Josh Smith

[myrak433]

I was wondering if anyone have notice that Smoove may be our best player? I was all in for Trading either Smoove or Horford for a center and I was leaning more of trading Smoove. But now I am leaning more toward moving Horford. we would loose so much on our defense with Smoove gone I think we would take too much of a step backward. did you see how Howard was Killing Horford when he was covering him, not only Howard but Bass was eating Horford's lunch as well. and Horford didn't give to much on the Offensive end either. I still want to keep both but I now feel that if one has to go it should be Horford.

[Harry10]

Hawks should exhaust all options and scenarios of trading Joe first, then look into Horford or Smoove.

[JoshB914]

Smoove may not be our best player. But he's probably our most important one.

[theatlfan]

Disregard how Horford is playing now - remember that he's got a hammy issue and isn't his normal self. But IF it comes down to the Josh vs. Smoove as to who to trade to balance the team better, then I'd have a hard time deciding. This debate was raging here last off season til about the start of the season - although it never really stopped.

I'd think that everyone here would agree that Smoove offers more upside while Horford offers more consistency and stability. I like Smoove's passing ability more than Horford's and I think opponent's fear Smoove more - at least on D - and that means he's more of a game changer. OTOH, I think that Smoove's game will peter out much quicker than Horford's since Smoove depends on his athleticism more than Horford. Also, it appears that opponents (well, the posters on the T&T board... for what that's worth) think that Horford should attract more return than Smoove.

Honestly, I hope we never have to choose between the 2. Hopefully, we can have those 2 and add the "true C" who can give us 30+ mins/night to compliment them. But if we did, for me, it would really boil down to what we could get for either, and which package would compliment the 1 we aren't trading better.

[evildallas]

I wouldn't overreact to one game if I was you. If you did then you probably had a different opinion after our last road game in Chicago when Josh's turnovers and bad shot selection contributed to the game being blown wide open.

In my opinion, both players are very talented with different edges. The thing that stands out about Al is his consistency of effort and focus. If Josh always played like A MAN then he'd be THE MAN, but sadly he is often the petulant child.

[Ruhiel]

Smoove may not be our best player. But he's probably our most important one.

That's contradictory, but it just shows you that people don't like his attitude. People will overlook results if u have a bad attitude which Smith sometimes has when he feels refs are screwing him and by an extension the team.

Hawks should exhaust all options and scenarios of trading Joe first, then look into Horford or Smoove.

+1000

At one point Joe was the most productive player on the team at around 19 PER against the entire league. But then Josh Smith surpassed him last year to around Carmelo levels. And then Horford surpassed Smith at around 22. Smith's TS% is its highest this year and he still hasn't mastered anticipating leakouts like Melo has. He is backdown to Paul Pierce level in terms of PER (19). Josh can play, but he doesn't get respect or superstar calls around the league.
Just the other day I was watching Pierce drive on Smith in the fast break and Smoove took the charge in the chest, no-call.
Refs are human too they know who gets the superstar reputation and thus they sometimes protect others more. I feel that Josh's future is at the three if Hawks and Horford's at the 4.
Horford is not a GOAT power forward but he is the best in his class. As far as age, attitude, and mentality goes I have come to the realization it would be impossible to replace him.
Hawks business like mentality comes from Horford, Josh has the fire, and Joe is just somber and tries to be even-keel.
Joe's production is the most replaceable. Crawford's may not be for the simple fact he comes off the bench. But Josh is the best player at SF and Horf is the best at PF.
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Someone want to photoshop D12 in a Hawks uni? Preferably Red?

[ATL DirtyBird]

Smoove may not be our best player. But he's probably our most important one.

That's contradictory, but it just shows you that people don't like his attitude. People will overlook results if u have a bad attitude which Smith sometimes has when he feels refs are screwing him and by an extension the team.

What? Hes not our best player, but he is our most important player. Of course no one likes his attitude but that doesnt mean what me and Josh are saying is false. Its true. His play, more so than any other player, has a direct effect on the outcome of a game.

We can talk all we want about who should be traded, but the first trade that needs to be made is Joe. Josh should also be traded. We hate him, than he has a great game and we love him. At some point you need to pull the plug, regardless of how tantalizing his talent may be.

[ATL DirtyBird]

I wouldn't overreact to one game if I was you. If you did then you probably had a different opinion after our last road game in Chicago when Josh's turnovers and bad shot selection contributed to the game being blown wide open.

In my opinion, both players are very talented with different edges. The thing that stands out about Al is his consistency of effort and focus. If Josh always played like A MAN then he'd be THE MAN, but sadly he is often the petulant child.

This happens all the time. A lot of overreaction to a one game sample size, when we have a very large body of work that shows inconsistency and like you said petulant, child like actions.

Why would anyone wanna trade Al? Hes playing out of position and doing one hell of a job. He epitomizes everything you want in a basketball player.

