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It looking like Portland may let him walk. I guess signing Greg and Roy maybe to much of a risk. Rumors are he'll start running around sept. and could be ready at the start of the season. I think we can get this guy and it wouldn't cost a lot. I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH THE RISK!

I agree (of course I do, I'm the resident big-man maniac).

I'd even try to outbid the other teams. What do we care if we give him the ENTIRE MLE? It's not a terrible gamble. Simply take part of the savings from not re-signing Crawford.

^We've already spent the $$ that we didn't give Crawford though - on Al.

Still, this is a no-brainer if we can (CBA) and our ownership allows it (LT). If we could land Oden on a semi-reasonable contract that accounts for the injury concerns, then yeah, we should pull the trigger and figure out the salary ramifications later. I've always thought that if Oden could stay healthy through a playoff run, then he could single-handedly put a team in the hunt for a ring. I want that team to be us.

Like others have said, it depends on the salary that he wants. He could be a solid big man. Plus if we make him a back-up and first and gradually warm him into starting, he could be a nice piece.

I would LLOVE!!! for the Hawks to nab Oden for a MLE deal if it available and might even overpay for him...

The only way the Hawks get Oden is if we are the highest bidder. What does Oden see here in Atlanta that he doesn't see in Memphis or Phoenix? All these teams aren't at the elite level.
We don't have a shot at him as a FA.
Our ownership disaster, our core-loving GM, our over-his-head coach.....it doesn't add up.

We better concentrate on guys like Collins and Thomas and keep building as slow as a highway road project....always under construction.

td00 wrote:The only way the Hawks get Oden is if we are the highest bidder. What does Oden see here in Atlanta that he doesn't see in Memphis or Phoenix? All these teams aren't at the elite level.
We don't have a shot at him as a FA.
Our ownership disaster, our core-loving GM, our over-his-head coach.....it doesn't add up.

We better concentrate on guys like Collins and Thomas and keep building as slow as a highway road project....always under construction.

Why would Memphis even go after him?? Why would he go to a rebuilding Phoenix team with what most consider already a starting center in Gortat(Really think he is overrated)? Why the hell do we focus only on Collins or Thomas for that matter??

Yeah, I will say the Hawks probably doesn't have a shot at him, but we have just a good shot of landing him as PHX and Memphis..

td00 wrote:The only way the Hawks get Oden is if we are the highest bidder. What does Oden see here in Atlanta that he doesn't see in Memphis or Phoenix?

Well, he'd be a backup in MEM and PHO is just about Nash, who's 4 thousand years old. Without Nash, PHO would be back in the lottery.

In ATL (if healthy), Oden would be the final piece in a championship contender.

A frontline of Oden/Horford/Smith is golden.
A starting lineup of Oden/Horford/Smith/Johnson/Teague is terrific.
A bench of Zaza, Collins, Marvelous and Hinrich is awfully good.

We'd be tough, IF Oden could be healthy for us.

parson wrote:

td00 wrote:The only way the Hawks get Oden is if we are the highest bidder. What does Oden see here in Atlanta that he doesn't see in Memphis or Phoenix?

Well, he'd be a backup in MEM and PHO is just about Nash, who's 4 thousand years old. Without Nash, PHO would be back in the lottery.

In ATL (if healthy), Oden would be the final piece in a championship contender.

A frontline of Oden/Horford/Smith is golden.
A starting lineup of Oden/Horford/Smith/Johnson/Teague is terrific.
A bench of Zaza, Collins, Marvelous and Hinrich is awfully good.

We'd be tough, IF Oden could be healthy for us.

No, Phx doesnt' need him, but again, but when you hear Grant Hill rave about their medical staff and the way they rejuvenated his career, I could see them easily having a leg up on Atlanta.

Memphis has to be just as attractive as Atlanta...currently, they have ZBo and MAYBE Gasol and Arthur. And, Memphis has Conley Jr, and his dad is the agent to both.

Again, I say they have a better shot than the Hawks...and that goes for probably 20 other teams as well. What exactly does Atlanta offer at this point? Their history? Their stable organziation?

I don't see Oden having much interest here with our management team, and that goes both ways. Sund is not a risk taker, and there are better places for Oden to go and be a 'piece' to a contender.
So Oden being coached by Drew, on the last year of his contract, is a better opportunity, than say a Paul Silas? a Eric Spoelstra on a 'championship contending' team?

At this point, do you really think Oden is ready for a 100 game schedule?

I mean Parson said it best when he stated that he would be the final piece to a championship contender(If healthy). You got a better chance at starting for a championship contender that only needs your talents to reach that level and you turn it down to become a backup and receive about the same amount of money?? The only contenders I see him wanting to go to are the Hawks, Miami, or Philly & maybe NY. Of course it depends on where he wants to go then in a S&T. Non contenders can only offer an overpaying salary.

Memphis will most definitely re-sign Gasol, and that means Oden wouldn't be starting. Oden would get to start on ATL, and not just that, but be a major contributor.

It's a shame though that we only have the MLE, because I think some team will throw him a 3/27 deal as a speculative add.

