Appropriately early 2020 NBA Draft Thread

[jayu70]

As I said in your mind your great team has 4 players more valuable than the #1 overall draft pick. I don't think the Lakers, Clippers or Bucks have so many players of great value.

I'm thinking you know it's not that simple. You've asked your overriding question, which is whether or not a MIN/ATL deal makes sense. It seems like you have your answer so ...

Yep one team with a glut at SF the Hawks and a shortage at SG. Another team with a glut at SG the Wolves with a shortage of SFs and the #! overall pick which could be used on SG Anthony Edwards a local Atlanta player. How could we possibly come up with a trade that would help both teams. It's just out of the question.

Let me Clarify, so you understand why we do not have a glut of SF's
1. Huerter is a SG, that the Hawks have used at back PG, never SF (well rarely never)
2. Currently Cam is slotted at SG with the ability to slide in at SF as needed
3. Hunter is our starting SF that has the ability to play PF in our small ball line ups with JC at C (which was one of our more productive lineups to end the season). Our coach has said they are still determining wether Hunter's best spot is at SF or PF
4. No Small Forward Glut.

Also understand SFs with defense and size that can hit the 3 are NBA premiums. With Trae's defensive limitations it is even more important to have these kinds of players on our roster.

[King Ken]

If anything, we need more SFs
Cam plays like a guard
Kevin plays like a guard
Hunter plays like a big forward with range

I hate talking to people who rarely watch us play and they are adamant on a team they never watch to a team we always watch

[shakes0]

Yep one team with a glut at SF the Hawks and a shortage at SG. Another team with a glut at SG the Wolves with a shortage of SFs and the #! overall pick which could be used on SG Anthony Edwards a local Atlanta player. How could we possibly come up with a trade that would help both teams. It's just out of the question.

There's no such thing as a "glut of SF" in the current NBA. You can NEVER have enough good wing players these days.

We have 3 promising wing players in Cam, Hunter and Huerter. All 3 can play other positions besides SF.

You could say there's no such thing as a glut at any position I guess, but the option to turn one of those SFs into a potential (yes potential) all star SG presents itself IMO it should be strongly considered.

That's not true at all. You can have a glut at PG, Center and SG if those players are not multidimensional/positional. Wing is the only position where you can never have too many, especially in today's NBA.

[KGdaBom]

There's no such thing as a "glut of SF" in the current NBA. You can NEVER have enough good wing players these days.

We have 3 promising wing players in Cam, Hunter and Huerter. All 3 can play other positions besides SF.

You could say there's no such thing as a glut at any position I guess, but the option to turn one of those SFs into a potential (yes potential) all star SG presents itself IMO it should be strongly considered.

That's not true at all. You can have a glut at PG, Center and SG if those players are not multidimensional/positional. Wing is the only position where you can never have too many, especially in today's NBA.

So 10 talented SFs with weakness at PG, SG, PF and C would not be considered a glut. Got it.
Do you have one true SG on the team with any talent?
Is Huerter what you would consider a true SG? A guy who can break down the D with dribble drives as well as shoot from distance.

[KGdaBom]

I'm thinking you know it's not that simple. You've asked your overriding question, which is whether or not a MIN/ATL deal makes sense. It seems like you have your answer so ...

Yep one team with a glut at SF the Hawks and a shortage at SG. Another team with a glut at SG the Wolves with a shortage of SFs and the #! overall pick which could be used on SG Anthony Edwards a local Atlanta player. How could we possibly come up with a trade that would help both teams. It's just out of the question.

Let me Clarify, so you understand why we do not have a glut of SF's
1. Huerter is a SG, that the Hawks have used at back PG, never SF (well rarely never)
2. Currently Cam is slotted at SG with the ability to slide in at SF as needed
3. Hunter is our starting SF that has the ability to play PF in our small ball line ups with JC at C (which was one of our more productive lineups to end the season). Our coach has said they are still determining wether Hunter's best spot is at SF or PF
4. No Small Forward Glut.

Also understand SFs with defense and size that can hit the 3 are NBA premiums. With Trae's defensive limitations it is even more important to have these kinds of players on our roster.

