Trade poll

evildallas · Post #1 » by **evildallas** » Mon May 9, 2011 8:53 pm

I am asking this question knowing that Gasol just had his worst playoff in years and that Josh had his best game maybe ever. I figure that will affect the voting, but I thought I'd raise the question anyway. If in the off-season the Lakers called up offering a swap of these two to get more youth and athleticism. Would you do it?

For case: Gasol is long and can play C allowing Al to move to PF full time. Josh is wildly inconsistent and can defy logic seemingly choosing the road least likely to success.

Against case: Gasol can be soft and is much older. Josh can be dominant when he's thinking straight and is the better defender.

Don't bother countering with wanting Bynum instead because trading him for Josh doesn't help the youth/athleticism factor. It would be a lateral move for them at best and more likely a step down given the height difference.

theatlfan · Post #2 » by **theatlfan** » Mon May 9, 2011 10:01 pm

Hard decision, but I went with "yes" with the caveat that I'd expect LAL to also help absorb the cost difference between the two. Maybe add in a Marvin for Shannon Brown or Barnes to the swap. Honestly though, if you would have asked on a different day, then I might have said no even if we could upgrade Marvin for cheaper.

I've been a Smoove defender for a long time, but I think that Gasol would be a good fit beside Horford. When Smoove is on, he can be an all-timer, but Gasol is on more than he is and isn't too far behind. It drives me batty to get consistently beat on the boards with 2 athletes like Horford and Smoove down low and I would think that Gasol would help there. Plus his ability to score in the low post should open up the outside for JJ and others more.

As far as Bynum, I have serious reservations about his knees. I get the feeling that LAL will deal him over Gasol, and whoever takes him will be left with the lesson of trading for potential instead of looking at the package that is being returned. I wouldn't want any part of him unless the deal was more akin to Marvin + Zaza + JC SNT for him. I'd be willing to take the risk - just not at premier prices.

johnny878 · Post #3 » by **johnny878** » Mon May 9, 2011 10:46 pm

i would rather center the trade around horford then smith

HoopsGuru25 · Post #4 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Mon May 9, 2011 10:52 pm

I'd trade anyone on the Hawks for Gasol.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #5 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue May 10, 2011 12:52 am

Might as well send out Horford instead. Regardless of where or who he plays against, he doesn't have a post game or athletic or coordinated enough to do some of the things Josh does. Love his mid-range, but that can't disappear in crucial times like now. Even it does, you have to have a plan B, something Josh does have(should be his plan A). Gasol can easily replace what Horford does and be a better defender and post player.

People might say I am a Josh lover,but how could you not when he is the better player When his head is on right. He literally dominated the Bulls in the paint. I just don't see why you trade him over Horford first.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #6 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue May 10, 2011 12:56 am

Can we get a "transactions" thread sticky.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #7 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:11 am

How did the thread turn to a Smith vs. Horford comparison? It's a hypothetical proposal that includes a yes or no option.

4 people have voted no but not one of those ppl have actually compared Smith to Gasol.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #8 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:16 am

Sorry my answer is no.

HoopsGuru25 · Post #9 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:21 am

And I have to question why. I find it extremely hard to believe that anyone here would have voted no to this poll question a month ago-maybe even 4 days ago.

Post #10 » by **HMFFL** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:58 am

It's a yes for me, but I doubt the Lakers would do it.

Geaux_Hawks: A transactions thread would just be a sticky with not enough replies. It's best to just create a topic and see how it goes from there.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #11 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:06 am

I would have said no a month ago as well. I can live with his poor shot selection. It is easily fixable. Josh can be just as good as Pau when his head is right, so Why trade the better half of your PF's when the latter can get the same value?

Geaux_Hawks · Post #12 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:09 am

HMFFL wrote:It's a yes for me, but I doubt the Lakers would do it.

Geaux_Hawks: A transactions thread would just be a sticky with not enough replies. It's best to just create a topic and see how it goes from there.

That's fine. I just figured it would be more convient

HoopsGuru25 · Post #13 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:18 am

Geaux_Hawks wrote:I would have said no a month ago as well. I can live with his poor shot selection. It is easily fixable. Josh can be just as good as Pau when his head is right, so Why trade the better half of your PF's when the latter can get the same value?

The entire premise of the thread is based on the fact that Josh Smith(who has the athleticism that ppl say the Lakers lack) just had a huge game and Gasol struggled during the playoffs. Gasol is way better than both Smith and Horford(imo)but the timing of Smith's huge game(same day Lakers got swept)made the proposal somewhat realistic.

Responding back with "trade Horford for Pau instead" defies all logic.

azuresou1 · Post #14 » by **azuresou1** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:48 am

I wouldn't, and here's why:

1) Pau Gasol is 5 years older than Josh.
2) Pau Gasol makes a pretty hefty chunk more.
3) Pau is signed through 2013/2014, which is an issue when you see points 1 & 2
4) I don't believe Pau can play the C full time - he's too soft.
5) He's a finesse big man who has no aggression on a team that is already all about jump shots and showing no leadership.
6) I don't think he makes us elite or a true powerhouse.

