Should we go for Murphy?

[BrazilianHawk]

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This is a guy I personally always wanted to see in a Hawks jersey. He's a great rebounder and can really score from beyond the arc.

Send Jamal to the Neys straight up for Murphy so we can develop Craw Jr.

Bibby - Teague - JJ
JJ - Craw Jr.
Marvin - Mo - Smoove
Smoove - Horford - Murphy
Horford - Murphy - Zaza

[azuresou1]

Murphy is the definition of empty stats. There's a reason he's sitting behind Kris Humphries and Joe Smith.

[johnny878]

wouldnt give up crawford for him

[evildallas]

At this point in time I'd need a draft pick with only reasonable protection (top 10 maybe) tied to Troy's neck to get me to do a deal. Straight up swap would hurt more than help.

[theatlfan]

Honestly, I'd like to make a run @ him. There's a lot of things he doesn't do, but there are some things that he does very well that we're missing (specifically, rebounding and space the floor big). He's not doing anything this year though so maybe we could get him on the cheap.

I'd go with Jamal + Zaza for Murphy + T. Williams and let NJN shop Jamal for more pieces. Unfortunately, I don't think NJN would bite on any deal where they'd be giving out guys on rookie deals where the return is less than 'Melo.

[azuresou1]

Let me repeat, NJ was so disgusted with him they're starting Kris Humphries and Joe Smith, the dude we just let go, over him.

Troy Murphy is hot garbage. Also, I like T-Will, but he's sucked this year.

[djjob23]

Trade: Joe Johnson, Mike Bibby
Goodbye Perimeter Defense sorrows.


Receive: Devin Harris, Troy Murphy, unprotected 1st
Hello Defense and team fillers.
Troy hasn't done anything this year due to injury troubles. He's a huge expiring that has qualities that we need when he's healthy. Smaller contracts.

Done.

[azuresou1]

I'd do that deal, but only because of that unprotected 1st.

[D21]

Troy Murphy is a PF and not a C, and he doesn't defend

I agree but in this case, and only if we can't find a real C, it could be interesting to see what the team do with a PF with range, instead of Crawford. At least would not continue to talk about that, it would be done.

They both are expiring and set to not be kept, so maybe better try something to help fix problems in long term.
I would prefer a trade for a C, but if there is no option, I prefer trying Murphy than do nothing and keep Crawford.

[johnny878]

Troy Murphy is a PF and not a C, and he doesn't defend

I agree but in this case, and only if we can't find a real C, it could be interesting to see what the team do with a PF with range, instead of Crawford. At least would not continue to talk about that, it would be done.

They both are expiring and set to not be kept, so maybe better try something to help fix problems in long term.
I would prefer a trade for a C, but if there is no option, I prefer trying Murphy than do nothing and keep Crawford.

pf with range???

josh smith 3pt pct=.467
troy murphy three point pct=.273

[theatlfan]

Let me repeat, NJ was so disgusted with him they're starting Kris Humphries and Joe Smith, the dude we just let go, over him.

Troy Murphy is hot garbage. Also, I like T-Will, but he's sucked this year.

I understand that Murphy isn't fitting into the system that Avery Johnson is trying to implement... that would be why they're trying to trade him. No, he's not a great player or anything, but he's fairly consistently hit 40% from 3 and in the top 10 in rebounding. Those are 2 skills that are real handy in a big rotation and I do believe that LD could put him in better positions to utilize those skills than Avery.

I really only include Terrance Williams for additional wing depth and as someone who has shown enough ability to be a part of the short rotation which would be needed if we're shipping off Jamal. I'm not tied to him or anything, but as a high energy wing guy who can start the O, he wouldn't be a bad option.

pf with range???

josh smith 3pt pct=.467
troy murphy three point pct=.273

:facepalm: I'm really speechless at something so shortsighted. How someone can hit 383 out of 927 3's in the last 3 years yet be defined by a 3 for 11 start to a season is completely baffling. Yeah, it has nothing to do with the track record you've put down in your career, but everything to do with the last 10 or so games where you're playing in a completely new system that doesn't appear to fit your strengths.

