Bucher: Major changes will be made if playoffs go bad

ATL DirtyBird · Post #1 » by **ATL DirtyBird** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 7:30 pm

Should Hawks management take dynamite to this roster over the summer? The Hawks have no ceiling.

Ric Bucher: I'm told the Hawks will make major changes before the next time we play if they don't make at least a strong second-round showing this year in the playoffs.

This is what Ric Bucher said in a chat today. I love it!

parson · Post #2 » by **parson** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 7:37 pm

Scares me when they PROMISE a trade. It smacks of, "Hey, Atlanta! Here are some changes. Oops, we've drastically reduced payroll just in time to sell the team to an out-of-town buyer. Sorry." Haven't these owners embarrassed themselves enough?

johnny878 · Post #3 » by **johnny878** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 8:43 pm

haha, dont believe it. and im guessing they dont even have to worry about a 2nd round showing as the matchup their stuck with might be a first round sweep again

ATL DirtyBird · Post #4 » by **ATL DirtyBird** » Fri Apr 1, 2011 8:55 pm

johnny878 wrote:haha, dont believe it. and im guessing they dont even have to worry about a 2nd round showing as the matchup their stuck with might be a first round sweep again

No.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #5 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Sat Apr 2, 2011 12:44 am

The only major change the Hawks could possibly make at this point would be trading Horford or simply getting rid of Smith for nothing. No one else really has any value and if the Hawks do eventually trade Joe before the start of next year....it's because they were begging for someone to take him and took w/e crap they could get.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #6 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sat Apr 2, 2011 12:55 am

I think Hawks management consider a "Major Move" as just trading Marvin and Zaza. Unless that gets a scorer or Legit Center, then oh well for making a major move..

HoopsGuru25 · Post #7 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Sat Apr 2, 2011 1:03 am

I also want to add that I don't really put much stock into what Ric Bucher or ESPN has to say when it comes to the Hawks.

draycon530 · Post #8 » by **draycon530** » Sat Apr 2, 2011 6:42 am

Considering that over the last summer, our "money is no option" coach turned out to be Larry Drew, and our promised bigs that got signed with the extra money were Etan Thomas and Jason Collins, I don't think ASG knows the definition of a big move.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #9 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sun Apr 3, 2011 5:16 pm

Joe to Dallas for a '11 first, Terry to the Bulls, and Bulls send Asik, Ronnie Brewer to the Hawks, Haywood to Toronto for Bargnani(6th Man/scorer) to Atlanta and we go hard for CP3 in the summer of 2012(Most likely Big Name FA we could land.).

Make additional move for Mayo(Zaza + Dallas '11 pick + if needed fill).

I could live with that being our "Major Move" this summer

theatlfan · Post #10 » by **theatlfan** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 6:12 pm

Realistic ?: Are we even armed to make a "major" move right now?

From everything I've seen from Sund, he seems to be more "caretaker" than "innovator". He took whatever BK left him, rearranged a few small parts, and that's it. Not that I haven't been impressed with what he's doing, I am - he built some nice depth with more or less minor moves, he never really overpaid in $$ or talent in any transaction except for the JJ (and this one is even a little ?-able) and Hinrich deals, and we're in decent position to stay under the LT for the short term if we don't have any designs on resigning Crawford.

Still, I haven't seen anything that would scream that Sund would be the guy that I'd want to make the "major" moves. Maybe it's just that he hasn't needed to yet, or maybe it's more, I dunno. Thoughts?

Ruhiel · Post #11 » by **Ruhiel** » Mon Apr 4, 2011 6:37 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Joe to Dallas for a '11 first, Terry to the Bulls, and Bulls send Asik, Ronnie Brewer to the Hawks, and we go hard for CP3 in the summer of 2012(Most likely Big Name FA we could land.).

I could live with that being our "Major Move" this summer

Post #12 » by **HMFFL** » Wed Apr 6, 2011 12:29 pm

A drastic change will need to happen from now until the playoffs for us to even make a strong showing during the first round. The second round is no different, but we could very well get swept, and I would still expect the ASG to not make any drastic changes during the off-season.

Zaza Pachulia was mentioned in reports around the trade deadline, so I can see us exploring to move his contract, but moving $10 million off the books is probably a drastic move for the ASG. Moving Kirk Hinrich will possibly be needed if we have any intentions on keeping Jamal Crawford.

ray ray · Post #13 » by **ray ray** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 5:51 pm

Im not trying to troll but if the Hawks get swept again in the playoffs. Maybe its time to "shake it up" a little. The thing is that no one is going to trade for Joe Johnson. The only ones that will bring value back is either Josh Smith or Al Harford. Anyone else will bring smaller pieces that will only patch up things but not make an impact ala Kirk Hinrich.

