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just hearing all the comments on draft night, how the Hawks have to resign Joe, and i just could not disagree more. their is a point that Joe does hold this team back. for years Joe has been complaining that he doesn't have any help, well the last two years, a star player like Lebron, Wade, Carmelo, Paul, would all love to have the help that Joe got.

for the past 5 years, i know it is unreasonable to ask Joe to be on the same level as Lebron or Kobe, i never expected that, but i was really hoping he could bring something similar that Billups or Nash brings, which is okay production but great leadership and clutch shooting and the ability to close out games, basically just a player that can bring a group of talented players together. Joe's leadership is at a zero, Flip and Josh are better leaders than Joe

the Joe situation is really starting to turn into another Billy Knight situation, where you have to say, enough is enough, we gave you all the chances and enough time, it is just not going to work out.

bring back Joe would really be wasting everybody's time, the organization and fans. no matter what stance you have, we can all agree that resigning Joe would not result in getting closer to a championship.

Hawks could use the cap to go after Haywood for maybe a big 3yr contact or i really wouldn't mind in seeing some sort of SnT Joe for Billlups or Kidd trade (Kidd and Haywood trade). Billups and Kidd are on the decline, but i still think his leadership could bring this team together, and help Crawford, Josh, Al, and even Marvin bring their game to the next level. and the commitment for the Hawks wouldn't be that bad, Billups only has one year left and Kidd has 2 years left.

Al/Josh/Marvin/Crawford/Billups
Nene/KMart/Melo/Joe/Lawson

The Hawks aren't going to sign and trade Joe unless it's to a team who already has capspace. It's pretty obvious to see that they don't have enough leverage to get someone like Billups in return for him.

Joe Johnson is so overrated it's not funny. He's a good 3rd option and should be payed at such. He was good as a 4th option on the Suns.

spudwebb wrote:Joe Johnson is so overrated it's not funny. He's a good 3rd option and should be payed at such. He was good as a 4th option on the Suns.

LOL a 3rd option? He's a first option on most teams, 2nd at worst. But the only way he's a third option is if he goes to the Bulls with LeBron or the Lakers.

this is nuts. joe was by far the best player on our 50 win team last year. where were we before he got here??? nowhere. and that's probably where we're heading after he leaves for nothing to go to NY/NJ/Miami/Chicago...especially with this set of owners in place who are more worried about the luxury tax than winning.

hope everyone enjoyed our nice run at the playoffs.

btw, u can say bye to horford in 2 years unless he decides he was $10M or less to stay.

i wish i could just on another team's bandwagon but i'm not wired like that. i'm gonna suffer like the rest of u guys for the next few years unless there's some miracle.

^ you can try to fool yourself and say that Joe turned this team around, but what really turned this team around is when Josh started to developed and Horford came in. Joe was here for years, putting up numbers and not winning.

and Joe is not the best player, he is just a ball hog, and we only see him doing his thing and putting up numbers while everybody stands around. Josh is the best and most important player on this team. Hawks have a winning record when Joe is out (Marvin averaged like 20ppg when Joe is not around), and we all know how frustrating this team looks when Josh is not in the game, even with a health Horford and Joe, the other team goes on a dunkfest and uncontested layups, and Hawks look like a lottery team.

I hope I'm wrong, but I dont think I am...

I agree the Josh is the key player, but having a go to scorer and someone who can create his own shots is important. We've seen Crawford with that role on numerous teams who didn't make the playoffs, I guess we'll see it again...

We've seen Crawford with that role on numerous teams who didn't make the playoffs, I guess we'll see it again...

Did you enjoy seeing the Hawks get curb stomped in the playoffs the last 2 years?

You don't really need to bash Joe to make a decision about resigning him. In the short term the Hawks are better with Joe than without. That one is easy. Regardless of the iso-Joe offense that has grated on most of us, that is a lot of production to replace. What the talking heads ignore is whether signing Joe at all costs is a good long term strategy. They don't have to worry or care about the bottom line for the franchise. They aren't looking at ability to improve the team down the road. They also aren't breaking down the team in extreme detail. They aren't thinking about impact on the rest of the roster. They aren't thinking moves ahead. More than likely these talking heads only see the stats and highlights before making their comment about have to resign Joe.

We know what we are with Joe and that is a playoff team that has no chance at competing with the best teams in the conference. We aren't sure if we'd be markedly better with a different head coach and Joe. Have to guess on that one.

We know what are our ticket sales are with Joe. We are 18th in the league at 16,545 per game. How far would we drop without Joe? Don't really know. I do know that resigning him won't see more than that figure because our sales actually dropped slightly last year. He's not the personality or media presence that resonates with casual fans to sell the remaining seats or to convert those people into more than casual fans.

I've already made my decision that Joe's desired price tag is a bad investment for the team. I'd rather risk a major step back this year to employ a younger, younger lower dollar SG and see if we who can step up and whether we can get a more balanced team. My goal would be to position the team to be competitive post-lockout because while signing Joe keeps the status quo, the status quo is to get stomped by whomever we face come playoff time. Until we get the team passed that point or land a marketable superstar via draft, trade, or free agency then we aren't selling more tickets or becoming more profitable. The talking heads that say we have to resign Joe aren't thinking that far ahead.

I am resigned to the fact that we wont win a championship with these owners. Unless you get INCREDIBLY lucky, in the nba, owners have to be willing to do whatever it takes $$$wise to win a championship. So my reluctance is letting Joe go is not making the playoffs. As much as it sucks to get stomped, I still enjoyed going to the playoff games more than being a 13 win team. Basically I rather lose in the playoffs every year than never make them.