Atlanta Hawks Trade Proposal Thread -- Part IV

[Geaux_Hawks]

Just an outsider looking at the rumors for the offseason. Would the Hawks be favorable towards a deal involving #1 being sent to the Spurs for #4 and your 2025 1st round pick returned? Assuming Clingan is on the board at 4 still and the Spurs want ZR.

Just my opinion, but anything less than complete control over our future picks owed to SA, is like robbing Peter to pay Paul. We shouldn't be using other assets to get partial control of our picks owed.

[Jamaaliver]

Just an outsider looking at the rumors for the offseason. Would the Hawks be favorable towards a deal involving #1 being sent to the Spurs for #4 and your 2025 1st round pick returned? Assuming Clingan is on the board at 4 still and the Spurs want ZR.

As unpopular as it would be, yeah, our brain trust would have to heavily consider this option.

If they already are leaning towards drafting Clingan, this is essentially icing on top of the proverbial cake.

[dms269]

Just an outsider looking at the rumors for the offseason. Would the Hawks be favorable towards a deal involving #1 being sent to the Spurs for #4 and your 2025 1st round pick returned? Assuming Clingan is on the board at 4 still and the Spurs want ZR.

I don't see 25 being enough to convince the Hawks to do any type of deal. They can't trade away talent and tank with 26 and 27 still being owed.

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[tbhawksfan1]

Just an outsider looking at the rumors for the offseason. Would the Hawks be favorable towards a deal involving #1 being sent to the Spurs for #4 and your 2025 1st round pick returned? Assuming Clingan is on the board at 4 still and the Spurs want ZR.

As unpopular as it would be, yeah, our brain trust would have to heavily consider this option.

If they already are leaning towards drafting Clingan, this is essentially icing on top of the proverbial cake.

So you think that it's a good deal to trade #1 for #4 and a twenties FRP next season or are you already writing off next season as a failure?

[Jamaaliver]

So you think that it's a good deal to trade #1 for #4 and a twenties FRP next season or are you already writing off next season as a failure?

You lost me.

But if Hawks are set on taking Donovan Clingan, trading back and picking up an extra asset is the obvious move.

Whether that extra asset is

• #8 this year,
• or that protected Chicago 1st rounder,
• or our own pick(s) back

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Depends on how committed this front office is to next season...and how committed Trae is to sticking around for next season.

[dms269]

Just an outsider looking at the rumors for the offseason. Would the Hawks be favorable towards a deal involving #1 being sent to the Spurs for #4 and your 2025 1st round pick returned? Assuming Clingan is on the board at 4 still and the Spurs want ZR.

As unpopular as it would be, yeah, our brain trust would have to heavily consider this option.

If they already are leaning towards drafting Clingan, this is essentially icing on top of the proverbial cake.

So you think that it's a good deal to trade #1 for #4 and a twenties FRP next season or are you already writing off next season as a failure?

If the Hawks are going to draft Clingan regardless, then it does make sense to move back and pick something else up.

Of course I prefer it being more than just our 25.

[HMFFL]

Passing on Zaccharie Risacher will be a big mistake if we trade back.

[tbhawksfan1]

Just an outsider looking at the rumors for the offseason. Would the Hawks be favorable towards a deal involving #1 being sent to the Spurs for #4 and your 2025 1st round pick returned? Assuming Clingan is on the board at 4 still and the Spurs want ZR.

As unpopular as it would be, yeah, our brain trust would have to heavily consider this option.

If they already are leaning towards drafting Clingan, this is essentially icing on top of the proverbial cake.

So you think that it's a good deal to trade #1 for #4 and a twenties FRP next season or are you already writing off next season as a failure?

"You lost me.

But if Hawks are set on taking Donovan Clingan, trading back and picking up an extra asset is the obvious move.

Whether that extra asset is
#8 this year,
or that protected Chicago 1st rounder,
or our own pick(s) back"

Because trading #1 for #4 and our 2025 pick back should be viewed as our 2025 FRP being about #20. This Hawks team needs to be put in a position to play up to it's talent level with good FO moves, good coaching and development. Hawks need to win over 45 games next year.

I see Sarr and Clingan having similar floor and Sarr having a way higher ceiling. What is the facination with Clingan?