myrak433 · Post #14 » by **myrak433** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 7:33 pm

ray ray wrote:Im not trying to troll but if the Hawks get swept again in the playoffs. Maybe its time to "shake it up" a little. The thing is that no one is going to trade for Joe Johnson. The only ones that will bring value back is either Josh Smith or Al Harford. Anyone else will bring smaller pieces that will only patch up things but not make an impact ala Kirk Hinrich.

i agree. and i would rather trade horford before Smoove. Although I would want to try to keep both of them first and move Marvin. but if we knew that we could get Dwight in 2012 I wouldn't mind moving Horford for a legtit point and a good back up Center. maybe something like Horford for Nash, Lopez and 2011 first round pick.

evildallas · Post #15 » by **evildallas** » Sat Apr 9, 2011 9:51 pm

The last time they burned the roster down to rebuild they had to make several bad trades in terms of talent to dump salary. Nothing short of moving Joe Johnson will change the ceiling for the Hawks in the near future. His contract is so bad though that you have to put major talent with him to make someone take it on.

Something like:
Joe Johnson
Josh Smith
to Cleveland for:
Baron Davis
Anderson Varejeo
JJ Hickson
Manny Harris

With their two lottery picks, the expiring contract of Antwan Jamison, and an trade exception (although it might expire before they can use it), the Cavaliers can rebuild quickly around Johnson and Smith. They could possibly do it all in the draft with possibly a PG like Kyrie Irving and a big like Kanter or Montiejunas or a SF like Terrence Jones. And I'm not ruling out the possibility of landing either Kyle Singler or Keith Benson at the top of the 2nd.

For Atlanta, it means getting to rebuild without the last 3 years of Joe's contract choking the cap. Al moves to the 4 and Varejeo likely gets the call as the undersized 5. Baron goes to PG with Hinrich playing the two. Teague continues to get an expanding role. Marvin will probably always underachieve but hopefully he'll step forward a little without Joe in the lineup. If Davis can keep his head straight the team would content to stay in the playoff hunt (at the bottom of it). If things fall apart then we should have a good draft position in 2012.

I know it is a horrible trade, but you are kidding yourself if you think we can get anything out of Joe. If we have to give away Josh to change the roster then the optimum rebuild trick would be to use him to get Joe off the cap.

ray ray · Post #16 » by **ray ray** » Sun Apr 10, 2011 12:02 am

myrak433 wrote:
ray ray wrote:Im not trying to troll but if the Hawks get swept again in the playoffs. Maybe its time to "shake it up" a little. The thing is that no one is going to trade for Joe Johnson. The only ones that will bring value back is either Josh Smith or Al Harford. Anyone else will bring smaller pieces that will only patch up things but not make an impact ala Kirk Hinrich.

i agree. and i would rather trade horford before Smoove. Although I would want to try to keep both of them first and move Marvin. but if we knew that we could get Dwight in 2012 I wouldn't mind moving Horford for a legtit point and a good back up Center. maybe something like Horford for Nash, Lopez and 2011 first round pick.

The Suns would do that imo. But they would try to unload Brooks and Lopez and their 1st for Horford first before getting rid of Nash. Gortat and Horford frontline would be sick!

reazun · Post #17 » by **reazun** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:29 pm

i hate to be pesimistic, but I dont see anyway that we will make a strong showing in the second round. in fact, i really doubt we will make it to the second round. more than likely we will get swept by the Magic. we relly dont match up good against them. so, lets hope for a good move. but really what could we do? i hope we dont trade Josh, but im up for anything

Ruhiel · Post #18 » by **Ruhiel** » Wed Apr 13, 2011 5:23 pm

HMFFL wrote:A drastic change will need to happen from now until the playoffs for us to even make a strong showing during the first round. The second round is no different, but we could very well get swept, and I would still expect the ASG to not make any drastic changes during the off-season.

Zaza Pachulia was mentioned in reports around the trade deadline, so I can see us exploring to move his contract, but moving $10 million off the books is probably a drastic move for the ASG. Moving Kirk Hinrich will possibly be needed if we have any intentions on keeping Jamal Crawford.

I think we could get into the second round. I know its spilt milk but If only we had given Joe a similar salary to Josh.
Bulls gave it to us last time with a focused D. Rose but I think its of note that most teams have holes as well.
Bulls- SG most nights
Celtics- center
Orlando- small forward/power forward
Knicks- center, shooting guard
Heat- center, point guard

Hawks are about to lose their 6th man as well, so yeah... the JJ signing will have a domino effect whether or not playoffs go bad. Knowing ASG they will bungle up trade pieces, Horford for Tyrus Thomas and Pryzbilla?.

Post #19 » by **Klomp** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:22 am

What type of offer would you take from MIN for JJ?

Post #20 » by **HMFFL** » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:23 am

Ruhiel wrote:Knowing ASG they will bungle up trade pieces, Horford for Tyrus Thomas and Pryzbilla?.

Joel Przybilla will be a RFA and won't be S&T. From my understanding he never really cared about being a Hawk the first go around, so I doubt he'd be open to it again. Horford is the keeper to me unless we receive a trade we cannot refuse.