Thanks for the clarification. I have heard that SF is Cam's best position, but he's playing SG due to Hunter at the SF. I personally think a true SG let's say Anthony Edwards would be an improvement. However, the #1 pick and Edwards are apparently worthless.On Minnesota Okogie and Culver play the SF, but their best position is SG. However, we now have Beasley who is better than those two at the SG position. We have a glut of SG without one true SF on the team.

[shakes0]

You could say there's no such thing as a glut at any position I guess, but the option to turn one of those SFs into a potential (yes potential) all star SG presents itself IMO it should be strongly considered.

That's not true at all. You can have a glut at PG, Center and SG if those players are not multidimensional/positional. Wing is the only position where you can never have too many, especially in today's NBA.

So 10 talented SFs with weakness at PG, SG, PF and C would not be considered a glut. Got it.
Do you have one true SG on the team with any talent?
Is Huerter what you would consider a true SG? A guy who can break down the D with dribble drives as well as shoot from distance.

you come off like a huge whiny baby. Do you ever not reply with an extreme exaggerated reaction?

Here's you since you came here:

we say: we don't want to trade Collins for the #1 pick
you reply: Oh I guess the #1 is worthless

We say: you can never have a glut at SF
you reply: what if you have 10 of them? (as if anyone would have that many on a roster)

we say: we don't want to package #6 with Hunter, Reddish or Collins
you say: Oh I guess the Hawks believe there is no value in the #1 pick

we say: we want to hang onto our young prospects
you say: oh I guess the Hawks are a great team


You're on our board acting like a whiny condescending little baby. Probably not the best way to go about things. I doubt any of us would go to your board and act like you're acting here.

[KGdaBom]

That's not true at all. You can have a glut at PG, Center and SG if those players are not multidimensional/positional. Wing is the only position where you can never have too many, especially in today's NBA.

So 10 talented SFs with weakness at PG, SG, PF and C would not be considered a glut. Got it.
Do you have one true SG on the team with any talent?
Is Huerter what you would consider a true SG? A guy who can break down the D with dribble drives as well as shoot from distance.

you come off like a huge whiny baby. Do you ever not reply with an extreme exaggerated reaction?

Here's you since you came here:

we say: we don't want to trade Collins for the #1 pick
you reply: Oh I guess the #1 is worthless

We say: you can never have a glut at SF
you reply: what if you have 10 of them? (as if anyone would have that many on a roster)

we say: we don't want to package #6 with Hunter, Reddish or Collins
you say: Oh I guess the Hawks believe there is no value in the #1 pick

we say: we want to hang onto our young prospects
you say: oh I guess the Hawks are a great team


You're on our board acting like a whiny condescending little baby. Probably not the best way to go about things. I doubt any of us would go to your board and act like you're acting here.

Yeah I know I did a couple exaggerations. If you think you have the SG position filled out with the ideal players then there should be no interest on your part for Edwards. I mean you can look at the Hawks like they got everything covered. PG Young. SG Reddish, SF Hunter PF Collins and Center Capela. Yet that team resulted in a very bad record last year. So maybe you need some help somewhere.
From my point of view as a fan of a team that doesn't have one what I would consider true SF on the team I see your collection as a glut. I could say we have Culver, Okogie, layman and Hernangomez at SF, but I don't. None of them meet my idea of a true SF. I don't see you as having one true SG on the team so I see you as having a shortage.

Yes it's an exaggeration when I say you consider the #1 overall pick worthless, but for those of you who believe the Hawks have 4 players that are more valuable than the #1 overall pick that is saying the #1 pick in this years draft is so poor that it' is comparatively worthless.

[jayu70]

You could say there's no such thing as a glut at any position I guess, but the option to turn one of those SFs into a potential (yes potential) all star SG presents itself IMO it should be strongly considered.

That's not true at all. You can have a glut at PG, Center and SG if those players are not multidimensional/positional. Wing is the only position where you can never have too many, especially in today's NBA.

So 10 talented SFs with weakness at PG, SG, PF and C would not be considered a glut. Got it.
Do you have one true SG on the team with any talent?
Is Huerter what you would consider a true SG? A guy who can break down the D with dribble drives as well as shoot from distance.

You just can't help yourself, can you?
Hueter is a SG.

Besides being a long range sniper

Read on Twitter

?s=20

Kevin can also do this:

Read on Twitter

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Now, he needs to be more consitant and aggressive on his drives to get to the free throw line.

