Mavs & Cavs Draft Pick Watch

[personanongrata]

If the Hawks do not get Ziin I want the Grizzlies to get him.. no Cavs, no Suns

I have a feeling that the #1 spot will be awarded to a team outside the top 5.

I think you mean outside the top 4, my good sir.

[peoriabird]

I hope the National media is watching the Mavericks! They are a much better team without the Golden Boy!

[personanongrata]

Mavs win. I think we can officially relax now. Hawks can play to win with no reservation.

[Buzzard]

5th is a lock. I doubt we beat the Spurs and Magic. Mavs are beating Memphis at least once and maybe the Suns too.

I just need the Mavs to win 1 more so the Hawks can hit the magic 30.

You got the 1st part of your wish. On paper Redick, Harris, and Simmons along with their role players should have been enough. They don't play the game on paper though.

[D21]

:-?
Hawks have 3 more losses than the Mavs. That's what counts.

If I'm not wrong, it's always the column with the lower number that counts more, because this column changes less often than the other
So it should be the W column that matters more for us.
Comparing winning teams, it's the L column that counts.

Honestly, I just wanted to speak about the wins and losses. I agree with your other portion of the post. With only 5 more games to the Dallas 6, and having 3 losses more, we really only need to lose 2 more times and Dallas needs to win 2 more to secure that 5th spot. I suspect Dallas will walk into 2 more wins, while we will lose at least 1 more game easily, and will probably see a random injury that requires Trae to rest for a game resulting in a likely L against some playoff teams. Memphis has lost JV for the season, so that could be the 2 wins right there. Spurs will be fighting to avoid GS, so they may rest a game just to get the better matchup against Denver. That helps us because that could be the easy loss for us, and be one of the wins for Dallas. At the very least, with Burkes seeking a contract next year, I could easily see Dallas going .500 over the next 6 games, which would then only require us to lose 1 more game as that would put us 1 win below them.

Don't forget that what would be perfect is DAL finishing with the same record than several teams like MEM and WAS and NOP, because they would all share their odds, and DAL no one of these teams would get the odds of a unique 6th worst record.
It would lead to a coin flip, and with DAL winning, it would mean they would be 6th but with less odds for them, and in case none of these teams jump and get a top4 pick, DAL pick would be the 6th. A dream before and after the lottery !

I hope the National media is watching the Mavericks! They are a much better team without the Golden Boy!

Burkes is fresh, he didn't play as much as Doncic, and they play smaller, but once Porzingis and other F.A. will be playing, I doubt DAL will be better with Burkes than Doncic in the long term.
What you're doing is just taking each time one point only, without context, to bash a player, while we don't need to do it to hope and see Trae become a star.
Both will be great, so come on

[REHawksFan]

What you're doing is just taking each time one point only, without context, to bash a player, while we don't need to do it to hope and see Trae become a star.
Both will be great, so come on

The context is that when Luka plays, he doesn't really make the players around him any better. And he also has an incredibly high usage. So when he plays, the team isn't as good. When he doesn't play, the entire team is involved and they are better. Luka is a great individual talent. He's so good he can rack up a ton of stats. But he'll have to learn to make those around him better if he wants to be the generational type player that he could be.

That's what I love about Trae. As good of an individual talent as he is, he makes the players around him better which makes the team better. That's why you see the team play better as a whole when Trae's usage goes up and he plays well.

[Jamaaliver]

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[graymule]

Loss spread still 3. Mavs didn't change that last night. The end is near.

Hawks may or may not get the Mavs draft pick. We will only find out for sure when they do the lottery balls.
Then, the question becomes, "What do we do now?"

[lethalweapon3]

MAVSPICK NOT-BOTTOM-5 MAGIC #: 3

~lw3

[lethalweapon3]

If we're not sneaking back into the Top 4 this May (with our own pick), then I'll be puling for the lotto balls to bounce the Cavs' way.

Pickwhore that I am, I need Cleveland to leap from 19 or 20 to around 35-to-38 wins. So long as they don't go fishing for a coach who's worse than LD, then adding Zion to a healthier Love, plus Sexton and Nance and whatever puts Cedi back on the bench, ought to do the trick.


~lw3

[Hazer]

If we're not sneaking back into the Top 4 this May (with our own pick), then I'll be puling for the lotto balls to bounce the Cavs' way.

Pickwhore that I am, I need Cleveland to leap from 19 or 20 to around 35-to-38 wins. So long as they don't go fishing for a coach who's worse than LD, then adding Zion to a healthier Love, plus Sexton and Nance and whatever puts Cedi back on the bench, ought to do the trick.


~lw3

Same here, El-Dubya. If we can’t reach Zion, fingers crossed for Cavs. Need their 2020 to finish around 11th-19th in draft order so that Korver 1st conveys and Colonel Schlenk gets another crack at a pick in the teens. Can he pull another Baptist out of the Huert and be 3-for-3? Sexton/Zion/Love, even with El-D at the helm, should land somewhere thereabouts. No way that 3some doesn’t win at least mid-30s.

[Jamaaliver]

NBA Teams That Had a Shot at Zion Williamson but Likely Dropped the Ball

Atlanta Hawks

Atlanta arguably brightened its future as much as anyone this season, so it may not have major regrets about winning at a higher clip than the actual bottom-feeders.

Still, look at what the Hawks have moving forward.

