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So, we're out of the post season. Earlier this season they said they we'd get a change up in the roster, and since we've just been raped in this game; do you think we'll be getting a new player? Doing some trades? I'd like to see Larry Drew get the boot, he's been pretty irrelevant, I see no reason why he should be here.

Probably not. Bet the ownership views this series as us just needing to add some minor pieces.

And sadly that's incorrect. We need big changes. We don't really have a first option, we need a centre too. I love Smoove, but moving Horford to the power forward position would be best for us.

NeZoRiL wrote:And sadly that's incorrect. We need big changes. We don't really have a first option, we need a centre too. I love Smoove, but moving Horford to the power forward position would be best for us.

Why is moving Horford to PF so imperative?

Geaux_Hawks wrote:

NeZoRiL wrote:And sadly that's incorrect. We need big changes. We don't really have a first option, we need a centre too. I love Smoove, but moving Horford to the power forward position would be best for us.

Why is moving Horford to PF so imperative?

He's good either way, I just think he'd have his way with the fours, he'd be matching up against players his size.

First thing.... We have to pray that Dallas get swap! And than we can move Joe Johnson.

Man...

Ruhiel wrote:Man...

Did I say something idiotic?

When 11.6 PPG & 8.9 RPG, 1.2 BPG is good enough for a 3rd team All-NBA player in the playoffs, I can only imagine what his numbers should be to become a 2nd team All NBA player.

Geaux_Hawks wrote:When 11.6 PPG & 8.9 RPG, 1.2 BPG is good enough for a 3rd team All-NBA player in the playoffs, I can only imagine what his numbers should be to become a 2nd team All NBA player.

The award doesn't count of the post season. It's only for the regular season, and with the shortage of big men in the league the bar isn't set that high.

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Why is moving Horford to PF so imperative?

I now have TWO reasons: Horford plays better against PFs and Smith plays better against SFs.

Smith can manhandle SFs and have his way with them. Playing him at PF gets him beat up the same way it beats up Horford to play Center. Sure, for a short time it's good to play them as our only big men, such as when we want to play fast, but they will last longer and have better matchups by being moved down.

Maybe one big reason he plays out on the perimeter so much is he's getting pushed out of the lane by bigger men.

parson wrote:

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Why is moving Horford to PF so imperative?

I now have TWO reasons: Horford plays better against PFs and Smith plays better against SFs.

Smith can manhandle SFs and have his way with them. Playing him at PF gets him beat up the same way it beats up Horford to play Center. Sure, for a short time it's good to play them as our only big men, such as when we want to play fast, but they will last longer and have better matchups by being moved down,.

Can't disagree with that either. I'd rather have Smoove traded for a big man if we could, but if he drops a few pounds I'm all for it.

NeZoRiL wrote:

parson wrote:

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Why is moving Horford to PF so imperative?

I now have TWO reasons: Horford plays better against PFs and Smith plays better against SFs.

Smith can manhandle SFs and have his way with them. Playing him at PF gets him beat up the same way it beats up Horford to play Center. Sure, for a short time it's good to play them as our only big men, such as when we want to play fast, but they will last longer and have better matchups by being moved down,.

Can't disagree with that either. I'd rather have Smoove traded for a big man if we could, but if he drops a few pounds I'm all for it.

i would rather trade Horford than Smoove. he is the only player on this team with heart.... well that is not true. Kirk and Teague have heart as well.

the problem with moving horford to the 4, is smith is simply a better defender against 4's then horford is. AND, horford has no post game, so its not like he would be gaining an advantage by playing againsts 4's and 5's. If anything, he would lose all those easy buckets he gets from beating his guy down the floor.

The one thing i do think that needs to be addressed is Marvin. He really doesnt add any dimension to the team when he is on the floor as all he really does is shoot jumpshots alot of teh time. A starting 3 should be able to add soemthing useful like a reliable corner 3 or good defense or being just one of the many super atheletic 3's in the league who can attack the basket

The sad thing about marvin is, he has the potential to hit the corner 3, play good defense, AND attack the basket with good success. But he doesnt do any of the 3 consisently because from what it looks like, is simply the lack of trying lol.

