New Hawks Off-Season Plan...

[pja123]

Trade No.1 (between Atlanta, Golden State, & Indy)
Hawks get:
Monta Ellis

Warriors get:
Danny Granger

Pacers get:
Josh Smith

WHY IT COULD WORK FOR THE HAWKS:
A backcourt of Ellis and JJ would be sick-nasty. Plus, Ellis is still relatively young and is a native of GA. He'd be a great addition to this team.


Trade No.2 (between Atlanta, Phoenix, & Sacto)
Hawks get:
Robin Lopez

Suns get:
Jason Thompson
Francisco Garcia

Kings get:
Jeff Teague
Hakim Warrick

WHY IT COULD WORK FOR THE HAWKS:
Lopez would fill the hole in the middle. He's a young 7'footer who'd pair nicely with Horford up front. Losing Teague wouldn't be too bad with Ellis now on board.

FREE AGENCY:
Sign J.R. Smith - 4 years/22 million
why?
Smith is athletic and a damn good shooter. He'd be a good replacement 2G for JC off the bench.

Sign Chris Wilcox - 1 year/league minimum
why?
Wilcox adds more size and athleticism up front.

Sign Jamario Moon - 1 year/league minimum
why?
Decent backup 2/3.

Re-sign Damien Wilkens - 1 year/league minumum
why?
He's a solid backup 3.

Sign Dan Gadzuric- 1 year/league minimum
why?
More depth up front.


NEW HAWKS ROSTER:
PG-Monta Ellis/Kirk Hinrich
SG-Joe Johnson/J.R. Smith
SF-Marvin Williams/Damien Wilkens/Jamario Moon
PF-Al Horford/Chris Wilcox
C-Robin lopez/Zaza Pachulia/Dan Gadzuric

[BAMABIRD]

I just might buy season tickets if this was our line-up!

[BAMABIRD]

I just might buy season tickets if this was our line-up!

[Jamaaliver]

Dude, did you seriously delete an entire thread because we didn't agree with your suggestion?

That seems...petty. Like an abuse of powers.

Bad moderator.

[Jamaaliver]

And if you think Josh Smith is a headache, JR Smith is even worse.

Plus Monta Ellis doesn't play D and isn't exactly a ball distributor. If you hated Iso-Joe, Iso-Monta might be even worse.

I'd rather go with cheap vets who specialize in something and have actually had team/indiviual success in the league. Ellis, and JR Smith seem really immature and ike cancers. When things get tough, they have never shown a willingness to stick with a plan and continue playing like a team.

I do like bringing in C Wilcox and re-signing D Wilkins should already be a lock.

[Geaux_Hawks]

When I first looked at your trade suggestion, I said why would we need to do this besides the Lopez deal? But as I looked at Ellis stats a bit more, I said why haven't we done this yet, especially if we get Dorell Wright in the deal. Ellis is very effective at passing the ball and is in the top 3 in steals. our transition offense would be so much better with Wright and Ellis. Overall we get a guy who can score 20+ ppg while distributing the ball for about 5 or 6 assist a game and a wing who can hit the 3 at a high 39%. The other trade makes even more sense with Lopez.

The only thing I would change is instead of JR, go after Mayo& Haddadi and have Marvin involved in a 3 team trade with MEM and LAC and sign McRoberts,McGrady, Wilkins, Armstrong, and draft Keith Benson. We would have so much size and depth. and be under the tax

[HMFFL]

I have supported Monta Ellis being on this team before he was even drafted. Other members on this board also wanted us to draft, but it's just another one of Billy Knight's mistakes.

Indiana probably stays within the team and continues to develop Tyler Hansbrough. Tyler has been playing some fantastic ball as of late and appears to headed in the right direction. Indiana would need to think very highly of Josh Smith and I doubt they do.

Golden State has a need at the 5, not the 4, so why do they do this trade? If they trade Monta Ellis it only opens up another need at the 2, maybe the 1, if they want to move Stephen Curry to the 2, but I doubt that's the case. If they move Ellis it's going to be for a more traditional 2 or a big man.

Rumors earlier this season said the Kings offered Jason Thompson for Jeff Teague and we declined. So, why would we accept Robin Lopez for him? Robin has one more year to prove himself or any value he may have will decline considerably because Phoenix most likely won't want to pay his QF.

[Geaux_Hawks]

i have supported Monta Ellis being on this team before he was even drafted. Other members on this board also wanted us to draft, but it's just another one of Billy Knight's mistakes.

Indiana probably stays within the team and continues to develop Tyler Hansbrough. Tyler has been playing some fantastic ball as of late and appears to headed in the right direction. Indiana would need to think very highly of Josh Smith and I doubt they do.