Trade Murray for a real SG. Trae and Murray didn't fit because Murray didn't like letting Trae be the #1 initiator. Sarr #1 and look to move maybe Hunter and definately CC.

[Jamaaliver]

Because trading #1 for #4 and our 2025 pick back should be viewed as our 2025 FRP being about #20. This Hawks team needs to be put in a position to play up to it's talent level with good FO moves, good coaching and development. Hawks need to win over 45 games next year.

I see Sarr and Clingan having similar floor and Sarr having a way higher ceiling. What is the fascination with Clingan?

Trade Murray for a real SG. Trae and Murray didn't fit because Murray didn't like letting Trae be the #1 initiator. Sarr #1 and look to move maybe Hunter and definately CC.

1. I agree that Alex Sarr has the higher ceiling over Don Clingan.

I believe the appeal is that Clingan is a 280+ pound center with the strength and experience to contribute as a rookie. (He'd be the biggest Center in the East on his first day in the league.) He's an elite rebounder, screener and a surprisingly good passer.

Sarr is an undersized front court player who is likely years away from consistent minutes on a competitive team. (The dude doesn't rebound, screen or box out worth a cuss. Necessary skills from a Center on a playoff team.) At only 224 pounds, he probably isn't even a Center long term.


2. I agree that getting the Hawks 2025 FRP in trade is a limited value add, but it's better than simply taking Clingan #1 and NOT getting an extra FRP, right?

[dms269]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10124391-nba-trade-block-big-board-top-10-targets-and-realistic-deals

Or in other news, BR continues to hate the Hawks.

[Jamaaliver]

Not great value for prime Dejounte Murray on a manageable 4 year contract.

I personally love Wendell Carter. But don't see him as enough of an upgrade over Okongwu to bite.

NOTE: Those draft picks could be attractive if Hawks sent them to a 3rd team for a wing like Mikal Bridges, Lauri Markkanen, Brandon Ingram.

Personally, I'd take Sarr over Clingan and be a little patient for, imo, the greater upside.

My question, assuming ATL drafts Sarr or Clingan, would they seek to unload Capela or Okongwu? I would think Capela on an expiring deal, is the better mentor/placeholder for a rookie Center (I'm not that enamored with OO's long-term upside at C...but I don't really know how ATL looks at him). I'm guessing Okongwu's versatility makes him a better pairing, long-term, with Sarr (or Clingan). Wendell Carter could provide a solid, versatile, upgrade at C immediately (on a great deal) and gracefully transition to PF/C as Sarr earns more time. Carter is a solid, heady, 2-way role model for Okongwu as well and offers similar versatility...Carter is also only 25.

I really want to construct a trade for Murray to ORL and am looking for ways to sweeten the deal by absorbing a player that ATL now finds redundant. I'm not saying Capela or OO don't have value, just that rolling them into a bigger deal would also be useful to ATL, cap-wise.

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 5 protected) ($17m salary)
ATL sends: Dejounte Murray, Clint Capela, Bruno Fernando ($ 50m salary)

[Skybox]

Not great value for prime Dejounte Murray on a manageable 4 year contract.

I personally love Wendell Carter. But don't see him as enough of an upgrade over Okongwu to bite.

NOTE: Those draft picks could be attractive if Hawks sent them to a 3rd team for a wing like Mikal Bridges, Lauri Markkanen, Brandon Ingram.

Personally, I'd take Sarr over Clingan and be a little patient for, imo, the greater upside.

My question, assuming ATL drafts Sarr or Clingan, would they seek to unload Capela or Okongwu? I would think Capela on an expiring deal, is the better mentor/placeholder for a rookie Center (I'm not that enamored with OO's long-term upside at C...but I don't really know how ATL looks at him). I'm guessing Okongwu's versatility makes him a better pairing, long-term, with Sarr (or Clingan). Wendell Carter could provide a solid, versatile, upgrade at C immediately (on a great deal) and gracefully transition to PF/C as Sarr earns more time. Carter is a solid, heady, 2-way role model for Okongwu as well and offers similar versatility...Carter is also only 25.

I really want to construct a trade for Murray to ORL and am looking for ways to sweeten the deal by absorbing a player that ATL now finds redundant. I'm not saying Capela or OO don't have value, just that rolling them into a bigger deal would also be useful to ATL, cap-wise.

