Mavs & Cavs Draft Pick Watch

[cam1218]

Our lead over the Mavs is 2.5, but it is 3 games in the loss column. Even today, we have a 10.5% at the first pick and the Mavs have a 9.0% percent change of landing it. That isn't too much of a difference. The big issue would be falling behind Dallas, Washington, Memphis, and NO and seeing our odds drop to 4.5%. Either way, I feel like a lot of craziness is going to happen with the new lottery odds this year. I'd be way more annoyed with our situation if it was Bobby Sura and company back there winning games. Our young core is to blame for these wins and I really can't be mad about them improving.

I know most of you know about this site, but it is good to reference when looking at the lottery odds. http://www.tankathon.com/pick_odds

[ATL Boy]

I'd like for us to start taking some Ls with one of the league's toughest schedules to finish. Dallas is getting too close for my liking.

[NotMyKawhi]

very tough schedule to close the season. don't get down on them for winning tonight. I think you hold on to 5th

I'm not even a hawks fan but I want Zion on the Hawks and for you guys to get a wing with the 6th pick. Give Tobias the full max in the off-season and I'd bet on the hawks making the playoffs next year.

I don't fault them for it, but come on, we aren't doing anything this year, it's a big deal to lose Mavs pick this year and decrease odds at Zion. That could be franchise changing.

Magic won a few games at end of season a few years ago, got Aaron Gordon in the draft while the Sixers tanked the end of season and moved up one spot, got Embiid. That's franchise altering, for a few games at the end of the season.

I understand, but you play playoff teams the rest of the way...you were locked in to #5 whether you won the last 3 games or not imo

I do agree tho that if you lose the Mavs pick this year that's bad...they come back next year w Doncic, KP, top 5 pick and max dollars this off-season.

[peoriabird]

very tough schedule to close the season. don't get down on them for winning tonight. I think you hold on to 5th

I'm not even a hawks fan but I want Zion on the Hawks and for you guys to get a wing with the 6th pick. Give Tobias the full max in the off-season and I'd bet on the hawks making the playoffs next year.

I don't fault them for it, but come on, we aren't doing anything this year, it's a big deal to lose Mavs pick this year and decrease odds at Zion. That could be franchise changing.

Magic won a few games at end of season a few years ago, got Aaron Gordon in the draft while the Sixers tanked the end of season and moved up one spot, got Embiid. That's franchise altering, for a few games at the end of the season.

I understand, but you play playoff teams the rest of the way...you were locked in to #5 whether you won the last 3 games or not imo

I do agree tho that if you lose the Mavs pick this year that's bad...they come back next year w Doncic, KP, top 5 pick and max dollars this off-season.

Dallas won't make the playoff next year either

[IheartTHEhurt]

These Luka-stans are far worse then any stan I have ever dealt with.. All hail Lord Luka who has done nothing for his Lordship. Trae is clearly the more skilled player and I am very happy with our choice. It will just become more and more obvious as the next year or two progress

[NotMyKawhi]

I don't fault them for it, but come on, we aren't doing anything this year, it's a big deal to lose Mavs pick this year and decrease odds at Zion. That could be franchise changing.

Magic won a few games at end of season a few years ago, got Aaron Gordon in the draft while the Sixers tanked the end of season and moved up one spot, got Embiid. That's franchise altering, for a few games at the end of the season.

I understand, but you play playoff teams the rest of the way...you were locked in to #5 whether you won the last 3 games or not imo

I do agree tho that if you lose the Mavs pick this year that's bad...they come back next year w Doncic, KP, top 5 pick and max dollars this off-season.

Dallas won't make the playoff next year either

rumour is their FA target is Kemba

Kemba
Hardaway
Donic
Top 5 pick
KP

That's a decent team...it will be close to the playoffs. you should want it this year

[peoriabird]

I understand, but you play playoff teams the rest of the way...you were locked in to #5 whether you won the last 3 games or not imo

I do agree tho that if you lose the Mavs pick this year that's bad...they come back next year w Doncic, KP, top 5 pick and max dollars this off-season.

Dallas won't make the playoff next year either

rumour is their FA target is Kemba

Kemba
Hardaway
Donic
Top 5 pick
KP

That's a decent team...it will be close to the playoffs. you should want it this year

Not really...The draft just isn't that good this year

[D21]

There was one good point to this one, and one only : NOP loosing means they are still only two wins more than DAL and it let some possibilities to see DAL finishing in tie with more teams higher than ATL, and every of these teams sharing their odds (so having less odds than being 6th alone)
Thanks to WAS for loosing too



But what a lot of people seems to not realize is that the if ATL get Zion and the DAL pick, ATL gets more option for trades, and more chances to sign a big F.A. in the future.
If DAL get Zion, they get more chances at singing big F.A.