I'm all for not retaining Jamal Crawford if it means we can add more size and a proven big man. I'd also like to see Josh Smith play more at the 3, so Horford can start at the 4, but only if we add a big man that is going to be productive from both ends of the court. We get nothing out of Marvin Williams and it's safe to say he's going to be available. ZaZa was also rumored to be available at the trade deadline, but I see no reason to move him, unless we replace him with someone who is proven, and let's not forget that ZaZa is a fan favorite.

HMFFL wrote:I'm all for not retaining Jamal Crawford if it means we can add more size and a proven big man. I'd also like to see Josh Smith play more at the 3, so Horford can start at the 4, but only if we add a big man that is going to be productive from both ends of the court. We get nothing out of Marvin Williams and it's safe to say he's going to be available. ZaZa was also rumored to be available at the trade deadline, but I see no reason to move him, unless we replace him with someone who is proven, and let's not forget that ZaZa is a fan favorite.

Jamal would have to accept a major salary reduction to be a worthwhile re-signing and while I'll miss his 4 point plays and his ability to get red hot, I won't miss his failure to run motion offense or his weak defense. If we're willing to exceed the luxury tax (depending on new cba constraints) maybe he's a candidate for sign and trade. I like the big lineup and I like starting it all the time as opposed even if it means a platoon of Collins, Zaza, Rolle, and Armstrong to man it. Marvin has worn out his welcome with me and I don't expect this to be the summer he finally works on his game. He only really showed improvement in his contract year and if there winds up being an option in the new cba to buy out a contract and removing it from the cap he's my candidate. I'd love to add either a quality big or a level headed veteran with some game left (Grant Hill) who might work for near minimum, but I doubt either is much of a reality.

I have to contend myself that we might be able to improve by actually playing Teague all year. As well as he played this series I think his defense lapses would smooth out with playing time. Furthermore, I see Kirk Hinrich as a much better fit as reserve combo guard than Jamal. Hinrich can play defense, keep the offense running, and still hit a few shots. He's not the one-on-one threat that Jamal is but it's offset by keeping the rest of the lineup engaged in the offense. In my eyes Damien and Pape Sy should be back as the remaining guards on the squad.

Moving to the front court, I see no reason to trade Zaza because we realistically can't get any better production at the same price tag. Maybe the coach won't jerk him around all season next year and just use him as he is for what he is. I hopeful that Magnum Rolle can develop as a rotation C as well. As far as I'm concerned Jason Collins has a job if he wants it as long as Dwight Howard is in this conference. Hilton Armstrong might be back as well. Josh and Al hopefully continue to improve as they hone their games. Al needs post move coaching and to work on going quickly and Josh needs to work on his handle and his midrange shot. Marvin just needs to work on his game period as he's about to coast in obscurity.

I don't see a shake up next year. I see Drew finishing out his contract. I see improvement coming from Jeff Teague (a year later than I wanted him to get a chance), Joe Johnson regaining his shooting form (he never recovered fully from his elbow problems, I think he altered his release instead of getting fully healed) and remembering how to play without the ball in his hands every play on offense, Josh playing wiser not because of the criticism but rather for his own desire for success, and I'm counting on Al not being happy with his post-season and focusing on improving the areas he came up short on. It's not a prediction of a great breakout season coming for the Hawks, but rather the window staying open at least as much as it was this year. Look around the East, the Magic are horribly flawed, the Celtics are fading, the Knicks likely don't have the financial room or the assets to get much better yet. The Sixers, Pacers, and Bucks are on the rise, but likely still behind us. The Heat and Bulls are the top teams to compete with again, but aren't likely that much different than now given the constraints of the system. That gives me hope that maybe we can get further if and when next season arrives.

I think that's the more likely route HMFFL. Though I'm sure the Hawks will listen to any offers for Marvin and may move him. Whether they keep Marvin or not I'd like to see them try to upgrade at the 3, or at the least grab one of the college swingmen coming out this year. I have zero faith in Pape Sy, and Wilkins is still useful, but won't be for too much longer. A Justin Holiday or David Lighty would be nice to have.

Can we just take the approach that we will be shopping everyone? Not necessarily blowing up the roster, but just seeing what we could get in return and only making changes that we think will absolutely benefit the team. We should just let it be known to the league that we would be willing to deal anyone if the price is right.

Build around JJ Horford and Teague. We need to add a star if we ever want to compete for the championship sadly.