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 5 protected) ($17m salary)
ATL sends: Dejounte Murray, Clint Capela, Bruno Fernando ($ 50m salary)

Nice to hear...I think WCJ is woefully underrated (and underutilized in ORL), especially given his contract...I could be cajoled into adding another future frp or swap or gaggle of srps if that got it done...I'm a big fan of Murray and find his fit in ORL to be the ONLY one out there that would involve NO compromise to ORL's defensive identity, while still goosing the offensive backcourt.

[Jamaaliver]

I really want to construct a trade for Murray to ORL and am looking for ways to sweeten the deal by absorbing a player that ATL now finds redundant. I'm not saying Capela or OO don't have value, just that rolling them into a bigger deal would also be useful to ATL, cap-wise.

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 5 protected) ($17m salary)
ATL sends: Dejounte Murray, Clint Capela, Bruno Fernando ($ 50m salary)






Nice to hear...I think WCJ is woefully underrated (and underutilized in ORL), especially given his contract...I could be cajoled into adding another future frp or swap or gaggle of srps if that got it done...I'm a big fan of Murray and find his fit in ORL to be the ONLY one out there that would involve NO compromise to ORL's defensive identity, while still goosing the offensive backcourt.

There's a framework there, but it would likely take a combination of cap relief (for us) and more attractive 1st round picks to get it done.

[jayu70]

Not great value for prime Dejounte Murray on a manageable 4 year contract.

I personally love Wendell Carter. But don't see him as enough of an upgrade over Okongwu to bite.

NOTE: Those draft picks could be attractive if Hawks sent them to a 3rd team for a wing like Mikal Bridges, Lauri Markkanen, Brandon Ingram.

Personally, I'd take Sarr over Clingan and be a little patient for, imo, the greater upside.

My question, assuming ATL drafts Sarr or Clingan, would they seek to unload Capela or Okongwu? I would think Capela on an expiring deal, is the better mentor/placeholder for a rookie Center (I'm not that enamored with OO's long-term upside at C...but I don't really know how ATL looks at him). I'm guessing Okongwu's versatility makes him a better pairing, long-term, with Sarr (or Clingan). Wendell Carter could provide a solid, versatile, upgrade at C immediately (on a great deal) and gracefully transition to PF/C as Sarr earns more time. Carter is a solid, heady, 2-way role model for Okongwu as well and offers similar versatility...Carter is also only 25.

I really want to construct a trade for Murray to ORL and am looking for ways to sweeten the deal by absorbing a player that ATL now finds redundant. I'm not saying Capela or OO don't have value, just that rolling them into a bigger deal would also be useful to ATL, cap-wise.

ORL sends: Wendell Carter, Jett Howard, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (top 5 protected) ($17m salary)
ATL sends: Dejounte Murray, Clint Capela, Bruno Fernando ($ 50m salary)

Nice to hear...I think WCJ is woefully underrated (and underutilized in ORL), especially given his contract...I could be cajoled into adding another future frp or swap or gaggle of srps if that got it done...I'm a big fan of Murray and find his fit in ORL to be the ONLY one out there that would involve NO compromise to ORL's defensive identity, while still goosing the offensive backcourt.

I think WCJ injuries factor into this. Seems to be always battling some injury.

[tbhawksfan1]

Not great value for prime Dejounte Murray on a manageable 4 year contract.

I personally love Wendell Carter. But don't see him as enough of an upgrade over Okongwu to bite.

NOTE: Those draft picks could be attractive if Hawks sent them to a 3rd team for a wing like Mikal Bridges, Lauri Markkanen, Brandon Ingram.

Nice to hear...I think WCJ is woefully underrated (and underutilized in ORL), especially given his contract...I could be cajoled into adding another future frp or swap or gaggle of srps if that got it done...I'm a big fan of Murray and find his fit in ORL to be the ONLY one out there that would involve NO compromise to ORL's defensive identity, while still goosing the offensive backcourt.

I think WCJ injuries factor into this. Seems to be always battling some injury.

WCJ / Black / #18 for Murray / Capela

[atlantabbq99]

https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-trade-proposal-sees-dejounte-murray-clint-capela-in-new-orleans-brandon-ingram-to-atlanta-01j0xnhqzm5a

Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr. and the No. 21 pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Dejounte Murray and Clint Capela....

