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the Hawks should not make any moves this summer because their are no quality free agents and nobody notable on the trading block. their are little options, so i don't believe in forcing the issue.

Resigning Crawford would be great, but not critical.

Signing Kwame Brown could further help the experiment that Drew has been testing with Collins.

Trading Joe and/or Marvin for any talent or cap space is impossible, because both guys have negative value.

Trading Horford or Josh would be a waste, because the players currently on the trading block, don't have the same value as Horford or Josh. I would rather wait until 2012 or 2013, because i think some better talent will be on the trading block by then.

Hawks could trade Kirk for a guy like Camby, but i don't think it really takes the Hawks to the next level.

but basically i think the Hawks should wait, and not make an drastic changes yet, because this summer is a bad summer to try to add players, because the talent is just not their.

What i'm worried about is that the Hawks make some impulsive move now that has some minimal impact, and will then hurt the Hawks in 2012 or 2013 to add a player with real talent and real impact

there are a few free agents that I feel would help us out. Chuck Hayes, T-mac, Tayshaun Prince, Redd just to name a few. all should come cheap, all would be better than anything we currently have on our bench not named Jamal Crawford.

Kris Humphries, Tyson Chandler...

NWO4Life wrote:Kris Humphries, Tyson Chandler...

Kris Humphries?!??! Really?!!?..

What do u mean Hawks shouldn't make any moves?

Hinrich, Williams, Horford
and
Salmons, Gooden, Sanders, Bogut

Williams becomes a 6'10 PF. Horford a 7'0 DPOY candidate (injuey concerns).
Smith becomes the 3 and gets down to 230, Teague starts and blossoms. Joe keeps him in line and benefits off of him collapsing the defense off of set plays.
Smith increases trade value because he gets his energy back and makes his first All Star team with Paul Pierce aging. Accidentally dunks on his own All Star teammates Joakim Noah and Bogut who took Al's spot.

Honestly, I'd also like a more defensive minded coach who knows that Teague is better 2-way player with potential than a 33 year old Mike Bibby.

Open your eyes. Marvin is toxic. Horford gets All Star nods for being a white-collar guy then gets outplayed by elite length in every postseason. This franchise is a laughingstock and everyone is waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Trade Josh Smith who played the 3 4 and 5 and keep an "All Star" who didn't even get a Team USA invite after 2008? Smith got it in 2009.
Horford has peaked. Williams is toxic. Get Bogut and try to keep him healthy for a 50 game lockout season lol.

What do u mean Hawks shouldn't make any moves?

Hinrich, Williams, Horford
and
Salmons, Gooden, Sanders, Bogut

Williams becomes a 6'10 PF. Horford a 7'0 DPOY candidate (injuey concerns.

huh? why would we put williams at PF? and Horford is not 7 ft. he is 6'9 maybe 6'10 and not a DPOY candidate. your whole post confused me haha

reazun wrote:

What do u mean Hawks shouldn't make any moves?

Hinrich, Williams, Horford
and
Salmons, Gooden, Sanders, Bogut

Williams becomes a 6'10 PF. Horford a 7'0 DPOY candidate (injuey concerns.

huh? why would we put williams at PF? and Horford is not 7 ft. he is 6'9 maybe 6'10 and not a DPOY candidate. your whole post confused me haha

Williams becomes Sanders. Horford becomes Bogut. Crawford becomes Salmons and Gooden.

need to stop relying on shooting at sacrifice of rebounding.
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‘‘We have to do a better job of rebounding,’’ James said. ‘‘[Game 1 was the] fourth straight time we’ve gotten outrebounded by the Bulls. That’s where they’re dominant.’’

They’re the best defensive team in the NBA playing their best defense of the season.

‘‘Your defense and rebounding are two things you want to be able to count on every night,’’ Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau said. ‘‘Some nights you’re not going to shoot better than others. But if you’re doing those other two things, you should still have a chance to win.’’

Even with Derrick Rose having an MVP season, the Bulls have relied on their defense as a fallback in tough situations. And in the playoffs, their defense has improved throughout series. The Pacers scored 99 points in Game 1 in the first round and never more than 90 after that. The Hawks scored 103 in Game 1 of the conference semifinals and averaged 82 after that.

But James and Wade are not Danny Granger-Darren Collison or Joe Johnson-Jamal Crawford. The big question is whether James and Wade can step up their own games and lift their teammates to a new level at the same time. Against the Bulls’ defense, it might be the ultimate NBA conflict.

The only certainty is that the Heat will adjust after the Game 1 debacle. Coach Eric Spoelstra figures to ‘‘go big’’ with 7-3 center Zydrunas Ilgauskas and 6-8, 235-pound Udonis Haslem to help nullify the Bulls’ 45-33 edge on the boards — including 19-6 on offensive rebounds.

If Bogut is really available this summer for one of Smith and Horford, I would go for it. If we need to get Salmons, I would do it also. Salmons can give us some points that we will be missing once Jamaal is gone and can score in different ways.

