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Would you accept a Kevin Love, Darko, & Anthony Randolph deal for Al Horford & Zaza??

In a heartbeat but I don't think Minnesota would do it.

K. Love wouldn't start if we had Smith and Horford. Much less do is silly deal for him. I don't think some of you guys watch much NBA Basketball.

#1 pick wrote:K. Love wouldn't start if we had Smith and Horford. Much less do is silly deal for him. I don't think some of you guys watch much NBA Basketball.

Dude he said we'd be trading Horford, therefore we wouldn't have Horford and Smith. And also he could start, if we played Josh at the 3, Love at the 4, and Horford at the 5

tha best wrote:

#1 pick wrote:K. Love wouldn't start if we had Smith and Horford. Much less do is silly deal for him. I don't think some of you guys watch much NBA Basketball.

Dude he said we'd be trading Horford, therefore we wouldn't have Horford and Smith. And also he could start, if we played Josh at the 3, Love at the 4, and Horford at the 5

Josh isn't a SF. Josh Smith could stat pad if he was on Minny as well. Love is a good player, has a lot of potential but he's isn't going to start over Horford and Smith which is my only point. I am not taking into account moving Smith to SF, just as PF/C only.

Josh could ultimately be our starting sf. I like starting him at the 3 and Horford at the 4. But we wouldn't have Horford if we got Love anyways. So Smith would start with Horford

tha best wrote:Josh could ultimately be our starting sf. I like starting him at the 3 and Horford at the 4. But we wouldn't have Horford if we got Love anyways. So Smith would start with Horford

Love is severely overrated in your estimation if you think in a 1/100 belief that this would be good for the Hawks.

well he's a better rebounder than horford, but i think offensively horford is better. You say he wouldn't start over horford and smith, i'm just stating that Geaux_Hawks said we would trade horford for love. Therefore Love wouldn't have to worry about not starting, He would take Horford's spot.

tha best wrote:well he's a better rebounder than horford, but i think offensively horford is better. You say he wouldn't start over horford and smith, i'm just stating that Geaux_Hawks said we would trade horford for love. Therefore Love wouldn't have to worry about not starting, He would take Horford's spot.

Horford is better on offense. Horford is a 1000X better on defense. Horford has better intangibles. You see why this trade makes NO sense whatsoever.

Love is one of the best rebounders in the last 20 years. With that said, I wouldn't trade Horford for Rodman or Love.

Love is a way more complete offensive player over Horford, and though Horford is more athletic defender, I would still prefer Love's rebounding abilities. It's not like Horford is a legit DPOY candidate. IDC what team you play on, 15 rpg is quite a feat to accomplish for an already great rebounder, plus the skills to put up an efficient 20 ppg next to another very skilled offensive player who put up 19 per game. I think he would still be a 18-20 guy with at least 10 rpg on a contender..

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Love is a way more complete offensive player over Horford, and though Horford is more athletic defender, I would still prefer Love's rebounding abilities. It's not like Horford is a legit DPOY candidate. IDC what team you play on, 15 rpg is quite a feat to accomplish for an already great rebounder, plus the skills to put up an efficient 20 ppg next to another very skilled offensive player who put up 19 per game. I think he would still be a 18-20 guy with at least 10 rpg on a contender..

No

Love is a way more complete offensive player over Horford

How? This one should be as fun as Jordan Crawford is better than Jamal Crawford threads.

It's not like Horford is a legit DPOY candidate

He's not? Tony Allen was a DPOY candidate, Josh Smith was too. I wouldn't bet the ranch on that.

You are right about rebounding, it's a hell of a feat.

plus the skills to put up an efficient 20 ppg next to another very skilled offensive player who put up 19 per game.

No way in hell he's putting up more than 15 ppg with Atlanta, no way in hell. He's not good enough offensively and wouldn't get enough touches. Plus he would have to play Center. I would say 12-13 ppg.

Josh Smith isn't putting up 19ppg in Atlanta anymore. Not enough touches. He did that one year, that was before Jamal and now you have to take into account Teague. I say 16ppg or what he scored this past season.

To start, Love can actually hit the 3 ball consistently as well as the mid range. He has more post moves,and is one of the games best Outlet passers and offensive rebounders. If he had more help on offense, he would have a lot more assists, but the Wolves lack fire power aside from Beasely..

Next, I said Horford isn't a "LEGIT" DPOY candidate. Tony Allen and Josh are way better defenders than Al. I think him defending weak centers in a league with very few premium centers allows him to get votes. When he has had his chances against top tier PF/C's they, he hasn't looked good defending.

Like I pointed out before, Love has the skills to be a 20 point performer and do it quite efficiently as well. He doesn't have to play center since Horford would be traded for him.

Geaux_Hawks wrote:To start, Love can actually hit the 3 ball consistently as well as the mid range. He has more post moves,and is one of the games best Outlet passers and offensive rebounders. If he had more help on offense, he would have a lot more assists, but the Wolves lack fire power aside from Beasely..

Next, I said Horford isn't a "LEGIT" DPOY candidate. Tony Allen and Josh are way better defenders than Al. I think him defending weak centers in a league with very few premium centers allows him to get votes. When he has had his chances against top tier PF/C's they, he hasn't looked good defending.

Like I pointed out before, Love has the skills to be a 20 point performer and do it quite efficiently as well. He doesn't have to play center since Horford would be traded for him.

Hitting three pointers, so does Anderson with the Magic. He's not Rashard Lewis or anything.
He does have a ton of post moves but with little athletic ability and needs more aggressiveness. It doesn't help he's not fluid in terms of movement, kinda mechanical like Al. It will be years before he can fully use it as a player. I do see the potential in that regard. Could reach Z-Bo level when he becomes a vet and he gets a lot more crafty.