Golden State has a need at the 5, not the 4, so why do they do this trade? If they trade Monta Ellis it only opens up another need at the 2, maybe the 1, if they want to move Stephen Curry to the 2, but I doubt that's the case. If they move Ellis it's going to be for a more traditional 2 or a big man.

Rumors earlier this season said the Kings offered Jason Thompson for Jeff Teague and we declined. So, why would we accept Robin Lopez for him? Robin has one more year to prove himself or any value he may have will decline considerably because Phoenix most likely won't want to pay his QF.

Indiana Fans have all said they like Hansbrough but if an upgrade at PF is available then they would like to take it. GS fans on the other end say they want an upgrade at SF and are willing to move Ellis just to do so.So with all things being considered, ATL provides the PF to Indy, Indy the SF to GS, and GS the effective passing combo guard to ATL.

I think Sund declined becuz he felt Thompson was to soft and weak to play C and is more of a PF.Lopez is a legit 7 foot guy who has defensive skills, pretty much what the Hawks need. I think the Hawks had to give up a first in that deal for Thompson as well.

[HMFFL]

i have supported Monta Ellis being on this team before he was even drafted. Other members on this board also wanted us to draft, but it's just another one of Billy Knight's mistakes.

Indiana probably stays within the team and continues to develop Tyler Hansbrough. Tyler has been playing some fantastic ball as of late and appears to headed in the right direction. Indiana would need to think very highly of Josh Smith and I doubt they do.

Golden State has a need at the 5, not the 4, so why do they do this trade? If they trade Monta Ellis it only opens up another need at the 2, maybe the 1, if they want to move Stephen Curry to the 2, but I doubt that's the case. If they move Ellis it's going to be for a more traditional 2 or a big man.

Rumors earlier this season said the Kings offered Jason Thompson for Jeff Teague and we declined. So, why would we accept Robin Lopez for him? Robin has one more year to prove himself or any value he may have will decline considerably because Phoenix most likely won't want to pay his QF.

Indiana Fans have all said they like Hansbrough but if an upgrade at PF is available then they would like to take it. GS fans on the other end say they want an upgrade at SF and are willing to move Ellis just to do so.So with all things being considered, ATL provides the PF to Indy, Indy the SF to GS, and GS the effective passing combo guard to ATL.

I think Sund declined becuz he felt Thompson was to soft and weak to play C and is more of a PF.Lopez is a legit 7 foot guy who has defensive skills, pretty much what the Hawks need. I think the Hawks had to give up a first in that deal for Thompson as well.

Sure, Indiana would love to have an upgrade at every position, but trading Danny Granger for Josh Smith is probably not the ideal trade that appeals to them. Trading for Josh Smith and giving up young talent and (or) a pick would be appealing.

Danny Granger would be an upgrade for Golden State, but it also opens up another hole that is already filled, and having Dorell Wright means they can focus on improving other areas of the team.

I wish I could think as highly about Robin Lopez as you do. The only thing the young man has going for him is his size because he is far from being a defensive minded player.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Well they do have Paul George, and maybe a mid round pick. A more likely trade could be something like adding Philly to the deal, and sending Turner or Iggy to GS and George + pick to Philly.

If not and we go back to the OP proposal, then I think it helps to say that GS says they would take an upgrade at SF if the chance came to them and Indiana's Paul George + a pick could be fair game as they don't mind splitting up the defensively undersized back-court .I think they don't believe Wright is the SF for them as he really doesn't bring a lot of D. I still feel like Josh is equal value for Granger straight up, but I also think George is more valuable than Granger based on his potential, so Indiana would be better off trading him now and getting some kind of return for a very young core.Granger is 27 YOA, so even if it takes George 2 or 3 years to become his potential, then at least they will have gotten something of value out of Granger already before his value goes down.

Lopez isn't an Elite defender, but he is young and seems to me like he can be that great defender, that will rebound and cash in on clean up points.I guess i'm thinking something like Varejao

[HMFFL]

Well they do have Paul George, and maybe a mid round pick. A more likely trade could be something like adding Philly to the deal, and sending Turner or Iggy to GS and George + pick to Philly.

A more likely trade would be moving Josh Smith to one of the teams that are desperate like the Cavs or Kings.

If not and we go back to the OP proposal, then I think it helps to say that GS says they would take an upgrade at SF if the chance came to them and Indiana's Paul George + a pick could be fair game as they don't mind splitting up the defensively undersized back-court .I think they don't believe Wright is the SF for them as he really doesn't bring a lot of D. I still feel like Josh is equal value for Granger straight up, but I also think George is more valuable than Granger based on his potential, so Indiana would be better off trading him now and getting some kind of return for a very young core.Granger is 27 YOA, so even if it takes George 2 or 3 years to become his potential, then at least they will have gotten something of value out of Granger already before his value goes down.

