The veteran, Mills, has been a star for Australia in the 2023 FIBA World Cup. But he’s never been much of a lead guard.

Bufkin is but a rookie, and it’s hard to win consistently relying on rookies.

Both Trae Young and Dejounte Murray off the floor

This one is probably easier said than done, and the Hawks hope they have done enough to make this a non-issue. But the team was understandably bad when their two best players were off the floor last season.

Hawks avoided using Onyeka Okongwu at Power Foward

One of the popular notions among fans is that, if they really wanted to, the Hawks could play fourth-year big man Oneka Okongwu at power forward. He already has the athletic ability and has been working to improve his jump shot over the last two offseasons, in particular.

Hawks shouldn’t fear bench-heavy lineups

This is not to say that the Hawks were against going with bench-heavy groups, though theirs did rank 19th in minutes per game. But there is some evidence that those types of groups – featuring Bogdan Bogdanovic, Saddiq Bey Jalen Johnson, and Onyeka Okongwu – can be successful, namely around Young.

Overall, lineups with the incumbent Hawks reserves on the court with one of Young or Murray posted a plus-12.7 net rating on 825 possessions, ranking in the 98th percentile. And, when it was Young on the floor, their rating jumped to plus-26 (361 possessions, 100th percentile).

Hawks can’t get stuck in their ways

Again, this is not a criticism or even a critique. Instead, it’s just a goal that every team and coaching staff – and fans watching – should have. Being adaptable (and healthy) has become paramount to winning in the NBA.

Zach Kram of The Ringer wrote an article noting the flaws in NBA lineup data on April 13. Kram’s article first points out the issues with small sample sizes and how finding a middle ground can be a difficult task,” says Andrew Patton, a data scientist working on the DARKO projection system, per Kram:

One hundred possessions is not enough. Just throw that away. Fifteen hundred is definitely enough. But in that middle ground is [where] it starts to get tricky.

That is why each lineup’s sample size is also provided for further context.

[Jamaaliver]

Predictions on whether this number increases or decreases next season?

I fear QS will move towards his own preferred system and away from what has worked most effectively for Trae in the past.

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[Geaux_Hawks]

Man, I hope we're able to find the balance between a fluid, motion offense that opposing defenses struggle to defend and allowing our top offensive players to thrive, produce and takeover when things grind to a halt and we need a big bucket.

I remember that offense during the 60-win season getting disrupted in the postseason, especially when a key role player (K Korver) was missing from the floor.

We also don't have a Center on the roster who's as good a passer as Horford was.

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Crazy thing is, that 60 win team needed a Trae Young, and would be perfect around him today since Quin is here as the HC this time.

[Jamaaliver]

IMHO, this is still the ideal model for how to deploy Trae.

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[Jamaaliver]

Overheard in FIBA Twitter this weekend...they aren't wrong.

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[jayu70]

New Radio Interview from yesterday 09/12.  Listen from the 10:30 mark.

https://omny.fm/shows/the-steakhouse/quin-snyder-previews-the-season-and-give-trae-youn

[Jamaaliver]

New Radio Interview from yesterday 09/12.  Listen from the 10:30 mark.

https://omny.fm/shows/the-steakhouse/quin-snyder-previews-the-season-and-give-trae-youn

This is a good listen and really encouraging to hear.

Thanks for posting!!!