Mavs & Cavs Draft Pick Watch

lethalweapon3 · Post #741 » by **lethalweapon3** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 12:27 am

MAVSPICK NOT-BOTTOM-5 MAGIC #: 4

~lw3

Night Traen · Post #742 » by **Night Traen** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 1:59 am

lethalweapon3 wrote:

MAVSPICK NOT-BOTTOM-5 MAGIC #: 4

~lw3

Here is Cubes wearing one of the shirts I created:

Night Traen · Post #743 » by **Night Traen** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 2:01 am

And here's another:

If he **** me over on this draft pick, I'm gonna be pissed.

thecampster · Post #744 » by **thecampster** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 2:12 am

peoriabird wrote:Are we starting to see a pattern? Doncic plays... Dallas looses. Doncic sits...Dallas wins! Looking like a bad team all star! LOL!

Stat padding never leads to winning. I don't care about the rookie of the year voting. Its the age old argument over the mvp being the best player or the most valuable.

If rookie of the year is best stats, its Luka. If rookie of the year is most valuable to his team, then its Trae in a landslide.

With Luka, Dallas is 27 and 43. They are 3-3 without Luka. Since the trade of Dennis Smith Jr., when Doncic took over full time, they are 5 and 16. Also of note, Luka has missed 6 games this year. Trae has not missed one game.

All that said, when we won today I went into full panic mode over the pick. That Dallas win today went a long way toward calming me. Here's to hoping Doncic is shut down for the season. We want 5 so we have a better chance at 6.

Post #745 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 2:33 am

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D21 · Post #746 » by **D21** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 10:12 am

peoriabird wrote:Are we starting to see a pattern? Doncic plays... Dallas looses. Doncic sits...Dallas wins! Looking like a bad team all star! LOL!

Don't get wrong, I'm all for ATL and Trae, but do you realize that DAL may have asked to Doncic to play like he wants to test things, but to play badly in the 4th quarter ?
I saw games where they were leading until 5 minutes left, and looking like they want to loose. and the last game, Trey Burke who searches a contract is on fire...

I can stand to see one point without looking at the whole thing and the other points, and even if I'm a ATL fan, I'm pretty sure right now that Doncic doesn't care of the ROY title and prefer to stick to the project of DAL building the best team they can make, more than Trae wanting to win games now. ATL is falling into the trap about this supposed race for ROY and if DAL finish with a lower record than ATL, Trae win the ROY, but DAL build a better team than ATL in the end because they have more option, or sign better F.A., they will laugh

It's a good thing to learn to win, but what was this win Vs MIL ? An example of what we said some days ago : a win that doesn't bring anything because MIL was resting guys due to the record lead they have over the league. Well done...

If they continue to win and decrease the odds by finishing above DAL, it will look like some players have a bit of an ego problem, and don't want a guy like Zion in the team. I already suspected Schlenk to have this "ego problem" and be sure to find the players he needs with any spot on the draft. He can be able to to do that, but it also looks like a gamble to let some players win games that give you less option to build the team...

peoriabird · Post #747 » by **peoriabird** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 10:23 am

D21 wrote:
peoriabird wrote:Are we starting to see a pattern? Doncic plays... Dallas looses. Doncic sits...Dallas wins! Looking like a bad team all star! LOL!

Don't get wrong, I'm all for ATL and Trae, but do you realize that DAL may have asked to Doncic to play like he wants to test things, but to play badly in the 4th quarter ?
I saw games where they were leading until 5 minutes left, and looking like they want to loose. and the last game, Trey Burke who searches a contract is on fire...

I can stand to see one point without looking at the whole thing and the other points, and even if I'm a ATL fan, I'm pretty sure right now that Doncic doesn't care of the ROY title and prefer to stick to the project of DAL building the best team they can make, more than Trae wanting to win games now. ATL is falling into the trap about this supposed race for ROY and if DAL finish with a lower record than ATL, Trae win the ROY, but DAL build a better team than ATL in the end because they have more option, or sign better F.A., they will laugh

It's a good thing to learn to win, but what was this win Vs MIL ? An example of what we said some days ago : a win that doesn't bring anything because MIL was resting guys due to the record lead they have over the league. Well done...

