ATL Boy wrote:I'd pull the trigger on a draft night trade of Schroder for a pick that would land us Sexton. I'm buying into the young man.
Maybe the Suns would oblige? A vet, proven PG would be a much bigger help to their young core than another make or miss lotto pick.
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We've been talking about Schroder for a while. Booker needs a legit PG but he reminds me too much of Bledsoe for some reason. I think they'd move the Miami pick and a young player but that pick looked a lot better two weeks ago.
You think Atlanta would move him for a pick in the 8-10 range? Obviously Young/Sexton would be gone so it seems to defeat the purpose for ATL.
fromthetop321 wrote:I got Lebron number 1, he is also leading defensive player of the year. Curry's game still reminds me of Jeremy Lin to much.
ATL Boy wrote:I'd pull the trigger on a draft night trade of Schroder for a pick that would land us Sexton. I'm buying into the young man.
Maybe the Suns would oblige? A vet, proven PG would be a much bigger help to their young core than another make or miss lotto pick.
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We've been talking about Schroder for a while. Booker needs a legit PG but he reminds me too much of Bledsoe for some reason. I think they'd move the Miami pick and a young player but that pick looked a lot better two weeks ago.
You think Atlanta would move him for a pick in the 8-10 range? Obviously Young/Sexton would be gone so it seems to defeat the purpose for ATL.
I think it all depends on just how eager Budenholzer/Schlenk are to move on from Schroder and to look for another starting PG option. At this point I'm thinking it's more and more a matter of when and not if they want to move on from him, and an offer of a pick in the 8-10 range might be enough.
Schlenk might have enough ammunition to move up a few spots from 8-10 to maybe take a Colin Sexton.
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DirtyDez wrote:You think Atlanta would move him for a pick in the 8-10 range? Obviously Young/Sexton would be gone so it seems to defeat the purpose for ATL.
I think our GM would absolutely embrace moving D Schröder for a 8-10 pick. Particularly if we get minimal to no salary back in trade.
Our new top exec views himself as a draft guru prepared to pull the next Klay Thompson & Steph Curry from the collegiate ranks.
He's pretty confident in his scouting abilities. Whether it's for Sexton, Trae or Mikal Bridges. I believe the former Warriors personnel man would jump at the possibility to add another lottery selection.
DirtyDez wrote:You think Atlanta would move him for a pick in the 8-10 range? Obviously Young/Sexton would be gone so it seems to defeat the purpose for ATL.
I think our GM would absolutely embrace moving D Schröder for a 8-10 pick. Particularly if we get minimal to no salary back in trade.
That's kinda the opposite of what he said in the last interview he had though.
The choice is keep Dennis or draft a guy we hope will be as good as Dennis in 2-3 years. Only, at that time, we'll have the privilege of paying the new guy probably double.
ATL Boy wrote:I'd pull the trigger on a draft night trade of Schroder for a pick that would land us Sexton. I'm buying into the young man.
Maybe the Suns would oblige? A vet, proven PG would be a much bigger help to their young core than another make or miss lotto pick.
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We've been talking about Schroder for a while. Booker needs a legit PG but he reminds me too much of Bledsoe for some reason. I think they'd move the Miami pick and a young player but that pick looked a lot better two weeks ago.
You think Atlanta would move him for a pick in the 8-10 range? Obviously Young/Sexton would be gone so it seems to defeat the purpose for ATL.
No, Atlanta would not trade Schroder for #8. Hawks would only trade Schroder if they believe Trae Young is the next Damian Lillard, and that would still have to go through alot of vetting. Besides that, Schroder and Luka or Schroder and Ayton would be too good to pass up.
DirtyDez wrote:You think Atlanta would move him for a pick in the 8-10 range? Obviously Young/Sexton would be gone so it seems to defeat the purpose for ATL.
I think our GM would absolutely embrace moving D Schröder for a 8-10 pick. Particularly if we get minimal to no salary back in trade.
That's kinda the opposite of what he said in the last interview he had though.
The choice is keep Dennis or draft a guy we hope will be as good as Dennis in 2-3 years. Only, at that time, we'll have the privilege of paying the new guy probably double.
Yep. Our GM has talked about taking a 'step back' from the playoffs, he's not looking for a lengthy rebuild. Trading young vets for picks ala Philly constitutes a LOOONG REBUILD, and that is what Schlenk says he has no interest in doing. Now, I'm not saying it can't happen, just not for a what is being offered based on Dennis' age, contract and his hopeful future/further development.
