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Guys, at this point would you trade Marvin Williams strait up for Josh? Even thought Joshs has more years the cost per is only about 6mil and Marvin is pretty useless for us now

No.

No. Trading Josh Childress away in that S&T was one of the better moves that Sund has made.

childress sucks.

Childress was a nice bench player for us. Marvelous is better -- even Damien Wilkins is better -- but Chilz played well for us.

He DID throw his career away when he went to Greece...

parson wrote:Childress was a nice bench player for us. Marvelous is better -- even Damien Wilkins is better -- but Chilz played well for us.

He DID throw his career away when he went to Greece...

I disagree with the thrown away career comment. He was paid well in Greece and got out before the European basketball market tanked. He came back and got a good contract from Phoenix. He was never going to be a star regardless of Billy Knight drafting him too high. And if you're not a superstar then your pretty much a cog and dependent on those others for any post season success (as a cog you help, but you need to be on a team with some stars to have a chance). That leaves the financial aspect.

He made about 12M under his rookie deal with the Hawks, about 14M in Greece and has 34M guaranteed over the next 5 years. That'll be 60M in earnings for a role player, not to mention the pension or any further years he may hang on. That's a good career. Compare it to Matt Barnes who is a similar player (I'd argue better). He started a year earlier but didn't have that lottery pick spend on him. He'll still won't reach 10M at the end of the season. He's got a deal for 1.9M for next season and every year or two struggles just to get more than league minimum. If Josh Childress couldn't get more than the minimum when returning from Greece then I'd agree that he took the Greek paycheck and squander big potential future earnings. He didn't. He still got paid. And as poorly as his season is going he has 4 more guaranteed years of salary to resurrect it prior to hitting the market again. I'm not saying there is another payday out there, but their likely wasn't one even if he played well.

BTW, I didn't want anything to do with Childress before he went to Greece. I thought his rebounding and FG% numbers were inflated by the way Woodson used him and that the form on his outside shot would never be truly effective in the NBA be of it slow release and low release point. I just wish they had come to the realization earlier and traded him in 2005-2006 season, but Knight was GM so what could you do.

evildallas wrote:BTW, I didn't want anything to do with Childress before he went to Greece. I thought his rebounding and FG% numbers were inflated by the way Woodson used him and that the form on his outside shot would never be truly effective in the NBA be of it slow release and low release point. I just wish they had come to the realization earlier and traded him in 2005-2006 season, but Knight was GM so what could you do.

Far be it from me to defend BK (I don't even want to revisit my attitudes toward him... sometimes I get violent), but rumor was he did have a deal with TOR that would have sent Chills for a pre-injury, pre-extension Jose Calderon. The deal was killed by ASG because they liked Chills (maybe they thought the 'fro would be a ticket seller?), and BK was supposedly "hot" about that. I take rumors with a grain of salt, but there was some smoke there and from how things turned out (ASG offering to re-up BK @ the end), I do believe that there had to be some truth to it.

theatlfan wrote:Far be it from me to defend BK (I don't even want to revisit my attitudes toward him... sometimes I get violent), but rumor was he did have a deal with TOR that would have sent Chills for a pre-injury, pre-extension Jose Calderon. The deal was killed by ASG because they liked Chills (maybe they thought the 'fro would be a ticket seller?), and BK was supposedly "hot" about that. I take rumors with a grain of salt, but there was some smoke there and from how things turned out (ASG offering to re-up BK @ the end), I do believe that there had to be some truth to it.

You're right. Sekou Smith blogged it: http://www.ajc.com/blogs/content/shared ... e_rim.html

For the lazy - from 2008:

The Hawks had a trade on the table during training camp before last season where they could have moved Josh Childress to Toronto for their backup point guard at the time, some guy named Jose Calderon.

Knight was ready to pull the trigger but the Hawks balked at the last minute (why has never been made clear but one of my best spies has always maintained that Knight was prohibited from making the deal by his bosses for reasons my spy refuses to divulge to this day).