GS has never cared about playing defense, so what makes you think they'd start now?

I disagree about Granger. I think he has more value and they would pass on trading him for Josh Smith. Indiana has the 1 and 3 set. They have roughly $30 million in cap space to focus on the other positions and to improve their team. The future is going to be bright for Indiana if they can make wise draft choices and convince free agents to play for them.

Lopez isn't an Elite defender, but he is young and seems to me like he can be that great defender, that will rebound and cash in on clean up points.I guess i'm thinking something like Varejao

Lopez is going to be the type of player that bounces around to team after team and gets traded for a measly second round pick. The guy has no defensive skills or offensive skills. His brother is the one that has potential, but even his defense is questionable.

[Geaux_Hawks]

GS has never cared about playing defense, so what makes you think they'd start now?

I disagree about Granger. I think he has more value and they would pass on trading him for Josh Smith. Indiana has the 1 and 3 set. They have roughly $30 million in cap space to focus on the other positions and to improve their team. The future is going to be bright for Indiana if they can make wise draft choices and convince free agents to play for them.

30 mill in cap space and they can't convince FA to come there. West would rather go to NJ, Randolph will most likely be re-signed now, Glen Davis could be an option, but is he a starter in the league and will he rather go back to Boston?, Kenyon Martin wants a definite ring, Maybe Carl Landry, or maybe Thad Young accepts an unmatchable offer sheet.

Lopez isn't an Elite defender, but he is young and seems to me like he can be that great defender, that will rebound and cash in on clean up points.I guess i'm thinking something like Varejao

Lopez is going to be the type of player that bounces around to team after team and gets traded for a measly second round pick. The guy has no defensive skills or offensive skills. His brother is the one that has potential, but even his defense is questionable.

Maybe you are right, either way I think the Hawks need to gamble on some young Centers many feel aren't capable of being long term starters. Hawes, Robin Lopez,Biedrins, Cole aldrich, BJ Mullens, Bargnani.

[parson]

I liked Lopez - last year - for his defensive potential. This year, however, he looks hurt. We'd better look closely at his health (his back, especially) before we traded for him. He might be damaged goods.

I agree in principle with the idea of getting a defensive big.

[Ruhiel]

Bargnani & Dwight Howard



srsly though its Dalembert or bust,

[#1 pick]

This is lateral, no lateral trades would help us. We need a talent infusion, not more of the same. Ellis can't play PG neither especially in our lack of a system.

[scoobs07]

What about Smith and Pachulia to the Clippers for Kaman, Aminu and the Clippers 2nd round pick which should be around 35-38 range. Horford would really excel moving to power forward full time. The Hawks would greatly benefit from this deal by adding a true center and letting Horford play his natural position. Look at how much the Green/Perkins trade has improved OKC. Hawks get a 20 yr old lottery pick SF to help replace Smith.

[Ruhiel]

What about Smith and Pachulia to the Clippers for Kaman, Aminu and the Clippers 2nd round pick which should be around 35-38 range. Horford would really excel moving to power forward full time. The Hawks would greatly benefit from this deal by adding a true center and letting Horford play his natural position. Look at how much the Green/Perkins trade has improved OKC. Hawks get a 20 yr old lottery pick SF to help replace Smith.

+1

ooh..nvr thought about that one, that would be a scary team athletically,
Williams,Gordon,Smith,Griffin,Jordan

or Smith could play a Manu/Lamar role I'm rlly hoping Smith could get back to his lighter weight/highflyer ways

[D21]

I don't want one more "looser", that's why I would not bet anything on Ellis.

I will be a bit radical, but Crawford is enough. The guy saved us on some games, but that's all. He did not make us better than when we had Murray instead of him.
And now, we are talking about adding Ellis.

He's a personal stats machine this year, but they loose with him on the floor more than with any other players.
I am really tired of athletic and flashy players if it makes us worst. If they play for personal stats and contract, but not for winning and makes the team better, I don't want them.

[xRapHeadx]

I don't want one more "looser", that's why I would not bet anything on Ellis.

I will be a bit radical, but Crawford is enough. The guy saved us on some games, but that's all. He did not make us better than when we had Murray instead of him.
And now, we are talking about adding Ellis.

He's a personal stats machine this year, but they loose with him on the floor more than with any other players.
I am really tired of athletic and flashy players if it makes us worst. If they play for personal stats and contract, but not for winning and makes the team better, I don't want them.

He leads the league in minutes on a bad team...His +/- should be bad..

Monta's much much better than Crawful or Flip.

[geeman]

I think this may be a way out of this mess and a win-win for both teams

Dallas - Brendon Haywood & Jason Terry For Joe Johnson

Jason only has 1 year remainding and Brendon has 4 at around 8mil per year