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40% from the field and he's hit 22 of 88 3's so far this year, and we're talking about Josh should stop shooting them?? If anybody should stop shooting them it's Joe, that's an horrific 25%. If somebody asked me to guess who was that player by stats without me knowing. I would have said Marvin Williams or somebody.

This guy has shot the ball like the average Joe this season, I can't make anymore excuses. The injury seemed like a good one but the 2 games since he's been back he's shot 9 for 30 and 2 of 12 from 3 pt land. It's gotten old so very quick and don't think people didn't notice how much better the offense looked with Jamal and no Joe instead of the other way around. I have no idea if it's the pressure of the contract but the last couple of years his shot had already fell off a bit but this year he's gone off the deep end.

The NJ game just brought this ran out of me, the offense looks slow and uncoordinated when he's out there. The ISO Joe has started to rear it's ugly head too. As you can tell i'm really down on this team right now.

Im just gonna be patient. Hes been bad, no doubt. His current shooting woes but be connected to an injury bc Joe isnt this bad. Hell turn it around soon. If not, I dont know what you do.

it is more to basketball that scoring the ball. The rest of Joe's game is so much better than Jamal's it is not even funny. And I like Jamal, but when Joe has the ball in his hand he rarely makes a mistake. and his defense is ten times better than jamal. if you noticed last night against Orlando.... every time someone started heating up between either Richardson, Nelson, or Arenas. Joe would guard them and pretty much shut them down(or at least slow them down). And he still had the energy to score on the other end. watch the game and don't expected Joe to Score 30 points a game. If he scores 15-20 and plays defense like he did last night, the hawks will be hard to beat.

I understand all that myrak and i'd be on board with that if it was about 3 years ago but i keep looking at the highest paid player in the NBA and can't help but hold him to the standard that a player who gets paid like that should be. He should be knocking down shots at a much higher rate.

Holding him to that high of a standard is ridiculous.

SAUCERY_SWEET wrote:I understand all that myrak and i'd be on board with that if it was about 3 years ago but i keep looking at the highest paid player in the NBA and can't help but hold him to the standard that a player who gets paid like that should be. He should be knocking down shots at a much higher rate.

you mean like paid like players such as Vince Carter, Micheal Redd, Rashard Lewis, Elton Bran, Jason Richardson, and Brandon Roy....... all the players make about what JJ makes if not more. but I wouldn't traded any of them for him.

I would trade JJ straight up for VC, Redd, and Richardson in milliseconds.

myrak433 wrote:

SAUCERY_SWEET wrote:I understand all that myrak and i'd be on board with that if it was about 3 years ago but i keep looking at the highest paid player in the NBA and can't help but hold him to the standard that a player who gets paid like that should be. He should be knocking down shots at a much higher rate.

you mean like paid like players such as Vince Carter, Micheal Redd, Rashard Lewis, Elton Bran, Jason Richardson, and Brandon Roy....... all the players make about what JJ makes if not more. but I wouldn't traded any of them for him.

- Carter is making 1M more than Joe, but is in the last years of his contract (next year is only guaranteed for 4M), while Joe will go from 16M to 24M
- Redd is making 2M more than Joe, but is in the last year of his contract
- Lewis is like Joe, but with 3 years already done, but worst than him so I agree with you on this one
- Brand is making less than Joe, and only has two more years after this season, and could possibly help more than Joe (on what he shows since the beginning of this season)
- Richardson is making 2M less than Joe, and is expiring
- Roy is making a lot less than Joe (from 13M to 19M in 5 years, and not from 16M to 24M in 6 years like Joe, so 3 to 4.5M less on the 5 first years), but is injured making him a problem, but could have been a best option than Joe if not injured

The only one I would not consider is Lewis, then Roy because of injury
The other guys, you have to listen to the offer.

All that's well said and done and i agree with most of your points but Joe Johnson simply has to start shooting the ball much better than he has pre-surgery and now especially after. Our offense looks cryptic,predictable for a 4 year old and slow when it runs through him. It's slow already but when the Hawks start looking towards him it really becomes pretty simplistic and predictable. This sort of lends more into the pace that the guys play at, it allows lesser teams to hang around and have a chance to win. Watch the Cavs game tonight, it will be a lot closer than it should ever be.

SAUCERY_SWEET wrote:All that's well said and done and i agree with most of your points but Joe Johnson simply has to start shooting the ball much better than he has pre-surgery and now especially after. Our offense looks cryptic,predictable for a 4 year old and slow when it runs through him. It's slow already but when the Hawks start looking towards him it really becomes pretty simplistic and predictable. This sort of lends more into the pace that the guys play at, it allows lesser teams to hang around and have a chance to win. Watch the Cavs game tonight, it will be a lot closer than it should ever be.

How do you think JJ shooting was last night?

If he can duplicate that type of performance more regularly then you won't see these type of threads on this board. Our pace still needs to quicken but I guess I have come to terms with that.

Joe's shooting doesn't bother me; after all, we pay him to shoot ... and score, alot.

If he just stops trying to pound the ball into the court. I mean, run the offense.