Would the Knicks still be interested in Joe?

[Harry10]

Joe for Billups....... i know NYC, NJN, and CHI really wanted Joe last summer and willing to pay the same price that the Hawks did. I wonder if any team would still be interested

[Geaux_Hawks]

Landry Fields eliminate the need for Joe, but I would take Fields and Billups for Joe.New Jersey may be willing, but Chicago is doubtful to me.

[Harry10]

^ Joe for Taj Gibson, Korver, Brewer, and Watson?

might be easier to trade smaller pieces than Joe's big contract.

[Geaux_Hawks]

^ Joe for Taj Gibson, Korver, Brewer, and Watson?

might be easier to trade smaller pieces than Joe's big contract.

I was hoping more for Asik, Brewer,'11 first & a future top 25 protected first

[Harry10]

^ i'll take a pick if they give it, but i do want Taj Gibson, he is the only guy who has value for the Bulls

[Harry10]

Joe for Jason Terry, a pick, and filler
Dallas as an owner who is willing to spend, and with Dirk getting older, Dallas fans might be getting desperate to take on Joe. i wouldn't even mind releasing Terry so he can go back to the Mavs with Dirk and Joe.

Joe for Okur, Favors, and filler
i don't know if the Jazz would take Joe's contract, but with Joe's skills, he would fit perfectly into the system, and would probably produce more in Utah.

[Geaux_Hawks]

^ i'll take a pick if they give it, but i do want Taj Gibson, he is the only guy who has value for the Bulls

You don't think Asik could come in a be a 12/10 guy with 2+ blocks.Gibson just gives us another PF guy who does has some defensive value and can hit a well from mid range, but I doubt we get Asik and Gibson. I do the Chicago trade if we get Asik,Gibson,Brewer& '11 first

That Utah trade wouldn't be bad. We could turn Favors into Lamar Odom or run him with Al and Josh on the floor sometimes without Okur.

The Dallas trade would have to have 2 firsts somewhere and be the last resort type trade. Terry is another Jamal Crawford.

[evildallas]

To answer the original question, not likely. As far as where the thread is going, a lot depends on the new cba. If there are major changes in the financial constraints then Joe will be untouchable. If they leave an avenue for an owner to overspend within the system like the current luxury tax system does then he might be attractive to someone. I don't think Chicago would do the trade though because of chemistry concerns. They would love an upgrade at the 2 position, but not a ball stopper or someone who might not fit with Rose. The SG in their system should optimally be a lock down defender who is a catch and shoot stud. Joe can do the catch and shoot thing (he did in Phoenix), but it is a question if he wants to or if he willingly would accept not being the man. Not sure if he's a consistent defender anymore.

For his payday and mentality, a team needs to see Joe as a centerpiece not a compliment or have really deep pockets. Utah might make sense except their ownership is really tight on money. Bottom line is more than likely he's here for the duration, but I'd still shop him and hope for a do over.

[Ruhiel]

^ i'll take a pick if they give it, but i do want Taj Gibson, he is the only guy who has value for the Bulls

You don't think Asik could come in a be a 12/10 guy with 2+ blocks.Gibson just gives us another PF guy who does has some defensive value and can hit a well from mid range, but I doubt we get Asik and Gibson. I do the Chicago trade if we get Asik,Gibson,Brewer& '11 first

That Utah trade wouldn't be bad. We could turn Favors into Lamar Odom or run him with Al and Josh on the floor sometimes without Okur.

The Dallas trade would have to have 2 firsts somewhere and be the last resort type trade. Terry is another Jamal Crawford.

Terry is more than a Jamal Crawford. He is an expiring contract in 2012!
You don't want filler from CHI.

Going into 2012-13
:star PG:/Marvin Williams/Josh Smith*/Al Horford/Dwight Howard*
Jeff Teague/:big wing:/Al Thornton/Ike Diogu/Zaza Pachulia

[Geaux_Hawks]

^ i'll take a pick if they give it, but i do want Taj Gibson, he is the only guy who has value for the Bulls

You don't think Asik could come in a be a 12/10 guy with 2+ blocks.Gibson just gives us another PF guy who does has some defensive value and can hit a well from mid range, but I doubt we get Asik and Gibson. I do the Chicago trade if we get Asik,Gibson,Brewer& '11 first

That Utah trade wouldn't be bad. We could turn Favors into Lamar Odom or run him with Al and Josh on the floor sometimes without Okur.