In terms of passing ability:

Read on Twitter

?s=20

He is still a WIP.

[shakes0]

So 10 talented SFs with weakness at PG, SG, PF and C would not be considered a glut. Got it.
Do you have one true SG on the team with any talent?
Is Huerter what you would consider a true SG? A guy who can break down the D with dribble drives as well as shoot from distance.

you come off like a huge whiny baby. Do you ever not reply with an extreme exaggerated reaction?

Here's you since you came here:

we say: we don't want to trade Collins for the #1 pick
you reply: Oh I guess the #1 is worthless

We say: you can never have a glut at SF
you reply: what if you have 10 of them? (as if anyone would have that many on a roster)

we say: we don't want to package #6 with Hunter, Reddish or Collins
you say: Oh I guess the Hawks believe there is no value in the #1 pick

we say: we want to hang onto our young prospects
you say: oh I guess the Hawks are a great team


You're on our board acting like a whiny condescending little baby. Probably not the best way to go about things. I doubt any of us would go to your board and act like you're acting here.

Yeah I know I did a couple exaggerations. If you think you have the SG position filled out with the ideal players then there should be no interest on your part for Edwards. I mean you can look at the Hawks like they got everything covered. PG Young. SG Reddish, SF Hunter PF Collins and Center Capela. Yet that team resulted in a very bad record last year. So maybe you need some help somewhere.
From my point of view as a fan of a team that doesn't have one what I would consider true SF on the team I see your collection as a glut. I don't see you as having one true SG on the team so I see you as having a shortage.

pretty much more of your whiny ingenuous nonsense in this post as well.

We never said we had our SG position filled.
We never said we had no interest in Edwards

Pointing to our poor record last season without any context (JC suspension, KH injuries, developing rookies, no center, terrible veterans off the bench) and then using that as a reason to be sarcastic about our young players. Heck, you even included Capela in there before questioning why our record was so bad.

[shakes0]

If it walks like a troll, talks like a troll and acts like a troll.....

[KGdaBom]

That's not true at all. You can have a glut at PG, Center and SG if those players are not multidimensional/positional. Wing is the only position where you can never have too many, especially in today's NBA.

So 10 talented SFs with weakness at PG, SG, PF and C would not be considered a glut. Got it.
Do you have one true SG on the team with any talent?
Is Huerter what you would consider a true SG? A guy who can break down the D with dribble drives as well as shoot from distance.

You just can't help yourself, can you?
Hueter is a SG.

Besides being a long range sniper

Read on Twitter

?s=20

Kevin can also do this:

Read on Twitter

?s=20
Now, he needs to be more consitant and aggressive on his drives to get to the free throw line.

In terms of passing ability:

Read on Twitter

?s=20

He is still a WIP.

OK you got SG covered. What's a WIP? Never mind Work in Progress.
So the Atlanta Hawks

PG covered Young
SG Covered Huerter, Reddish
SF Covered Reddish, Hunter
PF Covered Collins
C Covered Capela

Why are the Hawks so bad? They have everything they need?

Maybe it's just being too young. They are very young. These players develop and you got a contender.

[jayu70]

So 10 talented SFs with weakness at PG, SG, PF and C would not be considered a glut. Got it.
Do you have one true SG on the team with any talent?
Is Huerter what you would consider a true SG? A guy who can break down the D with dribble drives as well as shoot from distance.

you come off like a huge whiny baby. Do you ever not reply with an extreme exaggerated reaction?

Here's you since you came here:

we say: we don't want to trade Collins for the #1 pick
you reply: Oh I guess the #1 is worthless

We say: you can never have a glut at SF
you reply: what if you have 10 of them? (as if anyone would have that many on a roster)

we say: we don't want to package #6 with Hunter, Reddish or Collins
you say: Oh I guess the Hawks believe there is no value in the #1 pick

we say: we want to hang onto our young prospects
you say: oh I guess the Hawks are a great team


You're on our board acting like a whiny condescending little baby. Probably not the best way to go about things. I doubt any of us would go to your board and act like you're acting here.