I wouldn't take what Schlenk says as gospel. He seems to do opposite of what he tells the media. You really can't control how long a build takes. Chemistry and talent dictates that, and of course key free agents.
I would like Dennis for the long haul, but he's not at his best leading a rebuild. He's best with other established starters with vets. He'd be fun to watch with the Suns or Sixers.
This iteration of Bridges is so much more than a 3-and-D wing.
He’s more than a 3-point shooter and he’s more than a good defender. Defensively, Bridges’ 6’7″ height and 7’1″ wingspan puts fear in opponents. He can guard 1-5 at the college level and should be able to handle 1-4 in the NBA. Bridges has great instincts and recovers well when beaten for pace.
He can get into the body of his opponents and you can’t overstate how valuable his wingspan is. Bridges will often master his weak side rotations and help defense, blocking shots at the rim. As one of college basketball’s elite defenders, he should have NBA teams feeling confident about that translating to the association.
What is there even left to say about Trae Young at this point? Seriously. He is as unfair for college players to guard as Stephen Curry is in the NBA. That is no hyperbole, just facts. Young can pull up from anywhere and he also gets his teammates involved. Shifty with the ball, if you get too close he’ll find his way into the paint.
Mikal Bridges (SG/SF) – Villanova
With strong defense and an improving shot as a sophomore, Mikal Bridges was likely already on draft radars for 2018. He likely was already in the conversation for first round picks. Well, Bridges has certainly built on his sophomore year campaign and looks like a no-doubt lottery pick at Villanova.
Bridges is averaging 17.3 points, 5.8 rebounds, 2.0 steals and 1.5 blocks per game. He has a case as the best non-center defender in college basketball and is continuing to shoot the lights out from deep. At 46 percent from downtown, shooting doesn’t seem like it’ll be problem. As he continues to develop his offensive game, he’ll continue to climb draft boards.
Khyri Thomas (SG) – Creighton
We know by now not to trust every athletic wing or knockdown shooter. For Creighton’s Khyri Thomas, though, he’s the real deal. Thomas is averaging 15.3 points, 4.3 rebounds and 2.7 assists per game, while hitting 43.6 percent of his 3s.
While he’s a bit undersized at 6’3″, he makes up for it with toughness and a punishing wingspan. Thomas should have a chance to guard point guards and shooting guards at the next level. A career 41 percent 3-point shooter on 227 attempts, the shooting seems legitimate. He’s also converted an impressive 61 percent of his shots inside the arc. Expect his name to stick around for first round discussions.
Jamaaliver wrote:I think our GM would absolutely embrace moving D Schröder for a 8-10 pick. Particularly if we get minimal to no salary back in trade.
That's kinda the opposite of what he said in the last interview he had though.
The choice is keep Dennis or draft a guy we hope will be as good as Dennis in 2-3 years. Only, at that time, we'll have the privilege of paying the new guy probably double.
I definitely came away with a different take on Travis' position. Both from that interview and in previous statements:
Spoiler:
kg01 wrote:Interviewed by Jared Greenberg on NBARadio. Here's a kg-brand synopsis ...
- Dennis has stepped up, is he simply a piece of the puzzle or is he a cornerstone ... Right now we've seen growth, hope there is more in it. Honestly, we don't have that franchise guy. Easiest way to get that guy is through draft .... comments from tweet come here.
Schlenk knows exactly how the Warriors became the juggernaut of the NBA.
So, how was it done?
"...it took seven years from that time to when we won our first championship. So you start by getting the right characters in the locker room. You obviously have to get lucky in the draft, which, we were able to get guys like Steph and Klay and Draymond sprinkled seven to 11 all the way to 35.”
I've never really heard any comments by Travis that make be think he is particularly invested in Dennis as a long term floor leader of his team. I have heard Travis mention, many times:
a)getting a franchise cornerstone, b)selecting high character players and c)building up through the draft.
1. Atlanta Hawks: Deandre Ayton (Arizona, C, Freshman)
Each of the top lottery teams could wind up having different players atop their boards. But Deandre Ayton jumps out as an ideal target for an Atlanta Hawks roster that needs another scorer to build around.