The Dallas trade would have to have 2 firsts somewhere and be the last resort type trade. Terry is another Jamal Crawford.

Terry is more than a Jamal Crawford. He is an expiring contract in 2012!
You don't want filler from CHI.

Going into 2012-13
:star PG:/Marvin Williams/Josh Smith*/Al Horford/Dwight Howard*
Jeff Teague/:big wing:/Al Thornton/Ike Diogu/Zaza Pachulia

Jamal expires this year,so we already have that money that Terry would over paidly get off the books. Why not take those fillers from Chicago?!?! Asik is a guy to throw at Dwight and can still be a 12/10 guy with 2+ blocks. Taj Gibson comes off the bench and can provide as a quality bench guy both ways. Ronnie Brewer would be a defensive stopper, and then draft Tyler Zeller with the first.

I'm not a believer in the Dwight/Paul/Deron pipe dream, but i would take one of the PG's. If we did some how get either(Which would probably be Paul, If he wanted to go to a contender and be close to NC), then great job to the FO, but I would rather invest time and energy somewhere else.

2012-2013

1-CP3/Teague/Iman Shumpert(whenever he declares)
2-O.J Mayo/Brewer/Shumpert
3-Josh/2012 first
4-Horford/Gibson/Josh/Zeller
5-Asik/Bargnani/Zeller/Keith Benson

We just sign any other player if needed, like maybe some 3 point shooting Wings(Big 2 guard/3 type guys)or another Center like Fesenko in Utah.

I would go over the tax for that team, if it even required hitting the tax. Quality, bulky, Defensive Center with a floor spacer coming off the bench and young bench fillers at Center. Then have a great mid range shooting PF with quality depth behind him. SF might be in the air but Josh Smith in the starting front court makes us look good either way with his all around abilities, and a young SF to follow him.SG would have a scorer starting and a defensive back up plus a young guard who can shoot. PG is our most talented position and would be the Top 10 "Super Star" we need for a championship.

I like that better than putting Marvin at SG, signing those garbage bench guys and focusing everything around Dwight including salary.

[Ruhiel]

/Williams/Smith/Horford/
Teague/Pachulia

only have $41 million commited between them. If CP3/Deron and Howard want to play together they are going to have to take a pay cut anyways, $14 mil to both of them puts Hawks at $69 mil approaching the tax. signing bench players Diogu, Thornton, and a comeback player like Redd or McGrady or a draft pick or a struggling player like Stanley Robinson/Josh Howard would be $3 million at most altogether.
Plenty of undervalued talent in the leaue. We will see what the CBA looks like but Howard wants to play with a PG he will have to sacrifice $ or end up with a bad team with holes in it.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Why not just trade Joe for the so called fillers in chicago, sign Paul and make my other moves. Two super stars aren't needed on a team with 2 high quality starters making a combined 25 mill that year.

[Ruhiel]

Why not just trade Joe for the so called fillers in chicago, sign Paul and make my other moves. Two super stars aren't needed on a team with 2 high quality starters making a combined 25 mill that year.

I'm not the one you have to convince. Try telling that to Dwight or Chris Paul/Deron. After seeing what happened in MIA and NYK. Players leaving their teams will want to go All Out. Whichever team locks down Dwight will easily attract an All Star point guard.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Why not just trade Joe for the so called fillers in chicago, sign Paul and make my other moves. Two super stars aren't needed on a team with 2 high quality starters making a combined 25 mill that year.

I'm not the one you have to convince. Try telling that to Dwight or Chris Paul/Deron. After seeing what happened in MIA and NYK. Players leaving their teams will want to go All Out. Whichever team locks down Dwight will easily attract an All Star point guard.

Dwight has said he doesn't want a "Super Team" like NYK and the Heat are building and is more reluctant to just stay in Orlando and let them build around him...Deron is more likely to go to NYK if West and some other names don't come to NJ. CP3 just wants a better contender that would be better than NOH. If you are going to chase any of the 3 then CP3 would be more likely to come and sign a 5 year 15-18 mill a year deal with annual increases similar to the one he is on now and with Joe going to Chicago for the "fillers", then we could build a championship contender in one year with other very possible moves as well.