If they continue to win and decrease the odds by finishing above DAL, it will look like some players have a bit of an ego problem, and don't want a guy like Zion in the team. I already suspected Schlenk to have this "ego problem" and be sure to find the players he needs with any spot on the draft. He can be able to to do that, but it also looks like a gamble to let some players win games that give you less option to build the team...

You're over thinking this my brother...Dallas isn't asking Doncic to go 0-9 from 3 or to throw games and then ask the team to win when he doesn't play. They play faster without him on the floor period which mean the faster point guards are getting into the paint and setting up teammates for easier shots. As far as the lottery is concern, you will be shock when thing don't go as you and other tankers have predicted. As far as the draft is concerned...I see a bunch of role players with possibly 2 exceptions.

REHawksFan · Post #748 » by **REHawksFan** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 11:21 am

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REHawksFan · Post #749 » by **REHawksFan** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 11:23 am

Damn, dude. You've got this all figured out. Except I don't think the calculus you're using fits this basic math problem. Here, let me break it down for you...

D21 wrote:Don't get wrong, I'm all for ATL and Trae, but do you realize that DAL may have asked to Doncic to play like he wants to test things, but to play badly in the 4th quarter ?

I only WISH this were true. I mean, for Luka to practice playing bad in the 4th quarter on purpose? That would be sweet. But unfortunately, it's just not true. There's ZERO chance he's been instructed to rack up stats and then throw the game in the 4th. I mean, really?

D21 wrote:I saw games where they were leading until 5 minutes left, and looking like they want to loose. and the last game, Trey Burke who searches a contract is on fire...

I can stand to see one point without looking at the whole thing and the other points, and even if I'm a ATL fan, I'm pretty sure right now that Doncic doesn't care of the ROY title and prefer to stick to the project of DAL building the best team they can make, more than Trae wanting to win games now.

News flash man, ALL players want to win. All coaches want to win. Front offices tank. Owners tank. Sure. But players and coaches want to win. Including Luka, Trey Burke, Brunson, etc... To suggest that the Dallas players are losing because they are following orders (except apparently when they don't) but Atlanta players trying to win is idiotic. All players want to win.

D21 wrote:ATL is falling into the trap about this supposed race for ROY and if DAL finish with a lower record than ATL, Trae win the ROY, but DAL build a better team than ATL in the end because they have more option, or sign better F.A., they will laugh

Come on man. The lotto balls gonna do what the lotto balls do. IF Dallas finishes in 5th it doesn't necessarily mean they will keep their pick. AND, even IF they do keep it, there's no guarantee that they get a great player that will help them. Further, at least imo, Dallas is going to be right back in the lottery next season so keeping their pick this year isn't going to be some detriment to the Hawks. Would it be better for the Hawks to get the pick? Sure. But it isn't critical by any stretch.

D21 wrote:It's a good thing to learn to win, but what was this win Vs MIL ? An example of what we said some days ago : a win that doesn't bring anything because MIL was resting guys due to the record lead they have over the league. Well done...

I'll just say what CLP has said. They are trying to learn to win. ANY win in the NBA is hard. They are trying to learn to face late game situations and have success. I'd say they accomplished that yesterday. I really don't care if it was against a D-league squad. They had a late game, stress situation, and succeeded. That breeds confidence and is an experience they can draw from next year when they face the same early in the season.

D21 wrote:If they continue to win and decrease the odds by finishing above DAL, it will look like some players have a bit of an ego problem, and don't want a guy like Zion in the team. I already suspected Schlenk to have this "ego problem" and be sure to find the players he needs with any spot on the draft. He can be able to to do that, but it also looks like a gamble to let some players win games that give you less option to build the team...

Man, this is some funky outer space math you got going on. 1+1 = Cucumber

So the players winning = they don't want Zion = they have an ego problem? :crazy:

Further, because Schlenk thinks he can find quality players anywhere in the draft, that also means he has an ego problem? That's pretty ridiculous.

Finally, I'll just leave with this...let's just enjoy the last few games of our young guns this season and wait to see how it all plays out. There's really no sense in over-thinking everything and coming up with team problems that, by all accounts, aren't there just to explain a narrative that you've concocted in your head.