[azuresou1]

Troy Murphy not fitting in Avery's scheme would make sense if the Nets were starting Favors over him. They've started Joe Smith and now Kris ****ing Humphries over him. It's not like he's a young player either who has room to improve. Nor does he have a history of past success - he's posted stats for losing teams throughout his entire career.

It's terrible how you're considering trading Crawford too, when the Nets only gave up Courtney Lee for him, and indication of his true value.

[theatlfan]

Troy Murphy not fitting in Avery's scheme would make sense if the Nets were starting Favors over him. They've started Joe Smith and now Kris ****ing Humphries over him. It's not like he's a young player either who has room to improve. Nor does he have a history of past success - he's posted stats for losing teams throughout his entire career.

It's terrible how you're considering trading Crawford too, when the Nets only gave up Courtney Lee for him, and indication of his true value.

Lots of things going on here...
1st: If a player doesn't fit into a scheme, then the coach will play another player. It doesn't have to be the recent 1st round pick, just someone else who the coach thinks gives the team a better chance to win. Why Johnson would have to be playing Favors for this to be the case is really beyond me...
2nd: Kris Humphries is shooting over 65% from the field @ this point - over 20% better than his career average (43%). Sure, it's prolly just a hot streak, but if someone is that efficient then you've GOT to play him while he's hot - 2x so when the guy ahead of him isn't playing very well within the scheme.
3rd: I don't see why you're saying Joe Smith is playing over Murphy. Smith has gotten 4 minutes total this month. On top of Humphries and Murphy, the big rotation includes Lopez and Favors. Petro is the #5 big and plays when one is out (ala Murphy right now - foot).
4th: The entire "he did it on a bad team" argument is lost on me in this case. We're talking about a guy whose numbers that appeal to us are size, 3PT%, and rebounding rate. He size doesn't change on any team, and I don't see how being on a bad team would positively affect the 3PT% for a near 7'-er. As for the rebounds, even if he lost a few if he had some more athletic bigs around him, then it'd prolly drop him from very good to merely good. I don't think that fact that he hasn't made the playoffs has stopped us from acquiring vets before (see Crawford, Jamal).
5th: Murphy was NOT traded for "only" Courtney Lee; he was also traded for $10 mil in pure cap space. If a team is willing to give up $10 mil in terms of pure cap space on top of a young player who's seen rotation minutes with 2 years left on his rookie deal, then yes, he most definitely did have some trade value at that time.

Look, I realize that Murphy isn't a world beater, but I wouldn't be acquiring him to be the "man" on our team either. All I'd want for him to be is an upgrade @ the 3rd big over Zaza, and his 9 year track record makes me think he'd be a clear upgrade there. Now, if we can find a deal for him where we can add a little room under the tax and fill any holes we'd open when trading the guys we'd need to trade to get him, then yes, I'd be all for it. Even better if we can turn a G into someone who can fill in @ SF and/or get someone who can D up on the perimeter. If that means Jamal goes since he'd make the most sense to get that done, then yes, Jamal goes...

[HMFFL]

If management decides to try an move Joe Johnson, I hope New Jersey is interested, because they have a handful of players that interest me. Troy Murphy being involved to make the money work, but I like Anthony Morrow(!), Kris Humphries, and even Jordan Farmar are among the players that interest me.

[parson]

Why GIVE Joe away? Just because he's been playing hurt and, therefore, not looking so hot?

If we trade Joe, we need to get back value. If we can't, there's no reason to trade him.

Besides, does anyone really believe the ASG will make a move that declares that they are morons? Because, if we give Joe away, we're saying we had absolutely no idea what we were doing when we re-signed him.

[parson]

Back to the topic: Murphy would only work for us if he took Zaza's place. There, he could add outside shooting.

Even then, the salary .....

[HMFFL]

Why GIVE Joe away? Just because he's been playing hurt and, therefore, not looking so hot?

If we trade Joe, we need to get back value. If we can't, there's no reason to trade him.

Besides, does anyone really believe the ASG will make a move that declares that they are morons? Because, if we give Joe away, we're saying we had absolutely no idea what we were doing when we re-signed him.

I've proposed different trades on this site that involves Joe Johnson, some have us acquiring a great deal of value, and some have us just moving his contract off the books. I doubt many teams would be interested, but I'll change the way I think come December 15th, if I happen to read that teams are interested in his services.