Ayton, who has averaged 19.5 points through his first 13 games, is scoring 1.014 points per possession on post-ups (83rd percentile) and is shooting 53.3 percent from 17 feet to the arc. He's given Arizona a go-to option in the half court who demands double-teams since he can create quality shots playing back to the basket (as a scorer and passer) or facing it, where he can rise and fire over his man.
Ayton has been dominant around the basket, where he's shooting 78.9 percent at the rim and has 16 made putbacks.
There are some questions about his defensive intincts, but the 7'1" center has enough length (7'5 ½" wingspan), strength (250 pounds) and foot speed to be effective in one-on-one situations. The Hawks will take their chances on his pick-and-roll coverage and rim protection improving over time. He's too talented and productive to pass up at No. 1 overall, as he has the ideal skill set for a modern-day 5.
4. Orlando Magic: Trae Young (Oklahoma, PG, Freshman)
Arguably the top story in college basketball, Trae Young has everyone buzzing due to his unprecedented production and a style of play that mirrors Stephen Curry's.
Leading the nation in both scoring (28.7) and assists (10.4), Young is torching defenses with dazzling ball skills, brilliant basketball IQ and deep shooting accuracy, making 4.0 three-pointers a game.
Scouts are still hesitant to call Young a top prospect until they see him face Big 12 competition. He's short-armed, weighs only 180 pounds and lacks explosion.
But we've seen enough point guards thrive in the pros with similar limitations. And after Young already went off for 43 points and seven assists against Oregon, 29 and nine against USC and 29 and 10 against Wichita State (all wins), there isn't any reason to think his start has been a fluke.
24. Atlanta Hawks (via Wolves): Grayson Allen (Duke, SG, Senior)
Grayson Allen put up in Duke's loss to Boston College, he's been relatively consistent and far more efficient than last season.
He's demonstrating a balanced mix of off-ball scoring, with 30.7 percent of his offense coming in transition, 20.6 percent out of spot-up situations, 11.6 percent off handoffs and 8.5 percent off screens. And he grades out as either very good or excellent in each department.
He's also in the 92nd percentile in points per possession (1.3) on jump shots.
As long as he continues to demonstrate improved leadership, his athleticism and shot-making should earn him a spot in the first round.
29. Atlanta Hawks (via Rockets): Jalen Hudson (Florida, SG, Junior)
Jalen Hudson is cooling off, but he's still making 2.8 threes per game at a 41.8 percent clip, grading out as excellent in pull-up and spot-up shooting situations by Synergy Sports.
A 6'6" 2-guard, Hudson has been an elite shot-maker, but he doesn't offer much versatility or upside. He's a one-dimensional scorer and non-playmaker at 21 years old.
His shooting could be enough this late in the first round for a team that could use it off the bench.
macd-gm wrote:Hmmm. "Ideal skill set for a modern-day 5" vs. "dazling ball skills, brilliant basketball IQ, deep shooting accuracy"
I know which one i'd choose. For every reason but not the least of which is putting butts in the seats.
I very much want to root for Doncic/Trae in a Hawks jersey for the next 9 years...
Those kids are definitely fun to watch. Will it lead to a title run, though?
Will we be satisfied if he gets us to perennial Conference Finalist but never gets over the hump as a leader on a championship team?
I'll take my chances with a true star / elite scorer over a bunch of really solid players. We know stars can bring other stars and real quality vets into the fold. Ayton maybe a star. I really have no idea but i get less excited about centers in general.
1. Marvin Bagley (Freshman, Duke) – I still have Bagley at the top of my list here because of how polished he has been in the post and banking on that NBA teams can help his jumper. Throw in the fact he’s uber athletic and can score in a variety of ways, I’m a big fan of his game. The question is can he be a decent defender at the next level for me – something that he should be able to do.
2. Luka Doncic (Real Madrid/Slovenia) – Doncic has a little bit of everything in his game, but can really shoot the ball. The numbers he’s currently putting up at Real Madrid are absolutely nuts as he’s putting up 17/5/4 in just 29 minutes per game as an 18-year old. He’ll step in from day one and be able to provide shooting and off ball playmaking.
3. Deandre Ayton (Freshman, Arizona) – The more and more I watch Ayton the more I fall in love with his game. He’s beyond polished, has showcased the ability to step out and hit jumpers and is blocking more than a shot per game. He has been put in some bad defensive positions on the floor when he’s out there with Ristic, but you can see why people are so high on him.