Post #750 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 1:52 pm

graymule · Post #751 » by **graymule** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 6:28 pm

Hawks have 3 more losses than the Mavs. That's what counts.

Hawks don't need a big load of rookies. We're still not great but we're getting there.

:nod:

personanongrata · Post #752 » by **personanongrata** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 8:43 pm

5th is a lock. I doubt we beat the Spurs and Magic. Mavs are beating Memphis at least once and maybe the Suns too.

D21 · Post #753 » by **D21** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 9:20 pm

peoriabird wrote:You're over thinking this my brother...

Guys, I surely admit that I was a bit playing devil advocate on this one, and pushing things to the limits :-)

but it's just because what we see is something almost no team makes in general. Other teams, while tanking, find a way to lower the level of the team... but strangely, ATL, no... and I still just don't value meaningless W against team resting players as much as the potential loss of option if the we loss odds at the lottery and improve odds of DAL

REHawksFan wrote:Man, this is some funky outer space math you got going on. 1+1 = Cucumbe...

Regarding the 1+1=cucumbe, even if I recognize it, I have a question about comparing things :
Don't you find it strange to talk about the improvement of Trae, and compare it to Doncic having less impact ?these last weeks, without saying a word on the fact that Trae is playing with the same guys since the beginning of the season, while... Doncic is playing with new players who only came in February ?

I'm happy for Trae, but these kinds of incomplete arguments to build a comparison are just something I'm not used to, and that I don't support
It's a bit like comparing orange A with apple B, and say that B is a better apple than A ;-)

graymule wrote::-?
Hawks have 3 more losses than the Mavs. That's what counts.

If I'm not wrong, it's always the column with the lower number that counts more, because this column changes less often than the other
So it should be the W column that matters more for us.
Comparing winning teams, it's the L column that counts.

jayu70 · Post #754 » by **jayu70** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 10:03 pm

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Grizz and Mavs have a 2 game home and matchup Friday and Sunday.

Hazer · Post #755 » by **Hazer** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 10:07 pm

personanongrata wrote:5th is a lock. I doubt we beat the Spurs and Magic. Mavs are beating Memphis at least once and maybe the Suns too.

I just need the Mavs to win 1 more so the Hawks can hit the magic 30.

IheartTHEhurt · Post #756 » by **IheartTHEhurt** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 11:03 pm

They have got to win those games.. The Grizzly are a team of ER patients at this point

IheartTHEhurt · Post #757 » by **IheartTHEhurt** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 11:05 pm

If the Hawks do not get Ziin I want the Grizzlies to get him.. no Cavs, no Suns

peoriabird · Post #758 » by **peoriabird** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 11:44 pm

IheartTHEhurt wrote:If the Hawks do not get Ziin I want the Grizzlies to get him.. no Cavs, no Suns

I have a feeling that the #1 spot will be awarded to a team outside the top 5.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #759 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Mon Apr 1, 2019 11:47 pm

D21 wrote:
graymule wrote::-?
Hawks have 3 more losses than the Mavs. That's what counts.

If I'm not wrong, it's always the column with the lower number that counts more, because this column changes less often than the other
So it should be the W column that matters more for us.
Comparing winning teams, it's the L column that counts.

Honestly, I just wanted to speak about the wins and losses. I agree with your other portion of the post. With only 5 more games to the Dallas 6, and having 3 losses more, we really only need to lose 2 more times and Dallas needs to win 2 more to secure that 5th spot. I suspect Dallas will walk into 2 more wins, while we will lose at least 1 more game easily, and will probably see a random injury that requires Trae to rest for a game resulting in a likely L against some playoff teams. Memphis has lost JV for the season, so that could be the 2 wins right there. Spurs will be fighting to avoid GS, so they may rest a game just to get the better matchup against Denver. That helps us because that could be the easy loss for us, and be one of the wins for Dallas. At the very least, with Burkes seeking a contract next year, I could easily see Dallas going .500 over the next 6 games, which would then only require us to lose 1 more game as that would put us 1 win below them.

jayu70 · Post #760 » by **jayu70** » Tue Apr 2, 2019 12:14 am

Sixers ate sitting Embiid and Butler vs Mavs tonight!