ATL-Philly trade thought

[evildallas]

Trade Igoudala?

If the Sixers draft Evan Turner, might they consider this deal:

Jamal Crawford
Marvin Williams
24th pick
for
Andre Igoudala
Thaddeus Young

I only suggest it with the thought of letting Joe walk in July without much of a fight.

New starting lineup:
Teague
Igoudala
Young
Smith
Horford

We'd be weak on depth, but just throwing the idea out there.

Edit - Didn't mean to start a 2nd thread. Typed this up earlier and didn't hit submit until I came back to the machine. Other thread got created before that.

[azuresou1]

That's some wretched spacing. How about this trade instead:

Joe Johnson
for
Elton Brand
#2

[evildallas]

That's some wretched spacing. How about this trade instead:

Joe Johnson
for
Elton Brand
#2

Can't sign and trade for a pick.

[theatlfan]

Look, I'm not a fan of Igoudala and I don't think that he'd fit in with where LD wants to go with the team (motion offense, jump shots to open up the middle), but I'd still do this... which prolly means that it's too good of a deal for us (sorry).

BTW, Crawford could be traded straight up for AI after the new league year. I wouldn't think PHI would see the Young for Marvin swap as an upgrade on their part. Even so, Igoudala for Crawford + 24 is still one I'd pull the trigger on immediately, so same scenario...

[evildallas]

Look, I'm not a fan of Igoudala and I don't think that he'd fit in with where LD wants to go with the team (motion offense, jump shots to open up the middle), but I'd still do this... which prolly means that it's too good of a deal for us (sorry).

BTW, Crawford could be traded straight up for AI after the new league year. I wouldn't think PHI would see the Young for Marvin swap as an upgrade on their part. Even so, Igoudala for Crawford + 24 is still one I'd pull the trigger on immediately, so same scenario...

I thought about the smaller deal, but couldn't resist moving Marvin at the same time. Even though I brought the deal up I'm not a huge fan of it because I'm unsure of the chemistry. I think Igoudala can provide a lot of Joe's production with slightly less expense on less risk of drop off (4 years younger), so it merits consideration. The problem would be that in trading off Jamal Crawford to replace Joe we will definitely risk taking a step back because depth would be gone.

[MaceCase]

Evil, in a previous thread I brought this up. I think we should just trade Jamal and Mo and call it a day considering that Iggy is expendable and they want to shed some salary. They are high on Young and he is much cheaper than Marvin especially since they already have Nocioni on the books eating up cap at the same position. I would hope that the talent of Jamal coming off the bench and his expiring would be incentive enough for them to not require any picks from us. With a SG/SF firmly in hand we can be more accepting of taking back players in a SnT for Joe (Hinrich or Beasley) and Chills (Can no longer be an option to stay because we are now in need of shooters big time) and throw our MLE at Mike Miller and spend the vet min on fringe bigs and give Garett Siler a look.
I would be satisfied if the team were to look like this come August.

Bibby/Teague
Iggy/ D. Jones (#24)
Marvin/Mike Miller (MLE)
Smoove/ Beasley (Joe SnT)
Al/ Zaza/ Pittman-Zoubek-Varnado (#53)/ Siler.

I left Bibby starting for his shooting but Mike Miller and Marvin can alternate if Teague was to start. Minute distribution may be off but either way both Joe and Chills could help us balance out the roster if a player like Iggy is already in the fold.

[theatlfan]

I thought about the smaller deal, but couldn't resist moving Marvin at the same time. Even though I brought the deal up I'm not a huge fan of it because I'm unsure of the chemistry. I think Igoudala can provide a lot of Joe's production with slightly less expense on less risk of drop off (4 years younger), so it merits consideration. The problem would be that in trading off Jamal Crawford to replace Joe we will definitely risk taking a step back because depth would be gone.

Not sure where you're going with the chemistry angle - I've never really seen our team as a bunch of guys that'll still hang out on off-days. Honestly, dropping JJ and shipping Crawford may be the best thing for our chemistry regardless of what we get back (well, as long as their not criminals or anything).

The other thing is that I'm not worried about depth. If we lose JJ, then we'll need to get a star to replace him before we can truly compete in the East again, and AI may qualify. Even if he doesn't, we can give him a trial for a year or 2, then ship him for enough prospects that we should be able to create 1. OTOH, Sund created top of the bench depth the last 2 years out of a guy who was about to bolt for Russia (Flip Murray), a guy who was arguably the 2nd biggest bust of the BK era (Acie Law), and a guy who would never play another NBA game again (Speedy). He's completely remade the entire bench and done an OK job... and he did it on a shoestring budget with the entire bench prolly getting about $15 mil the in each of last 2 years... or about JJ's salary. I'm not worried about finding depth. Find the star and the depth will come.