If he had more help, he would take less shots and he is the best outlet passer in the game. Probably third best OReb in the game behind D12 and Z-Bo.

He's a candidate, that's legit to me. He's no Howard but who is. You can argue he does as much for a defense as Josh Smith. So your point is moot in that regard. Tony Allen and Josh Smith aren't that much better. Horford is a better positional defender, perimeter defender, and post defender than Smith. His team defense is far better than Smith as well. Smith is a better shot blocker, has better instincts, is better at steals, and is one of the best help side defenders in the NBA. Allen is a great perimeter defender, is aggressive, strong, has quick feet and a winning edge to him that the truly great defenders like Ben Wallace and Rodman have. But he's not at versatile as Horford. For crying out loud, when we had Bibby we put Horford on Steve Nash, no switching because he was most effective at defending him. You don't realize how funny I find it when you say better much less much better. I seen him v. top tier PF's, he did better than most. Only stats you can truly say someone got the best of him was NY and Amare. Other than that, stat-wise, Horford had some of the best numbers in the NBA defensively v. his opp.

Then who plays CENTER. If we do a god awful trade like that. Who is playing center? Josh Smith? He won't score 20 ppg for Atlanta, he's not good enough and his usage rate when drop like a fly. Man, you logic isn't making sense. Then again you would take David Lee over Al so I am not sure why I am bothering having this convo with you. You and Ruiel are too much my friend.

U guys no we have to go in2 luxury for Jamal right?
@#1 pick stay classy

#1 pick, So you are telling me Love is still below Horford on offense despite being able to hit the 3 at 41% this past year(37% career), has a "TON" of post moves as you stated(While Horford has about one that's not super effective), and is about as mechanic as Horford from what you say?? Horford isnt aggressive himself despite being the more athletic player. Are you really implying that if he was on the Hawks in Horford's place, that he couldn't take Horford's 12 shots & then take about 1 or 2 more shots from somebody else?!?!

And according to NBA.com, Horford didn't even receive a vote for DPOY(WOW). Josh Smith came in last with one 3rd place vote(After finishing 2nd last year) & Tony Allen finished 4th this year. Not even taking that into consideration, how can you say Allen and Smith aren't much better defenders after you basically praised what they can do. Then you say Allen isn't as versatile even though he has defended PG's, 2's, & 3's effectively and Josh isn't the better post or perimeter defender despite leading the hawks in both blocks & steals. You even praised him on having better instincts. Just face it, Horford is just a good team defender and can't excel in no defensive category.

We won't ever get a legit center(Something I hope everybody realizes), but if we could gain Darko's defensive presence, and let him get garbage buckets or easy shots, then you can't tell me that a Smith/Love/Darko front court won't be effective. But I am ready for Josh Smith to be moved(Unless no moves are made at all), and have Horford at the 4 just so we can finally see what Horford is really all about and make a believer out of me.

Funny how you say my logic doesn't make sense, but you consider someone with at least a candidacy for DPOY, to be a legit defensive player. Who has Horford dominated with an actual name? What defensive category does he excel in? I can't even remember the game you even refer to about Steve Nash. Oh well, I will still stand by my David Lee post and continue to use my logic.

Geaux_Hawks wrote:#1 pick, So you are telling me Love is still below Horford on offense despite being able to hit the 3 at 41% this past year(37% career), has a "TON" of post moves as you stated(While Horford has about one that's not super effective), and is about as mechanic as Horford from what you say?? Horford isnt aggressive himself despite being the more athletic player. Are you really implying that if he was on the Hawks in Horford's place, that he couldn't take Horford's 12 shots & then take about 1 or 2 more shots from somebody else?!?!

And according to NBA.com, Horford didn't even receive a vote for DPOY(WOW). Josh Smith came in last with one 3rd place vote(After finishing 2nd last year) & Tony Allen finished 4th this year. Not even taking that into consideration, how can you say Allen and Smith aren't much better defenders after you basically praised what they can do. Then you say Allen isn't as versatile even though he has defended PG's, 2's, & 3's effectively and Josh isn't the better post or perimeter defender despite leading the hawks in both blocks & steals. You even praised him on having better instincts. Just face it, Horford is just a good team defender and can't excel in no defensive category.

We won't ever get a legit center(Something I hope everybody realizes), but if we could gain Darko's defensive presence, and let him get garbage buckets or easy shots, then you can't tell me that a Smith/Love/Darko front court won't be effective. But I am ready for Josh Smith to be moved(Unless no moves are made at all), and have Horford at the 4 just so we can finally see what Horford is really all about and make a believer out of me.

Funny how you say my logic doesn't make sense, but you consider someone with at least a candidacy for DPOY, to be a legit defensive player. Who has Horford dominated with an actual name? What defensive category does he excel in? I can't even remember the game you even refer to about Steve Nash. Oh well, I will still stand by my David Lee post and continue to use my logic.

Darko is almost literally 10x worse than Darko,
For his career he shoots .482 True Shooting%. Jason Collins .475.
Jason Collins Wins Shared 0.049 last year. affects 5% of things on the floor positively. 7% career
Darko Milicic Wins Shared 0.007 last year. affects 1% of things on the floor positively. 4% career

Hasheem Thabeet Wins Shared 0.109 1st year in 13mpg. .605% true shooting. Offense entirely depends on guards. Perkins shot 3 for 5 and 6 rebounds and 4 fouls in 25mpg during 2007-2008 season.
He scored against individual matchups in Noah and Gasol. Thabeet has proven capable of does the same.