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Nash, Granger, J. Thompson to ATL ATL signs a back-up PG

Bibby, Williams, ATL 1st, IND 1st to PHO

Smoothe, PHO 2nd to IND

Teague, Thomas, ATL 2nd to SAC

Nash- JC1- Flip?
JJ-JC1-JC2
Granger-Mo- Wilkins
Horford- Powell
Thompson- Zaza- Horford- Collins

Thoughts

Stronger starting 5 but weaker bench. Anyway, tonight bench 12 out 24 (with JC1 12 out 23 though)

why would the suns do that trade. that would be horrible for them.

johnny878 wrote:why would the suns do that trade. that would be horrible for them.

that is not a horrible return for nash. Marvin and two first round picks.... really that is a good trade for Nash, he only has about two more years of great play in him. what should Pho get for him? John Wall?

That's the whole point and getting Bibby now is not a bad deal, helping Dragic to transition to his leading role over the last year or so of his contract.

Suns would probably trade Nash/Hill/Lopez as a package, since you are looking at a couple year window anyway why bring in INDY and SAC?

1st, I'm really not a fan of a Smoove for Granger trade - I think it puts us back a few steps. I don't see Granger as someone that would be different enough from JJ that we'd be in a better position without Smoove. Losing Smoove's D would be a big blow... gaining Granger's O (when he'd already be behind JJ) doesn't compensate.

2nd, I'm not really a fan of Thompson either. Seems like a #3/4 big type and only a marginal upgrade over Collins/Zaza. Would prefer to simply keep Teague and the 2nd than spend them on Thompson.

As for the basis of the trade with the Suns, I'm OK with it. We could add Teague or JC2 instead of IND's 1st and still be offering a competitive package for what I think PHX would land. 2 prospects/picks and an average young starting SF with some upside wouldn't be a bad return for Nash. He's good and would prolly command MUCH more if he were 5 years younger, but right now, the deal is more of a "go ahead and get a ring" type of trade than a "we've got 1 piece to start a complete rebuild" trade that it seems PHX fans are clamoring for. Would like to land Lopez or Gortat along with him, but I doubt that PHX would do that. If you're going to rebuild, then you don't trade away young C's.

^^^^ I agree with that. Keep Josh, forget Granger and Thompson.

If you focus on the Phoenix deal, Marvin, Bibby, and 2011 1st and 2013 1st should be just as attractive as OP because it staggers receipt of the picks. You make it further attractive if you are willing to trade the 2013 pick outright without lottery protection.

I would love it if this trade went down as opposed to my ideas around Jamal. However the one thing the deal doesn't do is give financial relief to Sarver. To be honest if I'm in his shoes that's what I'm going to want. I won't object to giving a chance to Marvin and his contract, but I'm going to want to send some other bad contracts back. He doesn't have to deal Nash now. He'd still have value this summer, so you really got to make the offer appeal. Marvin's 4 years along with long term commitments to Dudley, Childress, Frye, Warrick and Gortat make for an awkward lineup with little flexibility for 4 years. If I free Nash I'd want to also liberate my cap of at least 1 long term deal in the process.

I honestly have no idea what PHX will decide they want. We're talking about a team that has consistently pawned off 1st round picks to not have the guaranteed salary... but will also take contracts that were considered unmoveable (Shaq, Hedo) the next. We're talking about a team that is generally considered to have a top 5 cheapest owners in the league, but they went out this off-season and committed about $20 mil per year to the very average quartet of Chills, Frye, Warrick, and Dudley. I really have no idea what to make of them... but it wouldn't surprise me if the player they wanted to move was Pietrus and the uncertainty of his PO on next year's salary. Fine by me (I'd prefer Pietrus to any of those 4), but something to think on.

How about this?
Marvin + JC1 + JC2 + 2011 1st For Nash + Pietrus + Hill

PHX removes the uncertainty of Pietrus' PO next year and save a little $$. Also, the one thing that PHX is missing if they pawn off Nash is a scorer. They've got a bunch of average to above guys @ every position (assuming Dragic can step into the PG role full time), but none are guys that can put up 20+ on any given night. This deal gives them 3 guys @ various stages of their careers that could fit that role. JC1 is there now; Marvin can be lethal if he shows up; JC2 could be that guy eventually.

Pietrus cannot be moved in a deal with some other players and why take Hill at this point, not being sure how his knee will hold up?

FCNATL85 wrote:Pietrus cannot be moved in a deal with some other players and why take Hill at this point, not being sure how his knee will hold up?

Remove Marvin, and put Zaza, and it works.
Or Zaza+Teague and change 2011 1st with 2011 2nd, or keep 1st in the deal but ask for Lopez (they would have lots of C)

myrak433 wrote:

johnny878 wrote:why would the suns do that trade. that would be horrible for them.

that is not a horrible return for nash. Marvin and two first round picks.... really that is a good trade for Nash, he only has about two more years of great play in him. what should Pho get for him? John Wall?

It is a bad deal. Forking out 7 mill a season for another wing we don't need/want is what makes that deal terrible. Give us Jason Thompson and our 2nd rounder back, you keep Bibby, and give us Teague, and we'll give you Robin Lopez. Only then will the Suns consider it.