I like it. I would do the trade.

Hawks can use the 21st pick to get Zach Edey (Filipowski, Yves, Kelel Ware, or Bronny)

OO/Edey
Sarr/Hunter
Jalen/Griffin
Ingram/Bogy
Trae/Kobe

[dms269]

https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-trade-proposal-sees-dejounte-murray-clint-capela-in-new-orleans-brandon-ingram-to-atlanta-01j0xnhqzm5a

Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr. and the No. 21 pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Dejounte Murray and Clint Capela....

I like it. I would do the trade.

Hawks can use the 21st pick to get Zach Edey (Filipowski, Yves, Kelel Ware, or Bronny)

OO/Edey
Sarr/Hunter
Jalen/Griffin
Ingram/Bogy
Trae/Kobe

If you do that trade you have to be prepared to either let Ingram.walk or pay him 50+ million a year.
That team had some major defensive issues as well and a worrisome iso-centric based competition offense.

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[atlantabbq99]

https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-trade-proposal-sees-dejounte-murray-clint-capela-in-new-orleans-brandon-ingram-to-atlanta-01j0xnhqzm5a

Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr. and the No. 21 pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Dejounte Murray and Clint Capela....

I like it. I would do the trade.

Hawks can use the 21st pick to get Zach Edey (Filipowski, Yves, Kelel Ware, or Bronny)

OO/Edey
Sarr/Hunter
Jalen/Griffin
Ingram/Bogy
Trae/Kobe

If you do that trade you have to be prepared to either let Ingram.walk or pay him 50+ million a year.
That team had some major defensive issues as well and a worrisome iso-centric based competition offense.

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I'm good with Ingram. I would find a way to dump Hunter and OO by next year.

[dms269]

https://www.si.com/nba/hawks/news/new-blockbuster-trade-proposal-sees-dejounte-murray-clint-capela-in-new-orleans-brandon-ingram-to-atlanta-01j0xnhqzm5a

Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr. and the No. 21 pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Dejounte Murray and Clint Capela....

I like it. I would do the trade.

Hawks can use the 21st pick to get Zach Edey (Filipowski, Yves, Kelel Ware, or Bronny)

OO/Edey
Sarr/Hunter
Jalen/Griffin
Ingram/Bogy
Trae/Kobe

If you do that trade you have to be prepared to either let Ingram.walk or pay him 50+ million a year.
That team had some major defensive issues as well and a worrisome iso-centric based competition offense.

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I'm good with Ingram. I would find a way to dump Hunter and OO by next year.

To each their own. For me, Ingram is not worth 50 million a year plus. He isn't a 3 shooter and instead opts for long mid-range shots. He isn't a good defender. His offensive game has evolved to co9nsist mainly on iso-centric plays. We will have the same issues with Ingram that we have had with Murray wither neither complimenting the other, only for double the cost.

[Whole Truth]

If you do that trade you have to be prepared to either let Ingram.walk or pay him 50+ million a year.
That team had some major defensive issues as well and a worrisome iso-centric based competition offense.

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I'm good with Ingram. I would find a way to dump Hunter and OO by next year.

To each their own. For me, Ingram is not worth 50 million a year plus. He isn't a 3 shooter and instead opts for long mid-range shots. He isn't a good defender. His offensive game has evolved to co9nsist mainly on iso-centric plays. We will have the same issues with Ingram that we have had with Murray wither neither complimenting the other, only for double the cost.

Under SVG BI was taking 6 APG from 3 at 39 & 38% in his 2 year stint. The following 3yrs under Green around 4 APG at 35%. The iso centric play is a direct result of NO's having no PG. When the zone strangles the offense all 3 of Zion, BI & CJ take turns trying to make difficult shots. NO's had a chart saying Zion took & made the most difficult shots, can't expect that from everyone in that environment. The wall teams throw at ZIon also affect the players around him. BI's 3 level scoring, usually results in BI settling for the mid range where he's still efficient despite 3-4 defenders in the paint area. SVG stint showed a team can get him to be more of a 3pt shooter than the last 3yrs under Green.

Anyone trading for BI IMO is getting a depreciated asset. I think he will make Green & NO's look foolish on his new team.

I can't say he'd be worth a 50m max but I do think he can be a solid #2 with the right direction/situation.