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Denver seems to be willing to deal Devin Harris if they receive him and they also want to get rid of Al Harrington. Would you be willing to take on Al Harrington in order to get Devin?

Devin Harris
Al Harrington
for
Mike Bibby
Mo Evans
Marvin Williams
1st round pick

The normal must be traded alone restriction wouldn't be in place as we'd slide into the overall Den-NJ-Det deal as the 4th team. Denver might hold out for Jamal instead of Bibby and Evans to maximize cap room, but if they do so I wouldn't give them a pick because the trade would not be as attractive to us.


Resultant lineup:
Harris/Teague
Johnson/Crawford/Jo. Crawford/Sy
Smith/Wilkins
Horford/Harrington/Powell
Collins/Zaza/Thomas

The move wouldn't put us into luxury tax this year, but I think it would hard to avoid down in year 3.

What do you think?

Personally, I like the trade. Devin is a no brainer and upgrades our point guard slot, but I also like Al Harrington. He would give us the vet off the bench we need.

Easily. Thats a total gift to the Hawks

Edit: I thought it said 2 first round picks.

My biggest issue with the trade is Al Harrington because he has four seasons left under contract and I doubt we can move him. If Denver is looking to unload more salary, I believe Portland is a better fit, because they have expiring contracts (Andre Miller & Joel Przybilla) to pursue a trade.

We should focus our attention on Nene Hilario. He has a player option that I he may pass on since Denver won't have much talent once they complete a trade with New Jersey.

If we offered Jamal Crawford instead and took Quinton Ross and Stephen Graham, the deal'd work. DEN has the room to also take Bibby, if they wanted a vet PG, though I doubt they'd want him. Without Bibby, DEN would have $11 million more in expirings than in the present deal they seemingly have with NJ and DET. If they took Bibby, they'd still save more than they do in their present deal but Bibby would take 1/2 of it away.

The deal without Bibby would look like this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=48cezx8
The deal with Bibby would look like this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4v68utk

Would we be willing to pay the LT for Harris? It's not my money, so I'd say yes, but what would the ASG do?

My understanding of Harrington's contract was that the last two years weren't guaranteed (not sure if year 3 is a partial or not). Personally I don't want Harrington, but I'd heard that's who they were trying to force into the trade. I'm not sure if Nene opting out scares Denver as they are trying to acquire expiring deals anyway, but I'd figure I adjust the deal to include him as well.

Expanding it even further:
Devin Harris
Nene
Al Harrington
for
Jamal Crawford
Mike Bibby
Marvin Williams
Mo Evans or Zaza Pachulia
1st round pick
2013 1st round or 2011 2nd round

resulting roster:
Harris/Teague
Johnson/Jordan Crawford/Sy
Smith/Wilkins
Horford/Harrington/Powell
Nene/Zaza/Collins/Thomas

I'm going to assume that Denver would prefer Mo's expiring deal to Zaza's affordable contract. The 2nd pick in the deal varies by the other components and would likely be conditional. If Nene opts out of his deal then they don't get a 1st for sure. I'm not sure we'd be able to integrate all the pieces in time for a strong post-season, but that is a talented starting 5 with a lot of depth up front. And if healthy should be a force next year.

Denver's motivation would be picks, expiring deals, and Marvin isn't even 25 yet so his upside has to be greater than the almost 31 year old Al Harrington. If you combine the picks from New Jersey with ours and their own then Denver will rebuild quickly (possibly giving them the ammo to trade up to get real impact players).

Their roster (signed past this year):
Lawson/Bibby
Morrow/Afflalo (rfa)
Williams/Forbes
Favors
Anderson

Chandler, Ross, Evans, Uzoh, Ely, JR Smith and Martin are all expiring this year.

parson wrote:If we offered Jamal Crawford instead and took Quinton Ross and Stephen Graham, the deal'd work. DEN has the room to also take Bibby, if they wanted a vet PG, though I doubt they'd want him. Without Bibby, DEN would have $11 million more in expirings than in the present deal they seemingly have with NJ and DET. If they took Bibby, they'd still save more than they do in their present deal but Bibby would take 1/2 of it away.

The deal without Bibby would look like this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=48cezx8
The deal with Bibby would look like this: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4v68utk

Would we be willing to pay the LT for Harris? It's not my money, so I'd say yes, but what would the ASG do?

Simple. I like it. I have a few tweaks to a Crawford/Bibby deal that would actually get Denver under the luxury tax threshold for this year which might help close the deal. We take back more in it Harris/JR Smith/Graham/Ross so someone would have to be bought out to make it work.

I prefer the larger deal with Harris and Nene, but replacing getting any of your variants landing a PG upgrade without adding a deal like Harrington seems worth it to me.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=47de2yn

Man, I'd hate to take Al Harrington. The guy plays no defense and has no position: he's too slow for SF and too small and weak for PF. On offense, he's just a 3-pt chunker. We'd be better off giving his minutes to Mo Evans.

I always thought that if we had to deal for Harris, and that the trade includes Bibby, we would certainly need another shooter, because we loose a .500 3Pts shooter, and get only a PG who shots .300 at 3pts.

The trade with Harrington make it work, but I would prefer to keep Bibby as backup PG if we get a PG who's not a long range threat.

I'd add that Harris is IMO the most overrated PG on trade rumors, and have some doubts about is real value, because good stats on a bad team being on the first offensive options doesn't prove anything.


The Crawford thing is also very sad, because there is certainly some teams wanting to trade for him, in the hope that he would fit and possibly re-sign him next summer, but we won't trade him because of the luxury tax.