[Harry10]

i would rather do SnT Joe for Iggy and filler.

[HMFFL]

Trade Igoudala?

If the Sixers draft Evan Turner, might they consider this deal:

Jamal Crawford
Marvin Williams
24th pick
for
Andre Igoudala
Thaddeus Young

I like the idea of doing the trade to acquire Thaddeus Young, but not Andre Iguodala, so to me it depends on what we flip Andre Iguodala for. Andre to me won't fill a need on our team because we need to have a shooter at both the 2 & 3.

[evildallas]

i would rather do SnT Joe for Iggy and filler.

What is Philly's motivation for that if they are drafting Evan Turner? The thought is to dump Iggy's salary.

[evildallas]

Not sure where you're going with the chemistry angle - I've never really seen our team as a bunch of guys that'll still hang out on off-days. Honestly, dropping JJ and shipping Crawford may be the best thing for our chemistry regardless of what we get back (well, as long as their not criminals or anything).

The other thing is that I'm not worried about depth. If we lose JJ, then we'll need to get a star to replace him before we can truly compete in the East again, and AI may qualify. Even if he doesn't, we can give him a trial for a year or 2, then ship him for enough prospects that we should be able to create 1. OTOH, Sund created top of the bench depth the last 2 years out of a guy who was about to bolt for Russia (Flip Murray), a guy who was arguably the 2nd biggest bust of the BK era (Acie Law), and a guy who would never play another NBA game again (Speedy). He's completely remade the entire bench and done an OK job... and he did it on a shoestring budget with the entire bench prolly getting about $15 mil the in each of last 2 years... or about JJ's salary. I'm not worried about finding depth. Find the star and the depth will come.

By chemistry I meant on court. How the pieces fit together to form a cohesive unit. If no one stretches the floor then the pieces won't work well together. Wasn't alluding to anything locker room or off the court.

[evildallas]

Trade Igoudala?

If the Sixers draft Evan Turner, might they consider this deal:

Jamal Crawford
Marvin Williams
24th pick
for
Andre Igoudala
Thaddeus Young

I like the idea of doing the trade to acquire Thaddeus Young, but not Andre Iguodala, so to me it depends on what we flip Andre Iguodala for. Andre to me won't fill a need on our team because we need to have a shooter at both the 2 & 3.

I doubt that Thaddeus Young is available by himself, but if they don't clear out someone they may have trouble resigning him next summer. Of course he'll be a restricted free agent, so it might require overpaying to get him (or waiting another year later after he plays out the Q.O.).

[Harry10]

i would rather do SnT Joe for Iggy and filler.

What is Philly's motivation for that if they are drafting Evan Turner? The thought is to dump Iggy's salary.

Sixers are one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the NBA. Joe gives Turner, Brand, and Louis, 3pt shooting and perimeter defense at the SF spot.

i'm not sure if Joe would want to go to such a bad team like the Sixers, but Phily is a major market.

[azuresou1]

That's some wretched spacing. How about this trade instead:

Joe Johnson
for
Elton Brand
#2

Can't sign and trade for a pick.

True, but the #2 would obviously be Turner.

[evildallas]

i would rather do SnT Joe for Iggy and filler.

What is Philly's motivation for that if they are drafting Evan Turner? The thought is to dump Iggy's salary.

Sixers are one of the worst 3pt shooting teams in the NBA. Joe gives Turner, Brand, and Louis, 3pt shooting and perimeter defense at the SF spot.

i'm not sure if Joe would want to go to such a bad team like the Sixers, but Phily is a major market.

My point is that Joe Johnson and Evan Turner would play the same position. I don't think you'd pay Joe the max to intentionally play one out of position.

[dejaman]

I think Thaddeus Young is "untouchable". No way Sixers trade him.

[HoopsGuru25]

That's some wretched spacing. How about this trade instead:

Joe Johnson
for
Elton Brand
#2

Can't sign and trade for a pick.

True, but the #2 would obviously be Turner.

Outside the fact that this is blatant tampering,why would Philly do this trade? They'd lose the 2nd pick and save no money.