I would rather take my chances at internal development in our core which is still young except for Joe, or at the chance to trade for a legitimate C, than trade for Pau, which makes us better, but not enough so.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #15 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:48 am

I don't think LAL is necessarily looking for Josh Smith athletic, but just athleticism in general. If that is the case, then Horford can be sent instead. Yes, Gasol is better than both players, but just because Josh has a huge game doesn't really mean he should be gone. That game simply shows how dominate he can be. Why sell your best product right now? I mean evildallas clearly stated in his against case that Josh can be dominate,so knowing that, why wouldn't I counter with Horford for Pau?

HoopsGuru25 · Post #16 » by **HoopsGuru25** » Tue May 10, 2011 7:26 am

4) I don't believe Pau can play the C full time - he's too soft.
5) He's a finesse big man who has no aggression on a team that is already all about jump shots and showing no leadership.

I disagree with these 2 points completely. I actually think Gasol is a better C than PF and a team like the Hawks that is "all about jumpshots" is a great thing. Smith and Horford both shoot a ton of jumpers for big men while Gasol is and always has been a back to the basket player. He's also one of those players that will likely be able to give you quality play well into his mid to late 30s.

Geaux_Hawks wrote:I don't think LAL is necessarily looking for Josh Smith athletic, but just athleticism in general. If that is the case, then Horford can be sent instead. Yes, Gasol is better than both players, but just because Josh has a huge game doesn't really mean he should be gone. That game simply shows how dominate he can be. Why sell your best product right now? I mean evildallas clearly stated in his against case that Josh can be dominate,so knowing that, why wouldn't I counter with Horford for Pau?

Have you heard of the term "selling high"? Gasol is already much better than both of them but if the Lakers wanted to explore the trade(which they probably won't)then the one who is the hotter commodity(28 pts 16 rbs 8 assists) with more upside is likely the one they're going to be interested in. That's why the thread was made.

dwalton · Post #17 » by **dwalton** » Tue May 10, 2011 1:26 pm

this thread is really inappropriate, especially in the middle of a playoff series.... this why Atlanta is widely known as to having the worst fans in all of major sports.

Smith is better than Pau Gasol. next year, Pau Gasol will be apart of the "worst contracts in the NBA" club, and Josh Smith will still be apart of the "best contracts in the NBA" club.

their is a reason why major sports super stars would never want to play in Atlanta, and that is because of the horrible fan support that Atlanta has. you would never see threads like this on the LA, NYC, BOS, DAL, and CHI boards from their fans.

Post #18 » by **HMFFL** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:09 pm

dwalton wrote:this thread is really inappropriate, especially in the middle of a playoff series.... this why Atlanta is widely known as to having the worst fans in all of major sports.

Smith is better than Pau Gasol. next year, Pau Gasol will be apart of the "worst contracts in the NBA" club, and Josh Smith will still be apart of the "best contracts in the NBA" club.

Typical Josh Smith fan response. I like Josh Smith just as much as anyone on this forum, but he does frustrate me often, so if we can improve by trading him I would be all for it. Pau Gasol is much better and is going to be a future HOF. Josh Smith has yet to even make an All-Star team and he has some of the most bias Atlanta fans backing him.

mr_grabb · Post #19 » by **mr_grabb** » Tue May 10, 2011 2:34 pm

HoopsGuru25 wrote:I'd trade anyone on the Hawks for Gasol.

Agreed. On paper, this trade appears very close in value: Gasol is more experienced and well-rounded but Smith is much younger and athletic. However, I strongly feel like Gasol's team-first mentality truly helps his team reach higher grounds, and would do the same for the Hawks.

He defends the paint better, is a better rebounder, has much better shot selection, is a better free-throw shooter, and would allow to move Horford to the 4. I also remember how well he and Odom played Howard defensively in the finals in '09...

Yes, Smith is an electric shot-blocker but Gasol isn't that much worse... Plus, Gasol does not jack up stupid 3's.

I don't think we can compete for a championship with this actual group of guys. In bball, you either fight to win it all or you're in rebuild mode in order to eventually build a strong team. We are not quite a contender yet, but not necessarily too far off. Either we try to tweak the line up, or we rebuild. I think a Gasol-Smith swap would be an interesting move that would help us push in the right direction. Sure, Gasol is 5 years closer to retirement than Smith, but we're not looking to win in 10 years anyways.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #20 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue May 10, 2011 4:52 pm

I understand why this thread was made and it is pretty much under the premise of "Would you sell high on Josh Smith?". My answer is basically no. The way you are making it seem like, is that Al Horford is either untouchable or couldn't fetch Gasol or any legit 5, period.

Yes, you do whatever is needed to be done to improve the team, but their are other ways of doing so, and OTOH, when you have a focused Josh Smith, you easily have one of the best 2 way players in the league. Not trying to compare Josh to anybody, but do you trade Al Jefferson over Paul Milsaps after Jefferson just had a 20/20 game or do you sell high on Kevin Love after his spectacular 20/15 per game season just so you can move Beasley to his natural spot?

If the trade offer came of Pau Gasol for Josh Smith, would you do it?