Yeah I know I did a couple exaggerations. If you think you have the SG position filled out with the ideal players then there should be no interest on your part for Edwards. I mean you can look at the Hawks like they got everything covered. PG Young. SG Reddish, SF Hunter PF Collins and Center Capela. Yet that team resulted in a very bad record last year. So maybe you need some help somewhere.
From my point of view as a fan of a team that doesn't have one what I would consider true SF on the team I see your collection as a glut. I don't see you as having one true SG on the team so I see you as having a shortage.

Again with the over exaggeration, sigh!
Collins missed 25 games
Huerter was on minutes restrictions to start the season forcing the Hawks to start two rookies in Reddish and Hunter.
Capela was traded to us at the deadline and has not played due to an injury - we had Len and Jones as our C rotation
Then I can list the fuster cluck that was the bench of vets that were useless in Parsons, Turner, JParker and Crabbe.

Maybe the Hawks just throw an insane offer to another GA boy to boost their SG depth in Malik Beasley using some of their $46 million in capspace. Keep their #6 pick and fill in the rest of their roster via FAcy or trades.

[jayu70]

So 10 talented SFs with weakness at PG, SG, PF and C would not be considered a glut. Got it.
Do you have one true SG on the team with any talent?
Is Huerter what you would consider a true SG? A guy who can break down the D with dribble drives as well as shoot from distance.

You just can't help yourself, can you?
Hueter is a SG.

Besides being a long range sniper

Read on Twitter

?s=20

Kevin can also do this:

Read on Twitter

?s=20
Now, he needs to be more consitant and aggressive on his drives to get to the free throw line.

In terms of passing ability:

Read on Twitter

?s=20

He is still a WIP.

OK you got SG covered. What's a WIP? Never mind Work in Progress.
So the Atlanta Hawks

PG covered Young
SG Covered Huerter, Reddish
SF Covered Reddish, Hunter
PF Covered Collins
C Covered Capela

Why are the Hawks so bad? They have everything they need?

Maybe it's just being too young. They are very young. These players develop and you got a contender.

WIP - Work in Progress
I answered in my previous post.
And no they don't have everything they need...they have a young group of building blocks. They still need experience and an adequate bench to take the next step.

[KGdaBom]

you come off like a huge whiny baby. Do you ever not reply with an extreme exaggerated reaction?

Here's you since you came here:

we say: we don't want to trade Collins for the #1 pick
you reply: Oh I guess the #1 is worthless

We say: you can never have a glut at SF
you reply: what if you have 10 of them? (as if anyone would have that many on a roster)

we say: we don't want to package #6 with Hunter, Reddish or Collins
you say: Oh I guess the Hawks believe there is no value in the #1 pick

we say: we want to hang onto our young prospects
you say: oh I guess the Hawks are a great team


You're on our board acting like a whiny condescending little baby. Probably not the best way to go about things. I doubt any of us would go to your board and act like you're acting here.

Yeah I know I did a couple exaggerations. If you think you have the SG position filled out with the ideal players then there should be no interest on your part for Edwards. I mean you can look at the Hawks like they got everything covered. PG Young. SG Reddish, SF Hunter PF Collins and Center Capela. Yet that team resulted in a very bad record last year. So maybe you need some help somewhere.
From my point of view as a fan of a team that doesn't have one what I would consider true SF on the team I see your collection as a glut. I don't see you as having one true SG on the team so I see you as having a shortage.

Again with the over exaggeration, sigh!
Collins missed 25 games
Huerter was on minutes restrictions to start the season forcing the Hawks to start two rookies in Reddish and Hunter.
Capela was traded to us at the deadline and has not played due to an injury - we had Len and Jones as our C rotation
Then I can list the fuster cluck that was the bench of vets that were useless in Parsons, Turner, JParker and Crabbe.

Maybe the Hawks just throw an insane offer to another GA boy to boost their SG depth in Malik Beasley using some of their $46 million in capspace. Keep their #6 pick and fill in the rest of their roster via FAcy or trades.

Yep the Hawks are better than their record would indicate based on missing Collins for all those games and Capela never actually playing for you. Also very young at all your primary positions. Beasley IMO would be a huge improvement at your SG position. I don't think he's worth over $12 million a year, but if you want to overpay him by a lot we might not match. I think we would match up to $15 million but not a penny more. That might factor into us drafting Edwards rather than Wiseman.

[KGdaBom]

You just can't help yourself, can you?
Hueter is a SG.