4. Michael Porter Jr. (Freshman, Missouri) – So this is obviously pending whatever NBA doctors find out about his back when the teams do their research. That said, if he comes back with a clean scan and everything like that he’ll be right up there for the No. 1 pick. He’s the prototypical stretch four with good size, the ability to create his own shot and shoot from the outside. 5. Collin Sexton (Freshman, Alabama) – A super athletic point guard that can create for others as well? Yes, please. He’s currently shooting 42% from the 3-point line. If that number stays above the 40% mark, he’s going to continue to be a top-5 prospect.
7. Trae Young (Freshman, Oklahoma) – So the guy who is putting up historic numbers so far this year should be talked about as a top-10 guy. He has decent size at 6’2″ – he just looks smaller due to his weight, something that will change as he’ll likely add 10 pounds with NBA strength departments. He’s an excellent passer and can obviously score with anyone in the country.
9. Miles Bridges (Sophomore, Michigan State) – Another super athletic guy that can play multiple positions. That’s what teams are starting to fall in love with more and more and that’s what Bridges has. His 3-point shooting is down about 5% this year from last year, but the number that is more important is that he’s shooting 93% from the free throw line compared to 68%.
13. Mikal Bridges (Junior, Villanova) – Perhaps the one person who really pushed their value up the most this year so far has been Mikal Bridges. He’s turned into the ultimate 3-and-D type guy with his crazy wingspan and ability to catch and shoot. I do want to see him create his own shot a little bit more but at the next level he likely won’t have to pending on his team/role. 16. Dzanan Musa (Cedevita/Bosnia) – At just 18 years old he’s still a work in progress and that’s evident whenever you watch him attempt to play defense. However, he’s someone who can step in and provide shooting scoring right away.
19. Wendell Carter (Freshman, Duke) – Wendell Carter has been overlooked due to the fact he’s on the same roster as Marvin Bagley and Trevon Duval, but he’s a really strong prospect in his own right. He has the ability to step out and shoot the ball as he’s shooting 50% from the 3-point line on over 1 attempt per game. He can protect the rim at about 2 blocks per game and is an excellent rebounder.
26. Khyri Thomas (Junior, Creighton) – There’s a lot to like about Thomas’ game, most notably the fact he’s been an absolute shutdown defender this year. More importantly he’s continued to grow on the offensive side of the ball, which was always the question with him. He’s upped his free throw shooting, 3pt shooting and points per game so far this year.
Trae is a less accomplished Steph clone, Mikal projects to be a Khris Middleton caliber player, Dzanan has some Peja Stojakovic in his game, Wendell is Horford 2.0 and Khryi will likely grow up to be the next Avery Bradley'.
Bagley should be comparable to Julius Randle. Randle is 6-9 with a 6-11 wingspan, while Bagley is 6-10 with a 7-0 wingspan. They are both high motor tweeners and also both lefties.
Doncic is more of a glue/support guy, an offensively better AK47 with much less defense. And he’s not very good at 1-on-1’s, which makes it hard for playoffs.
Ayton is therefore the safest pick. Hope he can improve his defense.
thr3ep01nte4 wrote:Bagley should be comparable to Julius Randle. Randle is 6-9 with a 6-11 wingspan, while Bagley is 6-10 with a 7-0 wingspan. They are both high motor tweeners and also both lefties.
Doncic is more of a glue/support guy, an offensively better AK47 with much less defense. And he’s not very good at 1-on-1’s, which makes it hard for playoffs.
Ayton is therefore the safest pick. Hope he can improve his defense.
Julius Randle, huh? I was thinking more like John Collins with less polish but more upside.
Ayton as the safest pick in the draft sounds about right, though.
Hawks need to do this rebuild right: priorities: #1 Get a star from this draft
Until we get one, we need one.
#2 Move up as much as possible
The teams rebuild will focus on youth and we need to max this talented draft.
#3 Build a balanced team
Schro, Collins and Prince with Bembry, Dorsey and some euro-stash as the starting point. So far we have 3 firsts and a top second. Add to that and use this draft to put alot of pieces in place.
#4 Play the young guys next year
Will mean another year of losing, butdoesn't mean TS can't be on the look out to add a nice FA. Another top pick and team is stocked and ready to climb.
