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Simple: Would you be willing to give up Smoove for the right price?

I would.

Of course. I don't think there is anyone (besides Josh homers) who wouldn't be willing to trade him.

My question in return is what is the right price?

evildallas wrote:My question in return is what is the right price?

No idea. Wanna help me decide that?
His defense is very valuable to us even if he isnt blocking shots the same way he was early in the season and last year.

I don't think his full value is to be obtained this mid-season prior to a new CBA. There is no one that seems to be available that I would give up Josh Smith for (even understanding his moodiness). Carmelo is the only big name pushing for a trade and he seems adamant that he will only sign in New York, so a brief rental is not worth Josh Smith. There are players that you could name that I'd do a deal for, but in reality I would doubt any of those players are really available. Walk through the teams and I doubt you find 1 realistic trade scenario that makes sense for Atlanta.

Once the off-season comes I would think there may be better offers to listen to. Perhaps around the time of the draft before the new CBA is in effect would be the best time to listen. I still have my doubts that anyone bowls us over with an offer we can't refuse. We already have SG, PF, and an overpaid SF slot taken (more on that later). We'd really need to acquire a PG or a C and if you have good ones at either of those slots you aren't trading unless forced to. Which brings me to the most likely time to strike a good deal and that is next midseason depending on the CBA. Unless the CBA contains a mechanism to restrict movement of the top players then it is the free agent class that could contain Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and Andrew Bogut that you might be able to use Josh and other items to obtain good value.

Additionally I don't like the idea of trading Josh Smith prior to exhausting all trade possibilities for Marvin. In essence I'd rather pay for someone to take Marvin off our hands before swapping out Smith for what's available right now. I'm not opposed to dealing Josh to get good talent back that improves the roster, but I want Marvin gone before I will even entertain the idea. As frustrating as Josh can be he's worked hard to get better every year. Marvin has been the opposite in my mind. It appears he's satisfied being mediocre and paid well and it aggravates me daily. If he's still on the roster then I posit the team really is going nowhere.

That's my take. I now remove myself from this discussion as Marvin is still a Hawk.

Josh, Marvin, and Zaza for Dunleavy, Ford, Foster, and Paul George

then in 2013 offer max to Dwight and Deron

Dwight
Horford
George
Joe
Deron

Harry10 wrote:Josh, Marvin, and Zaza for Dunleavy, Ford, Foster, and Paul George

then in 2013 offer max to Dwight and Deron

Dwight
Horford
George
Joe
Deron

Cap, we don't have it. Use Josh for Deron or CP3. Nothing else makes us better than we are now.

I think I agree with the general consensus in the "Sure, I'd trade Smoove for the right price, but that price is pretty expensive" motif. The "right price" for any player on the team is simple: the team would have to be better off after the deal than before - both in the present and in the foreseeable future.

Considering what Smoove already brings to the table and the fact that he's 25 and apparently still adding to his game, that would be a tall order to put together a trade that not only is our right price but does the same thing for the team trading for him. If the other team wanted him because of what he does now, then they'd be much more willing to deal their future for him which would mean that we'd be left without enough pieces for the present. If the other team wanted him because of what he could bring, then they'd be more willing to deal their pieces off the current team, but we wouldn't necessarily be happy with what we're getting back in futures. That's a big Catch-22 that basically means another team has to decide that he's the guy they have to have to to complete their roster, and if it means bowling us over, then that's what they'd have to do. I wouldn't count it out, but it's doubtful to say the least.

Harry10 wrote:Josh, Marvin, and Zaza for Dunleavy, Ford, Foster, and Paul George

then in 2013 offer max to Dwight and Deron

Dwight
Horford
George
Joe
Deron

If we didn't resign any replacements for the contracts ending and, after Bibby's contract ended, that deal would leave us about $28 million in capspace, only enough to sign ONE OF either Howard or DWilliams, not both.

Subtract Horford, Joe, Teague and Powell's salary increases of $11,095,886 for 2012 and you have maybe enough to sign ONE max contract - again, IF you don't resign any replacements for a year and a half.

Besides, Dwight Howard and Smoove are close. If we were to try to sign DH, we'd need Smoove.

I don't want to trade Smoove unless it's for a good center or a really good PG.

Does Devin Harris plus a little more tickle your fancy?

Elzhi wrote:Does Devin Harris plus a little more tickle your fancy?

I assume a little more isn't Derrick Favors or Brook Lopez. Then the answer personally is not really. I look at Harris as a score first PG. I would roll the dice on Aaron Brooks as a less expensive acquisition first because it would create a hole in the lineup to acquire. Losing Josh to acquire Harris is a net loss to me that being able to more Al to PF doesn't make up for.

you are not going to get a quality Center in return for Smoove, but you might get a quality PG.

best thing to do is to just hold onto Josh and see what happens to Dwight. if the time comes the Hawks could easily move Josh or Al and clear up cap (Zaza or Marvin) and hopefully get a young PG in return like Curry, Mayo, or Rubio

#1 pick wrote:

Harry10 wrote:Josh, Marvin, and Zaza for Dunleavy, Ford, Foster, and Paul George

then in 2013 offer max to Dwight and Deron

Dwight
Horford
George
Joe
Deron

Cap, we don't have it. Use Josh for Deron or CP3. Nothing else makes us better than we are now.

agreed!

So you would be interested in rubio but not harris? I was thinking a three way involving those players to try and get atlanta an established player and not a rookie.

Elzhi wrote:Does Devin Harris plus a little more tickle your fancy?

Maybe. Him, Humphries and a pick would do it for me. I could even live with sending Bibby and Mo Evans with Smoove and taking back Travis Outlaw if you'd part with the Nets 2011 pick and the rights to the Golden State pick.

I personally don't think the Suns will trade Nash, but you never know...

If they did would you consider

Suns: Nash / Lopez
Hawks: Smoove, Teague, 1st

Hawks get elite PG for next 2 years (if not 3-4 years, seriously I'm not kidding), plus a good defensive center in Lopez. What can I say about Nash. He is this games ultimate creator of shots for other players. His court vision is unparalled and he will find the open man at all times. Stats something like 17 ppg, 11.x apg.

Lopez has a lot of upside that he showed last year when we lost in the WCF to the hated Lakers. This year he has slipped back some, but he is still coming back from an offseason injury.

Even though Hawks give up Smoove I would ask for a 1st since Suns are going into rebuild mode without Nash (now if we could only get Smoove and Nash on the same team. Hmmmm........... )

I made an offer like this one earlier but the price is dropping as time goes on. Even you admitted that your deal is Smoove/Teague/1st for Lopez and 2 (maybe 3-4) years of Nash.

That limited (and shrinking) time left for Nash drops the price. What would Nash give us THIS YEAR? If we'd had him earlier, we might have gotten the homecourt advantage into the 2nd round; but now the standings are harder to change. Add in that Nash has already been quoted as speaking - fondly - of playing for the Knicks and we face a strong chance that the Hawks would only have him for 1 and 1/3 seasons.

I no longer think you'll trade Nash: the longer you keep him, the lower the price, making it harder for your management to be able to justify trading him. And all the while, he's selling tickets for you.