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What would it take for the Pacers to trade for Josh Smith? Dont even ask for Granger or Hibbert cause they are untouchable

Don't even ask for Josh then.

colts2004 wrote:What would it take for the Pacers to trade for Josh Smith? Dont even ask for Granger or Hibbert cause they are untouchable

lol...what a ridiculous statement.

Your team has no real assets. Danny Granger is the only player we'd really have even mild interest in.

Eh, I could do it without Granger, but I'd want Collison, Hibbert, George AND they'd have to take Bibby back since we'd have Collison. I'd want a future 1st too, but if that was the deal breaker then I think I'd relent on the demand. Honestly, I do think it'd be fair since my personal thoughts are that Collison is more likely to be a change of pace backup than the future star everyone sees him as, while Hibbert is a little slow which hinders his upside. George is an X factor since, even for a draft pick, no one really knows what he'll be. To match salaries, we could either take Dunleavy (huge expiring) or both Posey and Foster (but we'd want to give back something here).

So, I'd do either
Smoove and Bibby for Dunleavy, Collison, Hibbert, and George
or
Smoove, Bibby, and Evans for Foster, Posey, Collison, Hibbert, and George

Me being a Hawks fan would trade Josh for Hibbert and any other asset the Pacers could offer, being it capital relief, an interesting player, picks or a combination of all.
A 7-3 Hibbert could be what separates us from being a 4 seed of being a 2 seed.
But may be the ASG thinks that there is nothing to do against the Heat and prefer to sell tickets (JSmoove onboard) than trying to win games (JSmoove out and Horford to the 4 spot).

Hibbert is 7-3 but is a terrible rebounder and is slow. He has a pretty decent post game, but I'd say is really not a good C, and most certainly not worth Smoove on his own.

I randomly stumbled upon this topic, and just have to put my 2 cents in.

'haha'. That's it. Don't even bother asking for Hibbert or Granger? Even if you guys landed Granger for Smith it would be a lateral move IMO.

You guys need to pick a four and get him a center.

I'd prob do Hib and filler for Josh but long term I think it hurts our chances to be an elite team.

I think you all may be surprised this year at what the big fella brings.

hib and collison etc. is funny. Two young improving starters + for an undersized guy that you almost have to trade?
I don't think so.

Think we just buy Horford and don't give you SQUAT!!! hows that?

He would THRIVE playing with our guys and we are more than willing to pay him big money.

Solid wrote:
Think we just buy Horford and don't give you SQUAT!!! hows that?

He would THRIVE playing with our guys and we are more than willing to pay him big money.

That would be nice except for the fact that Horford is a rfa and Atlanta will match any offer that he gets.

I think you just might do that. It will be max or close enough to not matter and it will be front end loaded. Luxury tax... cost you double.
I'd do it if i were you, AH is a fine prototypical PF. but then he wont be happy and in fact is somewhat wasted at the 5 spot. you guys need a center and the most likely way to get a decent one is to give up a four...Josh

A legit seven footer will be costly. You will degrade talent to do it but be better balanced and keep Al happy.
Target a guy who Al can play with. someone without Josh's talent but who doesn't suck.

If his team doesn't need a four but a wing perhaps and a pick? We may be happy to help out.

Solid wrote:I think you just might do that. It will be max or close enough to not matter and it will be front end loaded. Luxury tax... cost you double.

Where did this notion come from? Even if someone offered Horford the max, we wouldn't be in the luxury tax. Also, you can't give a "front end loaded" max contract.

Solid wrote:I'd do it if i were you, AH is a fine prototypical PF. but then he wont be happy and in fact is somewhat wasted at the 5 spot. you guys need a center and the most likely way to get a decent one is to give up a four...Josh

Call me crazy, but I just can't see how someone who is an AS at his position can be considered "wasted". I'd be more likely to think the opposite...

Solid wrote:A legit seven footer will be costly. You will degrade talent to do it but be better balanced and keep Al happy.
Target a guy who Al can play with. someone without Josh's talent but who doesn't suck.

Eh, we're happy to go with what we've got. If you're willing to give up the assets to trade for a 24 yo AS, then we're happy to listen. If you're trying to convince us to give one of them away for a guy just because he's 7', then don't bother. It'd be a waste of both of our time.

Solid wrote:If his team doesn't need a four but a wing perhaps and a pick? We may be happy to help out.

We'd be looking for MUCH more than 2 prospects for either.

CALPURNIA wrote:Me being a Hawks fan would trade Josh for Hibbert and any other asset the Pacers could offer, being it capital relief, an interesting player, picks or a combination of all.
A 7-3 Hibbert could be what separates us from being a 4 seed of being a 2 seed.
But may be the ASG thinks that there is nothing to do against the Heat and prefer to sell tickets (JSmoove onboard) than trying to win games (JSmoove out and Horford to the 4 spot).

what is the matter with you? this line of reasoning is why bowie got drafted before jordan. people just cream their pants over 7 footers and disregard logic.

despite being 7 foot 3, hibbert boards like a shooting guard. al horford simply outproduces him greatly at the center position.

so, the hawks would be trading josh smith, just so they could lose production from the center position by putting a back up calibre center there to start. and then ofcourse they would be losing production at the 4 because josh smith is simply a better player than al horford. and that makes them a 2 seed. laughing out loud.

Hibbert and Collison for Smith and Bibby or Teague would be a deal I would consider.

Even Hibbert and Paul George for Smith and Evans.

Financially that would allow us to resign Horford and Crawford.

Who cares about resigning Crawford? The guy's 30.

johnny878 wrote:

CALPURNIA wrote:Me being a Hawks fan would trade Josh for Hibbert and any other asset the Pacers could offer, being it capital relief, an interesting player, picks or a combination of all.
A 7-3 Hibbert could be what separates us from being a 4 seed of being a 2 seed.
But may be the ASG thinks that there is nothing to do against the Heat and prefer to sell tickets (JSmoove onboard) than trying to win games (JSmoove out and Horford to the 4 spot).

what is the matter with you? this line of reasoning is why bowie got drafted before jordan. people just cream their pants over 7 footers and disregard logic.

despite being 7 foot 3, hibbert boards like a shooting guard. al horford simply outproduces him greatly at the center position.

so, the hawks would be trading josh smith, just so they could lose production from the center position by putting a back up calibre center there to start. and then ofcourse they would be losing production at the 4 because josh smith is simply a better player than al horford. and that makes them a 2 seed. laughing out loud.

Let's just wait and see what the production of these two players is this season.
For what has been said, Hibbert worked hard with Walton in the defensive part of his game. That includes rebounding.
I remember the last time Smith dedicated his summer to improve his game. I believe it was his midrange jumper... better forget it...

Well, I believe the addition of a legit center (being a seven footer or a 6.10 guy like Okafor) and allowing Horford to play the four would be an improvement in many areas.
The most important positions in bball are the 1 and the 5. We are strong at the 2, 3 and 4... Shouldn't we do something about that?

In my opinion, we could try to get Dampier, who has a year left and would allow us to do major adjustments once the resigning of Horford and Crawford come.

Rebounding is pretty much the most consistent stat across all levels of play, and does not change much. Hibbert is a bad rebounder, worse than some SGs. That isn't going to change.