[geeman]

I also would like to keep both and try to move Joe, but I think Al has more trade value. If the end game is to TRY to get D Howard back to the ATL Al ( plus player & Draft) is the only option

[Geaux_Hawks]

I think people don't look at how Al is so successful, even at Florida. When he was at Florida, he wasn't the MAN. Taurean Green, Corey Brewer, and Noah were the main guys on that team that created for Horford. Horford was just a solid player that had a consistent mid-range and was a good team defender.

Horford can't create on his own, nor is he a good individual defender. Brandon Bass is 6'8 250 and was backing Horford down with ease and he plays PF.I'm not a fan of getting rid of Smith or Horford, but if one needs to go and could land a Bogut or Howard player, then I trade Horford.

Like someone said earlier, Smith may not be the best player in your eye, but he is the more important one.

[myrak433]

I wouldn't overreact to one game if I was you. If you did then you probably had a different opinion after our last road game in Chicago when Josh's turnovers and bad shot selection contributed to the game being blown wide open.

In my opinion, both players are very talented with different edges. The thing that stands out about Al is his consistency of effort and focus. If Josh always played like A MAN then he'd be THE MAN, but sadly he is often the petulant child.

This happens all the time. A lot of overreaction to a one game sample size, when we have a very large body of work that shows inconsistency and like you said petulant, child like actions.

Why would anyone wanna trade Al? Hes playing out of position and doing one hell of a job. He epitomizes everything you want in a basketball player.

I am not basing this off of one game, I am looking at both Josh and Al's whole pro career. Every since Josh has been in the league he has added to his game making himself a better player. Horford is the same player he was when he was a rookie which is a very good player.

and I know Hoford is playing out of position, but he didn't last night and he didn't do too much on Bass and he couldn't really stop Bass from scoring either. I want to keep both, but I would trade Horford before Smith

[ATL DirtyBird]

I wouldn't overreact to one game if I was you. If you did then you probably had a different opinion after our last road game in Chicago when Josh's turnovers and bad shot selection contributed to the game being blown wide open.

In my opinion, both players are very talented with different edges. The thing that stands out about Al is his consistency of effort and focus. If Josh always played like A MAN then he'd be THE MAN, but sadly he is often the petulant child.

This happens all the time. A lot of overreaction to a one game sample size, when we have a very large body of work that shows inconsistency and like you said petulant, child like actions.

Why would anyone wanna trade Al? Hes playing out of position and doing one hell of a job. He epitomizes everything you want in a basketball player.

I am not basing this off of one game, I am looking at both Josh and Al's whole pro career. Every since Josh has been in the league he has added to his game making himself a better player. Horford is the same player he was when he was a rookie which is a very good player.

and I know Hoford is playing out of position, but he didn't last night and he didn't do too much on Bass and he couldn't really stop Bass from scoring either. I want to keep both, but I would trade Horford before Smith

Couldnt disagree more.

Regardless of how he is improved, he has improved very little mentally, which is his biggest flaw at this point. He can improve his ball handling, jump shot, and rebounding all he wants, but until he gains focus and maturity, he will never be what he can be. Like I said, there is a body of work that shows us what Josh is.

You just judged Horford off one game.

[Skyhawk1]

Yeah, let's trade Horford. Who needs a guy who shoots 55% from the floor and plays team basketball. We gotta keep Smith, that great shooter who loves the perimeter. A rebounding machine.You always know what you're going to get from him. What actually stands out to me is his consistency and Basketball IQ. Have you seen him running our fastbreak? He makes great decisions. Dude has no atiitude issues. He's a leader. Why would anyone trade J. Smith is beyond me. I don't see one single reason, specially over Horford.

[azuresou1]

Can't post the image due to size, but:

http://i.imgur.com/rtrK8.png

Horford has clearly made much bigger strides in his game than Josh has.

[Geaux_Hawks]

Can't post the image due to size, but:

http://i.imgur.com/rtrK8.png

Horford has clearly made much bigger strides in his game than Josh has.

For what Horford may do with shooting %, I just look at what Smith does, with his Assist's, Steal's, Block's, Rebound's being just slightly off, & Points/36 and I wonder how is Horford the better player??

Where is the clearly much bigger stride from Horford, when he only has 3 Categories that he is truly better in(eFG%, FG%, FT%)?? Everything else is either not far off or Smith is better in. The PER stats gets way over abused, and Horford still doesn't have a more significant PER.

I will continue to stay on Josh's wagon, and no, I don't hate Al or wish he was gone.

[azuresou1]

Al has gotten every single year of his career. Smoove hasn't.

[johnny878]

lol there is no way you can act like al has improved that much on a year to year basis and smooth hasnt

only thing al has really added since he came into the league his that consistent jumper. nothing else has really improved at all.

[Harry10]

^ the argument for Horford or for Smoove, i think, is very small, if one guy has a player rating on NBA live of 85, the other guy would be an 84. i think you guys are just arguing over one percentage point.

bottom line is that Dwight/Horford would be killer as well as Dwight/Smoove. i think that one duo might get one more win than the other, and that is about it. but their would more poetry if Dwight and Smoove were reunited.

[parson]

But, but, ... Josh Smith can JUMP so high!

[Ruhiel]

But, but, ... Josh Smith can JUMP so high!

not anymore really, both are the two best players on the Hawks