If only we could know what owners would get in order to accept to pay LT, it would be easier to find trade that works on a long term view.
It possible if we get a All-Star, but I would not even bet on it.

evildallas wrote:My understanding of Harrington's contract was that the last two years weren't guaranteed (not sure if year 3 is a partial or not).

I just looked it up on shamsports. It indicates that 50% of the final two years are guaranteed.

HMFFL wrote:

evildallas wrote:My understanding of Harrington's contract was that the last two years weren't guaranteed (not sure if year 3 is a partial or not).

I just looked it up on shamsports. It indicates that 50% of the final two years are guaranteed.

Thanks, that makes it better than a full 4, but not great. Still if taking him on can land Nene and Harris?

Melo, and Harrington for Crawford, Bibby, and Evans, and picks

Horford/Collins
Smith/Powel
Melo/Harrington
Joe/Marvin/Wilkins
Teague/Jordan

their is no true PG, but with how Bibby is today, he isn't really a true PG any more. Joe still sets everybody up, and Teague is just asked to play defense on Rose, Arenas, and Rondo.

Harrington is not as good as Crawford, but he is still a guy who can come off the bench and create his own shot.

Harry10 wrote:Melo, and Harrington for Crawford, Bibby, and Evans

Horford/Collins
Smith/Powel
Melo/Harrington
Joe/Marvin/Wilkins
Teague/Jordan

their is no true PG, but with how Bibby is today, he isn't really a true PG any more. Joe still sets everybody up, and Teague is just asked to play defense on Rose, Arenas, and Rondo.

Harrington is not as good as Crawford, but he is still a guy who can come off the bench and create his own shot.

Why even bothering with such a weak suggestion? I mean if you can deal Melo and Billups for Favors, Harris and 2 #1 picks, along with cap filler then why would that would offer fly? Come on at least be competitive in your suggestion. I'm sure you can do better.

What about:

Harris-Nene- Harrington- Shelden- 2nd from DEN to ATL

Smoothe- Zaza- Marvin- Favors- Morrow and fillers (Ross-Uzoh) to DEN along with 2 1st from Nets and a 1st from ATL

Bibby- Anthony- RIP- Wilcox and 2nd from ATL to NETS

Petro- Murphy to DET

Harris- teague- JC1
JJ- JC1-JC2
Harrington- Mo-Wilkins
Al- Harrington- Powell
Nene- Shelden-Collins

3 all stars and two solid players with Harrington and Nene/ Nice if ATL could snitch a SF...

what about this trade..http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4kobja8

...and then we can do these two trades... 1.http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=47xafn5 and...
2.http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4fvsynq

our lineup would then be...
pg.harris/bibby/teague
sg.joe/foye/jc2
sf.smith/graham/ross/wilkins
pf.al/zaza
c.nene/collins/etan

sorry i got kinda trade happy,once i learned about the trade machine lol. but i think that could actually be a good lineup.

My wild and crazy Denver trades, assuming Melo signs an extension.

- Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Jordan Crawford, 2 1sts for Carmelo + Nene
- Josh Smith, Jamal Crawford, Jordan Crawford, 1 1st for Carmelo + Nene
- Joe Johnson + Jordan Crawford for Carmelo (unextended)

evildallas wrote:

Harry10 wrote:Melo, and Harrington for Crawford, Bibby, and Evans

Horford/Collins
Smith/Powel
Melo/Harrington
Joe/Marvin/Wilkins
Teague/Jordan

their is no true PG, but with how Bibby is today, he isn't really a true PG any more. Joe still sets everybody up, and Teague is just asked to play defense on Rose, Arenas, and Rondo.

Harrington is not as good as Crawford, but he is still a guy who can come off the bench and create his own shot.

Why even bothering with such a weak suggestion? I mean if you can deal Melo and Billups for Favors, Harris and 2 #1 picks, along with cap filler then why would that would offer fly? Come on at least be competitive in your suggestion. I'm sure you can do better.

"While the Rockets don't have a franchise talent like New Jersey's Derrick Favors, they can offer cap relief in the expiring contract of Yao Ming ($17.7 million), Shane Battier ($7.4 million) and Jared Jeffries ($6.9 million), as well young talent like leading scorer Kevin Martin or Aaron Brooks, the NBA's 2009-10 Most Improved Player. Houston also has the right to swap draft picks with the Knicks in 2011 and it owns New York's pick outright in 2012."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/01/09/carmelo.anthony.deal/index.html

^^^^ You see, Houston has picks to offer as well as Martin or Brooks and expiring contracts. The trade suggestion you made had us just giving up expiring contracts and taking on 1 bad contract. Where are the picks or young talent to get Denver excited?

I don't dispute that Houston could make an offer. Perhaps even one that might even make sense without an extension. The question is could we do that?

evildallas wrote:

Harry10 wrote:Melo, and Harrington for Crawford, Bibby, and Evans

Horford/Collins
Smith/Powel
Melo/Harrington
Joe/Marvin/Wilkins
Teague/Jordan

their is no true PG, but with how Bibby is today, he isn't really a true PG any more. Joe still sets everybody up, and Teague is just asked to play defense on Rose, Arenas, and Rondo.

Harrington is not as good as Crawford, but he is still a guy who can come off the bench and create his own shot.

Why even bothering with such a weak suggestion? I mean if you can deal Melo and Billups for Favors, Harris and 2 #1 picks, along with cap filler then why would that would offer fly? Come on at least be competitive in your suggestion. I'm sure you can do better.

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