Bogut is just what this team lacks. Somebody to anchors our defense, a center who can rebound, defend, be tough, be mean even, block and pass. Then Sanders, if included, Powell, Gooden, if included or any other player come through the free agency can fill that spot.

And a team mate who will be telling anybody what you are doing well and, of course, what you are doing wrong. I would love to have a personality out there who, after the second crazy attemp from outside by JSmoove, takes him by his jersey and asks him what bthe f.uck he is doing.

Bogut is not going to take the Hawks to the next level.

adding Bogut and Salmons would be a horrible move for the Hawks.

with Salmon's contract, that means that Teague and/or Smith will not be resigned by the Hawks.

Joe, Bogut, and Salmon's contact combined is $41 million a year.

Geaux_Hawks wrote:

NWO4Life wrote:Kris Humphries, Tyson Chandler...

Kris Humphries?!??! Really?!!?..

Yeah, he's actually good.

lol kris humprhies had one good statistical season... in a contract year... on a garbage team where he could put up empty numbers... i cant express how strongly i would avoid touchin his next contract.

Harry10 wrote:Bogut is not going to take the Hawks to the next level.

The move would be to trade Marvin Williams and Horford. Marvin Williams is not taking us to the next level. Small lineup is not doing anything unless we're the Miami Heat.

Al Horford took us to the next level as in he gave us a solid rebounder down low when we had Solomon Jones. When playoffs come around his numbers shrink because he has no length in the post and becomes a set jump shooter. Even against Ryan Anderson and Bass he was bad.

adding Bogut and Salmons would be a horrible move for the Hawks.

As is Horford's salary kicks in and we lose Jamal Crawford. Our bench either is
Hinrich/Pachulia/Collins with Marvin Williams starting
or
Salmons/Gooden/Pachulia with Larry Sanders and Bogut starting with Smith at the 3

with Salmon's contract, that means that Teague and/or Smith will not be resigned by the Hawks. Joe, Bogut, and Salmon's contact combined is $41 million a year.

As is Marvin Williams is our starting SF.
Josh Smith, Larry Sanders, Bogut
or
Salmons, Smith, Bogut is better two way frontcourt than anything Atlanta currently has.

Joe, Horford and Williams' contract combined is $37.5 million a year. For a second round exit.
Teague is on his rookie contract. His QO is 3.5 million in 2013-2014.

If we are to be a contender then Teague had better be worth more than 3.5 million by 2013-2014.
Horford and Williams and Hinrich must go. We are going to pay money anyways now its a choice between talent and a chance to compete defensively or to be mediocre again (ranked 15th defensively).

we will not be able to afford add Gooden, Salmons and Bogut salary with Smooves and JJ's. unless we move Kirk as well. and I would rather have Kirk than Salmons. he is better and his contract is only for one more year. so Gooden and Bogut for Marvin and Horford works for me. Bogut and Salmons works for me as well. I like the first one better. but I say no to Kirk, Marvin, Horford for Gooden, Salmons, and Bogut.

myrak433 wrote:we will not be able to afford add Gooden, Salmons and Bogut salary with Smooves and JJ's. unless we move Kirk as well.

that's what was originally proposed. Larry Sanders. Gooden. Salmons. Andrew Bogut. $ matches.

and I would rather have Kirk than Salmons. he is better and his contract is only for one more year.

Hinrich is not as versatile as Salmons.

so Gooden and Bogut for Marvin and Horford works for me. Bogut and Salmons works for me as well. I like the first one better.

so...that would either start Drew Gooden at power forward or shift from a small frontcourt to a small backcourt. More lateral move than anything else.

but I say no to Kirk, Marvin, Horford for Gooden, Salmons, and Bogut.

Larry Sanders. Gooden. Salmons. Andrew Bogut. $ matches.

you have to look further than only next year salaries. you have to look at the incoming players salaries and contracts in their entirety to gage the economic implications they will have on this franchise. for instance in two years when Josh is up for contract renewal, we will be at a total payroll of 56M with only six players under contract. JJ, Teague, Bogut, Gooden, Sanders, and Salmons. would we have enough money for Smoove and Zaza and both a quality backup at PG and SG as well as SF? because with the money we would be paying out our starting five would have to be Teague, JJ, Salmons, Gooden(if we can't resign Smoove) and Bogut.
I am talking about the 2013/14 season.

so if we were to do a trade such as this we better be damn sure we win the champianship. if not the NBA title at least the NBA eastern conference title in the next two years. and we better be sure that Teague is ready...... I am not 100% sure Teague is. he showed good this year against the bull in the playoffs, but you have to put a better resume together for me to totally hand the keys to a third year pg who hasn't played that many games.
that is why I don't won't to move Kirk just yet. besides, if teague playes like he did against the bull next season come the trade deadline we could get back a better package for Capt Kirk. he will then be an expiring.

so all I am willing to do is Marvin and Horford or Bogut and Gooden.
we can get a cheap free agent to come off the bench and do what salmons does.