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Post#81 » by MaceCase » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:11 pm

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PandaKidd wrote:They can do whatever they want, but, I would think after locking up the #1 seed and having so much on the line, you would be a little more prudent then going out to a club at 4am the night OF a game AFTER a game.

It was stupid, no matter how many excuses you make.

No one is saying to be a hermit, but use a little common sense.


Common sense says nothing bad is going to happen. That's my point.

Again, this was not the slums they went to. They went to a upscale place meant to handle upscale clientele. If they were at some strip club at 4 am, I would have definitely had a problem with it. If they HADN'T just had a game, I would have a problem with it because that would point to more partying all night. But in this situation, they had just gotten off work about a hour earlier. But just from how they were dressed, they were just simply there to have a couple drinks, probably at the bar. Its not excuse making, its pointing out that this incident happened on a normal, everyday occurrence and in no way should could have been anticipated.

The real world equivalent would be locking up an important client and going to grab a drink at 6PM happy hour with coworkers. No one would bat a eye. So why is THIS stupid but THAT isn't? Just because?

Because certain people can only rationalize events based on their own point of view. You see similar mentalities when people argue that athletes "make too much money" because they rationalize that against them making 40k a year as some replaceable office assistant.

The great irony in all this is that Thabo and Pero weren't involved in a crime, or more specifically not by a "criminal", but rather they were involved in the response by those who are charged with protecting them from crime. So by therefore arguing that there is a supposed likelihood of a crime occurring after midnight you are then defining the act by the police as being criminal.

Secondly, there appears to be scaling issues. When confronted with the facts about the actual likelihood of a crime occurring at particular upscale establishments (CompStat for that entire precinct had a total of 104 felony assaults in 2014, day and night) you're refuted with possible statistics for the entire metropolitan area. That would be akin to arguing that there is a greater chance of being involved in a incidence of theft at a retail establishment in America in the past year (which are open predominately during daylight hours yet numbers around 25 million) than there is being involved in ANY crime in New York City in the last 5 years (250k). It's cherry picking at its finest.
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Post#82 » by PandaKidd » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:31 pm

If you are too ignorant to understand simple concepts like being out at 4am leads to something had happening, we don't have anything to discuss.

You're delusional
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Re: THABO AND PERO arrested for obstruction of justice 

Post#83 » by azuresou1 » Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:30 pm

Surprise surprise, the NBPA will be launching an investigation into possible police brutality.

FWIW, Chelsea/Meatpacking is one of the safest areas in all of NYC, possibly of any major US city, even at 4AM. That area is literally filled with upscale restaurants and nightclubs and is constantly patrolled by cops.
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Post#84 » by PandaKidd » Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:44 pm

Ok I'll simplify it


You don't see lebron out at 4am in w club.

Where's their security?
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Post#85 » by MaceCase » Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:10 pm

PandaKidd wrote:Ok I'll simplify it


You don't see lebron out at 4am in w club.

Where's their security?

You actually don't see anybody, you're neither wealthy nor popular enough to hang in the same circles. You aren't privy to their private lives to know what they are doing at 4am of any day of the week unless an incident occurs and brings it to public attention. You don't recognize that an entire industry exists in these major cities like LA and NY that caters to the rich and famous, simple logic would suggest that you cannot build an industry based on clientele that does not exist. You don't realize that said clientele does not keep 9-5 hours either so therefore attributing that "only bad" things occur when they are most active only demonstrates the simplicity of your world view. Righteous indignation and ignorance are always a great mix.
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Post#86 » by MaceCase » Fri Apr 10, 2015 10:59 pm

azuresou1 wrote:Surprise surprise, the NBPA will be launching an investigation into possible police brutality.

FWIW, Chelsea/Meatpacking is one of the safest areas in all of NYC, possibly of any major US city, even at 4AM. That area is literally filled with upscale restaurants and nightclubs and is constantly patrolled by cops.

Thabo also personally hired a top defense attorney in Alex Spiro. You don't get Johnny Cochran to fight misdemeanor charges. Koonin also went on the air and said that he and the organization believe with "conviction" that Thabo and Pero are innocent. Some shady **** going on for those that can look past the slut shaming "they should not have been out to begin with!"
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Post#87 » by FCNATL85 » Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:25 pm

Rip2137 wrote:If you listen to the onlookers who are saying "we got that on camera" and "why did they do that" and a bunch of naughty words spoken in French, that's a pretty good indicator that there was something dodgey going on.


If you understand French though, you will be surprised by the content. I kept on thinking to myself, If Thabo was associated one way or the other to those people, he was hanging out with the wrong crowd Obviously, we have no cluewhether it was simply a coincidence or what but in any case, it is very diassppointing. Thabo will be sorely missed in certain match-ups and for his D rebounds especially. Hope we do nothave to face TOR in the 2nd.
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Post#88 » by PandaKidd » Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:09 am

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PandaKidd wrote:Ok I'll simplify it


You don't see lebron out at 4am in w club.

Where's their security?

You actually don't see anybody, you're neither wealthy nor popular enough to hang in the same circles. You aren't privy to their private lives to know what they are doing at 4am of any day of the week unless an incident occurs and brings it to public attention. You don't recognize that an entire industry exists in these major cities like LA and NY that caters to the rich and famous, simple logic would suggest that you cannot build an industry based on clientele that does not exist. You don't realize that said clientele does not keep 9-5 hours either so therefore attributing that "only bad" things occur when they are most active only demonstrates the simplicity of your world view. Righteous indignation and ignorance are always a great mix.


You assume a lot.