More picks now = more options, that's all

I'm sorry, but if DAL, and even Doncic, realize that loosing are increasing their chance to build a contender in the future, this exactly what ATL management and Trae have to realized.
If they continue to win, they can finish up to 9th, and what would it prove ? that are improving ? No, because we know it now, it would not prove anything more than what we already know, it would just be a selfish move for the future

With this improvement, we already know that they can be a better team next year. Ruining the odds of a way better future would be stupid

I'm starting to think that Doncic would give his ROY title to Trae if it means they can get Zion and then sign a big F.A.
He knows that loosing now will help their future, more than winning the ROY title, and I would be sad to see DAL being very smarter than ATL

[peoriabird]

But what a lot of people seems to not realize is that the if ATL get Zion and the DAL pick, ATL gets more option for trades, and more chances to sign a big F.A.

They already have the Dallas pick and can trade the rights to that pick at anytime regardless of whether it conveys this year

[observer1995]

It's weird how split everyone is, but I'm in the camp that what's going on is fine as we're not being Bobby Sura'd. Only time I'll get miffed is wins vs resting playoff teams. But based off games I've seen, there's a simple answer to that I believe. We're too late to pull the "rest" move entirely IMO as it'd be nice to see Trae get all 82 in unless he gets hurt, but if and when we see resting playoff teams, there's a simple answer to that based off what I've watched, let Bazemore play PG and "run" the offense, and limit the main guys to 25 minutes. Problem solved and also decreases the chance of injury.

Maybe I should shut up though, because every time I say "I don't think there's many wins left", we've seen a win. But I'm really not seeing the Hawks getting Philly a 3rd time and Orlando has been a struggle because Collins struggles vs longbois right now.

[peoriabird]

I have a question for the fan base...How does hoping a team gets defeated causes them to loose?

[IheartTHEhurt]

I have a question for the fan base...How does hoping a team gets defeated causes them to loose?

I agree with you and your idea and wanting the rooks to have a winning culture. I do I agree 100% and totally get it man. Here is the thing. They have shown me plenty, and if they go 0-for the rest of the season I would know why and for whom.

What is winning four or five more games when losing another great pick potentially? Trae has my respect so does hurt and Collins.. If they decide to tank all out the rest of the year I will give zero fcks

[peoriabird]

What is winning four or five more games when losing another great pick potentially?

Great pick?? Like who? Zion maybe although we are assuming that he will develop nba skills on offense...big assumption. Morant? We already have a point guard. Please don't mention anyone else on Duke's team as a great pick. They just aren't

[observer1995]

I've seen enough but I'd play it out just with tweaks against playoff teams that rest. It's not going to be doing much to collect wins vs those kinds of teams, so start everybody but cap them in minutes and let Kent Bazemore have his shine (lol).

At this point it's too late for me to do "load management" as I'd like to see Trae Young play every game. It'd be a bit of an accomplishment to me.

[King Ken]

It's weird how split everyone is, but I'm in the camp that what's going on is fine as we're not being Bobby Sura'd. Only time I'll get miffed is wins vs resting playoff teams. But based off games I've seen, there's a simple answer to that I believe. We're too late to pull the "rest" move entirely IMO as it'd be nice to see Trae get all 82 in unless he gets hurt, but if and when we see resting playoff teams, there's a simple answer to that based off what I've watched, let Bazemore play PG and "run" the offense, and limit the main guys to 25 minutes. Problem solved and also decreases the chance of injury.

Maybe I should shut up though, because every time I say "I don't think there's many wins left", we've seen a win. But I'm really not seeing the Hawks getting Philly a 3rd time and Orlando has been a struggle because Collins struggles vs longbois right now.

Can't get Sura'd because none of those guys had a future as members of the org. All of these guys play a role in our future.

[saloonyk8]

The fact is this team NEEDS another All Star. Most likely Trae and Collins will be All stars very soon. The East is weak. We'll at least be sniffing playoffs next year. That means this draft is our last chance to draft an All star caliber player in the top 10. We could have two cracks at that or one. Next year neither Atlanta or Dallas is going to be bottom 7

[saloonyk8]

What is winning four or five more games when losing another great pick potentially?

Great pick?? Like who? Zion maybe although we are assuming that he will develop nba skills on offense...big assumption. Morant? We already have a point guard. Please don't mention anyone else on Duke's team as a great pick. They just aren't

Generally speaking the higher you draft the better prospect you can get. Even in a weak class picking 6-8 better than 12-15 in a strong class. Just look at last year man, it was a very strong class. What studs are around at 12-15?

[saloonyk8]

If Dallas keeps their pick this year, even for trading purposes, everyone and their mom will think Doncic, KP, Hardaway, top 5 pick, and Max FA team isn't likely to be 4-7 next year, and the value of the "future first round pick" will go down tremendously

[peoriabird]

Generally speaking the higher you draft the better prospect you can get. Even in a weak class picking 6-8 better than 12-15 in a strong class. Just look at last year man, it was a very strong class. What studs are around at 12-15?

Not necessarily true....John Collins and Kevin Huerter will probably be better than most players drafted ahead of them. And that is just Schlenk's last 2 and only drafts. We'll see how some of those so called studs turn out because some of them look like bust already starting with D Ayton.

[peoriabird]

There are question marks about JJ, Bamba, Knox, and Wendell Carter so where are the stars? Luka/Trae/ maybe Bagley? Who else?