Besides being a long range sniper

Read on Twitter

?s=20

Kevin can also do this:

Read on Twitter

?s=20
Now, he needs to be more consitant and aggressive on his drives to get to the free throw line.

In terms of passing ability:

Read on Twitter

?s=20

He is still a WIP.

OK you got SG covered. What's a WIP? Never mind Work in Progress.
So the Atlanta Hawks

PG covered Young
SG Covered Huerter, Reddish
SF Covered Reddish, Hunter
PF Covered Collins
C Covered Capela

Why are the Hawks so bad? They have everything they need?

Maybe it's just being too young. They are very young. These players develop and you got a contender.

WIP - Work in Progress
I answered in my previous post.
And no they don't have everything they need...they have a young group of building blocks. They still need experience and an adequate bench to take the next step.

I figured out WIP just before you posted this. I agree with your assessment of why they were so bad. I do believe that the Hawks have a somewhat promising future.

[azuresou1]

I don't think Minnesota and Atlanta make sense as trading partners, what Minnesota would want to justify moving down from 1 to 6 is not going to make much sense for Atlanta unless Travis Schlenk REALLY sees something special in Anthony Edwards.

[King Ken]

I don't think Minnesota and Atlanta make sense as trading partners, what Minnesota would want to justify moving down from 1 to 6 is not going to make much sense for Atlanta unless Travis Schlenk REALLY sees something special in Anthony Edwards.

Exactly. I understand why people want to trade with us, our assets but there is a reason we don't want to trade with you, we aren't moving them

[KGdaBom]

I don't think Minnesota and Atlanta make sense as trading partners, what Minnesota would want to justify moving down from 1 to 6 is not going to make much sense for Atlanta unless Travis Schlenk REALLY sees something special in Anthony Edwards.

Exactly. I understand why people want to trade with us, our assets but there is a reason we don't want to trade with you, we aren't moving them

You guys are strong in young Small forwards IMO. If you traded Hunter or Reddish IMO you would barely notice they were gone. If you added Edwards I think you would very much notice he was there. Of all the trade rumors being floated around the internet by the national pundits the most commonly heard one is Reddish or Hunter and #6 for #1. If that doesn't work for your management then no deal will be made between our teams.

If my Wolves stand Pat I want Wiseman, but I wouldn't complain much if we took Edwards. The problem is he competes with Beasley for minutes and displaces Culver and Okogie. I don't like the fit. For Fit I would go Avdija, but he IMO isn't worthy of #1 so we have to execute a trade back with somebody.

[KGdaBom]

I don't think Minnesota and Atlanta make sense as trading partners, what Minnesota would want to justify moving down from 1 to 6 is not going to make much sense for Atlanta unless Travis Schlenk REALLY sees something special in Anthony Edwards.

Total agreement that you would have to love Edwards, but if you do we make perfect sense as trade partners.
Edwards has potential greatness, but not many players live up to their potential. Schlenk would have to feel confident in Edwards to make the deal it would take to get him.

[azuresou1]

I don't think Minnesota and Atlanta make sense as trading partners, what Minnesota would want to justify moving down from 1 to 6 is not going to make much sense for Atlanta unless Travis Schlenk REALLY sees something special in Anthony Edwards.

Exactly. I understand why people want to trade with us, our assets but there is a reason we don't want to trade with you, we aren't moving them

You guys are strong in young Small forwards IMO. If you traded Hunter or Reddish IMO you would barely notice they were gone. If you added Edwards I think you would very much notice he was there. Of all the trade rumors being floated around the internet by the national pundits the most commonly heard one is Reddish or Hunter and #6 for #1. If that doesn't work for your management then no deal will be made between our teams.

If my Wolves stand Pat I want Wiseman, but I wouldn't complain much if we took Edwards. The problem is he competes with Beasley for minutes and displaces Culver and Okogie. I don't like the fit. For Fit I would go Avdija, but he IMO isn't worthy of #1 so we have to execute a trade back with somebody.

Cam Reddish is not quite untouchable but he also kind of is given the discrepancy between his market value and how ATL is valuing him. I wouldn't trade him for the 1 much less with the 6 going out.

I would consider Hunter and 6 for 1 and Okogie coming back, but I know you guys are (rightly) high on Okogie.

I like AntMan and I see the potential, but I have real concerns he is Dion Waiters 2.0.