Trae Young should man the lead guard spot for a decade-plus, dismantling defenses as a limitless sniper and crafty shot-creator. Kevin Huerter completes the Splash Brothers East backcourt as a quantity-plus-quality shooter. John Collins is a budding big man with bounce, relentless energy and an expanding offensive arsenal. Taurean Prince, if he's kept, fits as needed on the wing and adds yet another shooting element.

As Andrew Sharp wrote for Sports Illustrated, Zion Williamson would complete this picture and potentially make it a museum-quality masterpiece:

"Zion in Atlanta would mean a decade of alley-oops from Trae Young, and it might mean monthly Fox Sports segments with Dominique Wilkins in which they watch film and discuss various dunks that made opposing players consider retirement. Meanwhile, Zion's passing would be a deadly secondary weapon in pick-and-rolls with Young, John Collins would be a floor-spacing 20-and-10 third option who would also be dunking dudes into oblivion, and Kevin 'Red Velvet' Huerter would be floating around the perimeter and hitting open threes. I don't know if that team could ever guard anyone, but if they are scoring 135 points-per-game on dunks and 30-foot threes and Trae Young floaters, I don't know if it would matter."

Prince is 25 years old. Collins is the next oldest of the group at 21. Add first-year skipper Lloyd Pierce to the equation, and Atlanta—a 43-win team in 2016-17—may have already assembled all the key components of its rebuild.

But Williamson might be just outside the Hawks' reach. Their 10.5 percent odds look decent, per Tankathon, but they fall behind those of this season's four full-fledged tankers—the New York Knicks (14 percent), Phoenix Suns (14 percent), Cleveland Cavaliers (14 percent) and Chicago Bulls (12.5 percent).

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[DirtybirdGA]

Finally catching on to lethals countdown posts. Lol

[cam1218]

It is looking likely at this point we will finish 5th, with the Mavs finishing between 6-9. We are actually a little lucky that there are more competitive-ish teams this year. As of today, our winning percentage is at .364 and that would have had us finishing with the 10th worst record last year. There would be a lot of unhappy people in that situation.

[Hazer]

So far it’s unfolding eggZACKLY according to Colonel Schlenk’s plan. Top 5 odds for Hawks, with a competitive/entertaining learning experience for the Young’ns pushing 30 wins, and Mavs landing almost precisely where our analytics team predicted and their pick conveying to us. Only 2 years in the lottery, back to playoffs in 3rd year of rebuild, just like Schlenk implied and I argued until blue with Dr. Feel-Not-So-Good. Lottery gods need to award the Hawks with 1st and 6th picks for competi-tanking the way Silver and the new odds dictated they should. Take Zion, trade Printz and the 6th for somebody like WCJ or JJJ, sign Kawhi. March out there next year with TrATL, The Huert, Kawhi, Zion, and J-Bap, that’s top 3 in the East. A healthy Love plus Sexton and a top 4 pick this year most likely has Cavs with mid 30s wins, so there’s a 2020 lottery pick for Hawks too. In the teens, just like The Colonel likes ‘em

[Spud2nique]

MAVSPICK NOT-BOTTOM-5 MAGIC #: 3

~lw3

I miss RB! I remember this kid dropped 40 points on the Warriors a few years back. Then fizzled somehow. Pretty good player.

[ATL Boy]

A resounding win against Philly without Luka for Dallas. I'd love for the Hawks to win these last two home games while losing the rest of the roadies.

Dallas falling behind Memphis and even New Orleans is ideal. It'll slightly hurt our pick from likely 7th to likely 9th (according to the odds if they fall from 6th-worst to 8th-worst but it would also significantly increase the chances of that pick conveying to us. Play it safe and get a top 10 pick this year.

[D21]

What you're doing is just taking each time one point only, without context, to bash a player, while we don't need to do it to hope and see Trae become a star.
Both will be great, so come on

The context is that when Luka plays, he doesn't really make the players around him any better. And he also has an incredibly high usage. So when he plays, the team isn't as good. When he doesn't play, the entire team is involved and they are better. Luka is a great individual talent. He's so good he can rack up a ton of stats. But he'll have to learn to make those around him better if he wants to be the generational type player that he could be.

That's what I love about Trae. As good of an individual talent as he is, he makes the players around him better which makes the team better. That's why you see the team play better as a whole when Trae's usage goes up and he plays well.

It's evident that Trae look more like making the other better because he plays PG, and PG only, and it's what you expect from a PG. Doncic played several position, and even if it's right that he has less impact these last weeks, he also got all new players with some playing for their next contract.
Would Trae have been at this level if half of the team was changed in February ? We can't be sure

If we take the horrible first weeks of Trae, yes he look like the ROY, but why don't we delete the bad period of Doncic, then ?
I don't care about the ROY and who will wins it, because it won't change the fact that Trae or Doncic may win a NBA title one day with their team without having won the ROY, but if we have to look at some stats, let's look at all the stats :



Trae rating on 100 poss : 107off 117def
Doncic : 106off 109def

WinShare is also better for Doncic because of the defensive impact
Yes, ATL have a great offense with Trae, but the defense is better for DAL with Doncic than for ATL with Trae
BoxPlusMinus gives the same result, and ValueOverReplacementPlayer too

So Doncic is not only raking individual stats, or Trae is also doing it

At the end, I like both players, and feel that Trae is a good choice because is also the one that will be able to give ATL more media coverage and fun, which was lacking since Do

[dms269]

How did this thread turn into yet another Trae v.s. Luka thread.

Get it back on topic.

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[jayu70]

How did this thread turn into yet another Trae v.s. Luka thread.

Get it back on topic.

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