Athletic, Talented, and Big enough to beat MIA's undersized non talented, bigs and ORL's one trick pony; with the Defense to slow down the NYK's running powered offense. Chicago would be the only team I would fear, if they retooled their Bigs on the bench after the Joe trade as Joe will abuse Mayo and Brewer one way or another.

I might be in a fantasy world for thinking Joe could be traded to Chicago, but if i had to do a trade then that might be the most assets we could assemble and i would take it anyway.Anything else is more of a band aid or salary dump type trade that puts in a position where we wold not look attractive. Paul wouldn't want to come then because we would be a rebuilding team. We would just need the owners to live up to their word about paying the tax for such a contender and a GM to sell the Joe to CHI trade.

[panthermark]

Hi ya'll...
Just wanted to point out a quick note in the original post. Chicago wasn't willing to pay JoeJ what Atlanta paid him. He would have been offered "Boozer" money from Chicago ($15M a year). So with that said, I don't see Chicago taking on his contract. Bulls are looking for an Aaron Afflalo/Courtney Lee type player....and salary.....

Maybe Detroit?

[HoopsGuru25]

Why not just trade Joe for the so called fillers in chicago, sign Paul and make my other moves. Two super stars aren't needed on a team with 2 high quality starters making a combined 25 mill that year.

I'm not the one you have to convince. Try telling that to Dwight or Chris Paul/Deron. After seeing what happened in MIA and NYK. Players leaving their teams will want to go All Out. Whichever team locks down Dwight will easily attract an All Star point guard.

I don't think the Hawks are getting Deron or Paul either(although it's not impossible)...but could you please stop mentioning Dwight's name with the Hawks? He'd have to be insane to leave his current situation to come to the Hawks.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Why not just trade Joe for the so called fillers in chicago, sign Paul and make my other moves. Two super stars aren't needed on a team with 2 high quality starters making a combined 25 mill that year.

I'm not the one you have to convince. Try telling that to Dwight or Chris Paul/Deron. After seeing what happened in MIA and NYK. Players leaving their teams will want to go All Out. Whichever team locks down Dwight will easily attract an All Star point guard.

I don't think the Hawks are getting Deron or Paul either(although it's not impossible)...but could you please stop mentioning Dwight's name with the Hawks? He'd have to be insane to leave his current situation to come to the Hawks.

+1000

[Harry10]

Why not just trade Joe for the so called fillers in chicago, sign Paul and make my other moves. Two super stars aren't needed on a team with 2 high quality starters making a combined 25 mill that year.

I'm not the one you have to convince. Try telling that to Dwight or Chris Paul/Deron. After seeing what happened in MIA and NYK. Players leaving their teams will want to go All Out. Whichever team locks down Dwight will easily attract an All Star point guard.

I don't think the Hawks are getting Deron or Paul either(although it's not impossible)...but could you please stop mentioning Dwight's name with the Hawks? He'd have to be insane to leave his current situation to come to the Hawks.

"current situation"??? you mean the current situation that has Arenas and his contract on the books and Turkoglu? or the current situation were Gortat was traded away, so that now Dwight has to watch out for every foul???

this is absolutely ridiculous! i can understand about making an argument about Dwight going to Dallas or Boston over Atlanta, but the Orlando situation is an absolute train reck

[johnny878]

would he even fit much at all? with amare and melo, you think they would be better off spreading the money around elsewhere giving them a balanced team then another high paid offensive star.

i think joe would be sick on dallas. after that, the only teams i could see takin him are some smaller crap teams. and we'd probably have to eat a not so pretty contract too which id be fine with.

[HoopsGuru25]

"current situation"??? you mean the current situation that has Arenas and his contract on the books and Turkoglu? or the current situation were Gortat was traded away, so that now Dwight has to watch out for every foul???

this is absolutely ridiculous! i can understand about making an argument about Dwight going to Dallas or Boston over Atlanta, but the Orlando situation is an absolute train reck

Look at what Orlando is spending on their coach,roster,and arena and look at the Hawks who have gone over 10 years(2 different CBA's)w/o winning a single 2nd round playoff game,have spent the least amount of money possible on their last 2 coaching searched,and are one of the few NBA teams who've never paid the tax for even one season. They may play in a nice city(like the Clippers)but they operate as if they are a small market team.