at the time, last summer, i think i would have made these decisions, if i was in such a position.
-let Joe walk to NYC.
-resign Jamal to a four year, 32M extention
-draft Whiteside and Stanley Robinson. i would probably be too scared to do the NJ trade, because i would have just wanted to snatch up Whiteside as fast as i could with the 24th pick
-sign Shaq to a two year contracts
-sign Wilkins to a one year contract
-go after Will Bynum or CJ Watson and see who would accept a two year contract.
Shaq/Whiteside
Horford/Zaza
Smoove/Marvin
Crawford/Evans
CJ Watson/Teague
Bibby/Wilkins
if i was GM, i think i would have gone after Shaq, but in hindsight, i guess Brad Miller or even Kwame would have been better options.
i don't know if WAS would come up to me and offer Kirk at this point. if they demanded the pick, i would have definitely said no, but if they just wanted Bibby and Evans, then i probably would have said yes to a Kirk trade. and their is no way i would ever do a Sessions trade, especially with his contract.
i think the line up is okay, and it gives alot of cap flexibility in the future
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We would be in the Lotto for sure or a team fighting to get the 8th seed.
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Ok with letting Joe move.
Didn't even think of the Jamal move, but no I would not have offered him that much. I was arguing for letting Joe walk and signing Wesley Matthews.
I liked the NJ trade and would have made it if my target was Whiteside. I would never have sold the pick to OKC though because I didn't see the need to overpay Joe to the absolute max. I was fine with Jordan Crawford pick at the time as a future Jamal replacement, but wanted the 2nd pick to be a big. I also wanted the pick you would have used on Stanley Robinson to go for Derrick Caracter as a potential space eater (pick 31 being for length).
I would not have signed Shaq for what he wanted out of us. And without a name like Joe it might have been a higher demand. He's played better than I expected when healthy this year, but not to level that a full MLE would have been worth it.
I like the Wilkins signing. I thought he'd be a good addition to the bench for some time. Although I admit that he's played better in spurts than I really expected.
Watson and Bynum weren't on my free agent targets. We didn't have the cap room to do one of them and Shaq and I already said my target was Wesley Matthews.
I was willing to take a big step back to reach further. I thought that we could still possibly make the playoffs with Matthews instead of Joe. I didn't see someone like Shaq as a priority because coming into the season I didn't realize that Josh could move to the 3. My plan was to draft some young bigs to develop as Centers behind Horford for a year.
To answer your title question: No. Wasn't a fan of all your proposed moves to sign off on them. I also think Shaq might have checked out on a struggling team. Although he might have boosted sales on name alone especially if he had done here some of the promotional stunts he did in Boston. He would have been a good business signing if not a basketball signing. Unfortunately I don't think we could have gotten him and Matthews both and Matthews fit better into my plan.
You didn't touch on this, but I wouldn't have hired Larry Drew either. Not saying anything about Larry Drew personally, just that I wanted a true outside voice to see the impact on Josh and Marvin. I think the change would help Josh go further and I needed a completely different voice to know if Marvin has any business on the roster.
Didn't even think of the Jamal move, but no I would not have offered him that much. I was arguing for letting Joe walk and signing Wesley Matthews.
I liked the NJ trade and would have made it if my target was Whiteside. I would never have sold the pick to OKC though because I didn't see the need to overpay Joe to the absolute max. I was fine with Jordan Crawford pick at the time as a future Jamal replacement, but wanted the 2nd pick to be a big. I also wanted the pick you would have used on Stanley Robinson to go for Derrick Caracter as a potential space eater (pick 31 being for length).
I would not have signed Shaq for what he wanted out of us. And without a name like Joe it might have been a higher demand. He's played better than I expected when healthy this year, but not to level that a full MLE would have been worth it.
I like the Wilkins signing. I thought he'd be a good addition to the bench for some time. Although I admit that he's played better in spurts than I really expected.
Watson and Bynum weren't on my free agent targets. We didn't have the cap room to do one of them and Shaq and I already said my target was Wesley Matthews.
I was willing to take a big step back to reach further. I thought that we could still possibly make the playoffs with Matthews instead of Joe. I didn't see someone like Shaq as a priority because coming into the season I didn't realize that Josh could move to the 3. My plan was to draft some young bigs to develop as Centers behind Horford for a year.
To answer your title question: No. Wasn't a fan of all your proposed moves to sign off on them. I also think Shaq might have checked out on a struggling team. Although he might have boosted sales on name alone especially if he had done here some of the promotional stunts he did in Boston. He would have been a good business signing if not a basketball signing. Unfortunately I don't think we could have gotten him and Matthews both and Matthews fit better into my plan.
You didn't touch on this, but I wouldn't have hired Larry Drew either. Not saying anything about Larry Drew personally, just that I wanted a true outside voice to see the impact on Josh and Marvin. I think the change would help Josh go further and I needed a completely different voice to know if Marvin has any business on the roster.