No one with half a brain disputes that they were at the wrong place and there at the wrong time . even pero admitted it.
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Post#89 » by Rip2137 » Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:05 am

For the record:

A: I have seen Lebron and some cavs players at Dantanas after a playoff game in 2009 at around 2 am. I'm not quite sure where you think NBA players get food after they get off "work".

B: You know full well that's not what the saying "wrong place at the wrong time" means.
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Post#90 » by PandaKidd » Sat Apr 11, 2015 2:50 am

You're right pero and thabo just trying to grab some food. Poor dudes.

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Post#91 » by xccelerate » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:06 am

Oh my God. New video. This is just making me angrier and angrier now. http://www.tmz.com/2015/04/10/thabo-sef ... ing-baton/
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Post#92 » by Hawk Eye » Sat Apr 11, 2015 4:15 am

xccelerate wrote:Oh my God. New video. This is just making me angrier and angrier now. http://www.tmz.com/2015/04/10/thabo-sef ... ing-baton/


Holy..
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Post#93 » by Years80HAWKS » Sat Apr 11, 2015 10:52 am

That the police went ilogically brutal does not mean that they were in the wrong place and, especially, at the wrong time.
If you have to play the next day and you have been injured for a while just three weeks earlier, you do not have to do that.
If you are 34 and your coach has been giving you some rest during the season so you get fresh legs into the PO, you do not have to get to bed by 5 or 6 to play the next day.
You could do that the day you do not have a game or in mid january or february, but not a week away from the PO.
I cannot imagine Duncan, LBJ or Stephen Curry doind this sort of stupid things.

It is true, things could go wrong and went wrong. But they should not have been there. Their mistake.

Of course we will miss Thabo. Defending DeRozan, LBJ or Butler with Carroll and then with him is much different that defending them with Carroll and then Bazemore. The combination of Carroll and Thabo had no comparisson around the league in terms of defense, 3-pt shots and rebound for a SG-SF combination.
Now we will have to rely more on Bazemore and get something from Jenkins. Pfff.

In the other hand, I hope Antic gest out of the rotation for the PO and Muscala and Daye get all his minutes.
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Post#94 » by PandaKidd » Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:43 pm

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xccelerate wrote:Oh my God. New video. This is just making me angrier and angrier now. http://www.tmz.com/2015/04/10/thabo-sef ... ing-baton/


Holy..
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I REALLY need to see video before he's surrounded.

Was the nightstick necessary, doesn't look Like it to me
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Post#95 » by xccelerate » Sat Apr 11, 2015 3:09 pm

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PMOTT3 wrote:
xccelerate wrote:Oh my God. New video. This is just making me angrier and angrier now. http://www.tmz.com/2015/04/10/thabo-sef ... ing-baton/


Holy..
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I REALLY need to see video before he's surrounded.

Was the nightstick necessary, doesn't look Like it to me


Yup, the people recording the video are claiming they didn't do anything though. I hope more comes out.
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Post#96 » by DTP » Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:04 pm

Didn't the police report say that Pero had his hand on an officer's shoulder preventing him from assisting in the Thabo take down? Because to me....that seems impossible since the new angle shows Pero on the ground the entire time. Hmm...

Completely unnecessary for an officer to use a baton on a guy that's already on the ground, with at least five other officers already involved.....just completely unnecessary.
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Post#97 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:10 am

azuresou1 wrote:Surprise surprise, the NBPA will be launching an investigation into possible police brutality.

FWIW, Chelsea/Meatpacking is one of the safest areas in all of NYC, possibly of any major US city, even at 4AM. That area is literally filled with upscale restaurants and nightclubs and is constantly patrolled by cops.
of course they are because all cops are evil and beat people for no reason. Advice don't obstruct an investigation and don't resist arrest and you won't get your ass beat.

Furthermore, don't try and take a cops gun, sit on a dude and beat his head into a sidewalk. Overall don't commit crimes and you won't have a run in with police. And if you do have a run in with cops....do what they say...


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Post#98 » by Rip2137 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:57 am

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
azuresou1 wrote:Surprise surprise, the NBPA will be launching an investigation into possible police brutality.

FWIW, Chelsea/Meatpacking is one of the safest areas in all of NYC, possibly of any major US city, even at 4AM. That area is literally filled with upscale restaurants and nightclubs and is constantly patrolled by cops.
of course they are because all cops are evil and beat people for no reason. Advice don't obstruct an investigation and don't resist arrest and you won't get your ass beat.

Furthermore, don't try and take a cops gun, sit on a dude and beat his head into a sidewalk. Overall don't commit crimes and you won't have a run in with police. And if you do have a run in with cops....do what they say...


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Yes, everyone is always in the wrong a police are always right. Despite video evidence to the contrary. But I guess it makes sense. You envoked the Trayvon Martin clause where despite it being a fact a person is lying about the events, you still believe them.

Sometimes I wish I lived in the magic world where some people live. You literally have a video of a guy not resisting a arrest getting yanked around and his leg broken but its still his fault.
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Post#99 » by PandaKidd » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:32 am

You have a video of half an arrest.

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Post#100 » by Rip2137 » Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:49 am

Panda, what are you talking about. He is standing there in the video, hands behind his back not resisting when two officers yank him in one direction then another set of officers yanked him in the other direction which leads them to pounce. At no point did he resist here. Their police report says he resisted when being arrested...you clearly have video showing he didn't. They also say Pero interfered while they were trying to take down Thabo. You CLEARLY see that didn't happen. The only question remaining and what is missing is if they were justified in arresting them.

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