His hometown Pacers would love to have him too. I don't know why people are talking about him like he's a 14 year vet looking for a ring, what, because he looks like one? He is a very young guy looking for not only the most amount of financial security he can get but also a place where he will be comfortable with. I don't see Atlanta as being that place and I doubt he really wants the pressure of being a team's last link to a championship while he is more than likely still rehabbing or sitting on the bench. For that he can stay in Portland where they've atleast been patient with him so far.

td00 wrote:Memphis has to be just as attractive as Atlanta...

I really think you're missing the point that Oden would not start for MEM. Why would he want to be a backup and why would MEM pay him major bucks to be their backup, especially since they have to pony up for Gasol? Do you think they'd rather have Oden? If they're that dumb, let's go after Gasol.

td00 wrote:Again, I say they have a better shot than the Hawks...and that goes for probably 20 other teams as well. What exactly does Atlanta offer at this point? Their history? Their stable organziation?

Oden fits perfectly for us and does not for most of the rest of the playoff teams. We are his best fit. I really do see what you're trying to say, namely that those other teams are better positioned to move up in the playoffs (I disagree, by the way -- I think you're underselling this team). If Oden takes Gasol's place, MEM suffers. If Oden takes Gortat's place, PHO is arguably worse, as well.

td00 wrote:At this point, do you really think Oden is ready for a 100 game schedule?

That's the biggest advantage we have. We can best start him and yet, do without him for long periods of time. So long as we have him ready for the playoffs, we're good.

When people say Greg Oden fits perfectly for us what does that mean?
Are they saying personnel wise, $ wise or what?
Because I know its not giving him the ball down low and asking him to win us a game. if it is people have not seen Oden play in the NBA, let alone against Howard and the Bulls he's most similar to Shaq-lite rather than Tim Duncan. Not versatile & slows the game down.
we'd have to slow the game down super slow to make Oden's points count. His blocked shots are great though.

Shaq was so dominate that any lite version of him has to be good at the least..

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Shaq was so dominate that any lite version of him has to be good at the least..

The point is Oden will never have the ball as much as a guard on offense. Like Dwight you can strategize around this So that his impact is limited to defense.

A 1, 2, 3, 4 are the traditional shot taking players. Olajuwon did it once. But point is u cant count on Oden's offense to save a team. Couldn't really count on Shaq's neither.

The Piston's outran them and Malone, George, Fox and Kobe weren't capitalizing on their matchups.
He blocks shots dunks and gets in foul trouble.


Let some other team with $ gamble on him and see if he can keep his weight down and joints healthy. He'll demand big $ and won't work for it. If he's in shape and I mean Kobe fitness guru 260 lbs shape fine.
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Until then no from me, he gets injured again we'll be a C short, chemistry will be thrown off like always happens with POR and might not be able to trade for a legit C.

Pistons beat the Lakers because Kobe decided to go into fullout chuck mode, and Payton was garbage.

I don't see how you aren't willing to gamble on Oden who has beasted when healthy, and yet are willing to trade for Thabeet who is a total bust.

azuresou1 wrote:Pistons beat the Lakers because Kobe decided to go into fullout chuck mode, and Payton was garbage.

I don't see how you aren't willing to gamble on Oden who has beasted when healthy, and yet are willing to trade for [4 players including] Thabeet who is a total [role player].

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I saw when the Lakers were scared of the Blazers. And I saw when Oden got injured and the team got thrown into flux. And then he did it again. 'Fool me once, shame on you; Fool me twice, shame on me'

I'd rather have role player depth like Chicago or Detroit of old and guys who can be bench stars rather than throw it all on one player let alone an injury prone player.

Seriously 82 games in 3 seasons. That's congenital.

Ruhiel wrote:When people say Greg Oden fits perfectly for us what does that mean?
Are they saying personnel wise, $ wise or what?
Because I know its not giving him the ball down low and asking him to win us a game. if it is people have not seen Oden play in the NBA, let alone against Howard and the Bulls he's most similar to Shaq-lite rather than Tim Duncan. Not versatile & slows the game down.
we'd have to slow the game down super slow to make Oden's points count. His blocked shots are great though.

Well I'm the guy who said he "fit" so I guess you're talking to me. He fits because he - very well so - supplies what we need. He adds to our rebounding, adds to our shot blocking, adds to our interior defense (in a big way) and he adds to our need for a big banger to go head-to-head with Dwight Howard. He's a super upgrade from Collins. We should also consider his star potential.

We_don't_need_for_him_to_win_for_us_down_low. If we sign Oden, we KEEP SMITH, who can post up almost every SF in the NBA.

And we're not going to slow the game down any more than when Collins is in there. Basically, Oden is Twin on steroids. He's SuperTwin, better in all ways.

I don't see Oden being available for us. We have no money!

Its about the cap, and right now, the only savior we may have is moving a Zaza, which I don't see happening as he decided to start earning his paycheck in the playoffs, or getting amnesty for Marvin.
You think last summer was stale? Wait til the summer of Sund begins!

If you're pining for Oden, why not pine for Yao Ming? I think the Rockets move on without committing big bucks to him, but he is proven as a player, and you want a fantasy piece to add to your lineup?
Which really is the bigger risk in this case?

I think with a Oden or Thabeet, the risk is greater. Yao has proven he has issues staying healthy, but if you could get 1-2 years out of him, what will that cost? Marvin and Horford?