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^ i'm okay with Wesley Matthews. for me Matthews and Crawford are equal. Matthews is young and has potential, but at the time was a gamble and not sure of creating his own shot or taking over games, Crawford is experienced and a guy who can occasionally take over games in the 4th, but has already reached his peek. both guys are solid starters and reasonably priced and contract won't hurt at team in terms of ability to grow and improve. i'm okay with Matthews, but it does mean that Jamal cannot be brought back, so it is a "either or" scenario.
Shaq could have really fit into Larry Drew's game plan, because look how he is using Jason Collins. their was a discussion a few months ago on this board about bring in Shaq. the people who were for bring in Shaq, were suggesting doing exactly what Drew is doing with Collins right now. the people who were for bring in Shaq were suggesting to play Shaq substantial but limited minutes in crucial situation and moving Josh to SF for stretches at a time and putting Marvin on the bench, also allowing Horford to move to PF. the opponents of Shaq were highly against moving Josh to SF, saying that it would never work, but regardless, it is happening this year.
if Shaq decided not to come to ATL because Joe was no longer here, like you suggested, then that is fine, i would have just gone after Brad Miller or Kwame. and that would actually be a blessing in disguise, because even though Shaq is still able to contribute significantly at his age, Miller and Kwame have been playing really good this year, able to contribute to their teams, and been healthy.
i'm a big Will Bynum fan and last summer i knew Bibby was going to take a big step back. i thought it would be great if the Hawks could get a cheap, short term replacement with a guy like Bynum or CJ.
im okay with Larry Drew, but i think i would have try to go after Larry Brown. he is insane, but he and Rick Carlisle are the only coaches in the NBA that has the ability to make players, play one level above their potential, as bad as Charlotte is just look at how Brown was able to make the Bobcats look like a playoff team. Larry Brown is not player friendly, but he is a brilliant strategist
Shaq could have really fit into Larry Drew's game plan, because look how he is using Jason Collins. their was a discussion a few months ago on this board about bring in Shaq. the people who were for bring in Shaq, were suggesting doing exactly what Drew is doing with Collins right now. the people who were for bring in Shaq were suggesting to play Shaq substantial but limited minutes in crucial situation and moving Josh to SF for stretches at a time and putting Marvin on the bench, also allowing Horford to move to PF. the opponents of Shaq were highly against moving Josh to SF, saying that it would never work, but regardless, it is happening this year.
if Shaq decided not to come to ATL because Joe was no longer here, like you suggested, then that is fine, i would have just gone after Brad Miller or Kwame. and that would actually be a blessing in disguise, because even though Shaq is still able to contribute significantly at his age, Miller and Kwame have been playing really good this year, able to contribute to their teams, and been healthy.
i'm a big Will Bynum fan and last summer i knew Bibby was going to take a big step back. i thought it would be great if the Hawks could get a cheap, short term replacement with a guy like Bynum or CJ.
im okay with Larry Drew, but i think i would have try to go after Larry Brown. he is insane, but he and Rick Carlisle are the only coaches in the NBA that has the ability to make players, play one level above their potential, as bad as Charlotte is just look at how Brown was able to make the Bobcats look like a playoff team. Larry Brown is not player friendly, but he is a brilliant strategist
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I am personally tired of hearing negative stuff about Marvin when he is trying to stay within his game and because other big shots are not playing up to par, namely Josh and Joe, he is getting a bad wrap. It even starts to affect Al!
Smoothe is forcing his way back into SF and LD is allowing that. I ma actually happy to see damian expending his game at the SF and starting to think offense a bit. Next year I would be happy to rebuild around Al, Marvin, Teague and get as much as we can for Smoothe, Joe (out of dallas probably) and eventually JC1 in S&T if at all possible and even Hinrich. To bad that we lost our 1st, if not it would have been worth tanking the season!
Smoothe is forcing his way back into SF and LD is allowing that. I ma actually happy to see damian expending his game at the SF and starting to think offense a bit. Next year I would be happy to rebuild around Al, Marvin, Teague and get as much as we can for Smoothe, Joe (out of dallas probably) and eventually JC1 in S&T if at all possible and even Hinrich. To bad that we lost our 1st, if not it would have been worth tanking the season!
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Just about any scenario other than signing Joe to a 120 million dollar contract would have been better in hindsight.
The Hawks biggest blunder was the fact that they didn't even negotiate...they offered the full 6 year boat as soon as the clock struck 12 on July 1st. His post "Decision" trade value would have increased quite a bit once teams like Chicago and Dallas realized they weren't getting LeBron.
The Hawks biggest blunder was the fact that they didn't even negotiate...they offered the full 6 year boat as soon as the clock struck 12 on July 1st. His post "Decision" trade value would have increased quite a bit once teams like Chicago and Dallas realized they weren't getting LeBron.
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Geaux_Hawks wrote:We would be in the Lotto for sure or a team fighting to get the 8th seed.
i'm actually okay with that. it would give the Hawks the ability to draft a quality player, have enough cap to sign a max player, and still have Horford and Smoove in their prime.