How cheap can the Hawks resign Crawford?

[bsanders]

seems like all team, with cap or with out cap, who need a SG or don't need a SG are only willing to offer Jamal the MLE

[azuresou1]

Probably no less than $7MM per year.

[bsanders]

^ i can't think of a team that has the cap and/or desire to offer Crawford as much as $7M per year.

[myrak433]

I can't see Crawford getting any less than what he is making now. unless he gives a contender a discount.

[parson]

I hate to make CHI any better but perhaps we could send Jamal to them in a SNT for Asik and bench help. That way, Jamal would get his salary.

We'd be way over the LT but we'd have a decent big man. I think Asik will grow into a starter. CHI struck gold when they traded for him and I'd love to mine that gold.

[parson]

But to answer the OP, we can re-sign Jamal for anything we can agree on. However, we're right at the Luxury Tax, so we'd lose the money we make for staying under the LT and we'd pay an additional dollar for every one we pay him over the LT.

It's hard for me to see us paying anything to Jamal, unless it's because he brought a player we need. But we'd have to like the additional player(s) so well that we didn't mind paying the tax.

[ATL Boy]

I hate to make CHI any better but perhaps we could send Jamal to them in a SNT for Asik and bench help. That way, Jamal would get his salary.

We'd be way over the LT but we'd have a decent big man. I think Asik will grow into a starter. CHI struck gold when they traded for him and I'd love to mine that gold.

I love this idea I'm really big on Asik and think he can be the answer to our big man problem, he's a solid rebounder and defender. Extra role players would help out too.

[bsanders]

Bucks, Hornets, Bobcats, Pacers, and the Thunder are the only teams that have the cap to make an offer to Crawford and the Thunder are the only team that i can think of that might be remotely interested in Crawford, but the thought of the Thunder actually making an offer is still a far stretch of the imagination, especially the way Harden has been playing the Westbrook's ball hogging the Thunder wouldn't want another ball dominate player when they have problems with Westbrook.

[bsanders]

I hate to make CHI any better but perhaps we could send Jamal to them in a SNT for Asik and bench help. That way, Jamal would get his salary.

We'd be way over the LT but we'd have a decent big man. I think Asik will grow into a starter. CHI struck gold when they traded for him and I'd love to mine that gold.

I love this idea I'm really big on Asik and think he can be the answer to our big man problem, he's a solid rebounder and defender. Extra role players would help out too.

i would rather do Joe for Asik and expiring and resign Crawford to a reasonable contract.

[HMFFL]

I hate to make CHI any better but perhaps we could send Jamal to them in a SNT for Asik and bench help. That way, Jamal would get his salary.

We'd be way over the LT but we'd have a decent big man. I think Asik will grow into a starter. CHI struck gold when they traded for him and I'd love to mine that gold.

I love this idea I'm really big on Asik and think he can be the answer to our big man problem, he's a solid rebounder and defender. Extra role players would help out too.

i would rather do Joe for Asik and expiring and resign Crawford to a reasonable contract.

Jamal Crawford at the 2 would be a downgrade on both offense and defense.

[AFunk]

Or how about we try to move Joe Johnson and not resign Crawford?

[myrak433]

Or how about we try to move Joe Johnson and not resign Crawford?

if we do move Joe..... lottery draft here we come!!!!!!

I don't understand why you all don't see that

[HMFFL]

Or how about we try to move Joe Johnson and not resign Crawford?

How does that make any sense?

Are you just a casual fan of the game with no knowledge?

[Ruhiel]

Or how about we try to move Joe Johnson and not resign Crawford?

if we do move Joe..... lottery draft here we come!!!!!!

I don't understand why you all don't see that

Brokeback Marvin had better TS%, WS/48, rebounding efg% than Joe. We could have easily been .500 this year and had more hope for rectifying the frontcourt.
then again the FO might have given Jamal the MAX.

[myrak433]

Or how about we try to move Joe Johnson and not resign Crawford?

if we do move Joe..... lottery draft here we come!!!!!!

I don't understand why you all don't see that

Brokeback Marvin had better TS%, WS/48, rebounding efg% than Joe. We could have easily been .500 this year and had more hope for rectifying the frontcourt.
then again the FO might have given Jamal the MAX.

do you watch the games or do you just look at stats?

because you can't truely compare what marvin does vs. Joe.............. Joe plays over 40M a game and marvin played about 18M a game off the bench for most of the season. when Joe is in the game he is faced with heavy defense. when marvin is in the game they don't defended him at all. LOL

[Ruhiel]

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"Joe plays over 40M a game and marvin played about 18M a game off the bench for most of the season."

Joe played 35.5 minutes a game this season.

Yes I have watched the team for a long time say what u will about Marv but he has a history of being able to score tremendously from the 2 guard spot.
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"In February 2009, Joe Johnson missed a couple of road games against the then, as now, terrible Minnesota Timberwolves and Charlotte Bobcats. In his stead, Marvin Williams took advantage of the extra available touches to score 52 points in those two games, fueled primarily by 34 free throw attempts.
That was just a little more than two years ago, a time when the future of the Atlanta Hawks was neither so set nor appeared so bleakly mediocre and Marvin Williams was assumed both to be a competent three-point shooter and in possession of as yet untapped general offensive potential.

Last night, in Joe Johnson's absence, facing a terrible team on the road, Marvin Williams scored 31 points on 14 shots, made 3 of 5 three-point attempts, and 10 of 11 free throws. Williams scored 13 points on 4 shots in the fourth quarter.

The only real (and, to be fair, not especially passionate) defense of the decision to re-sign Joe Johnson was that the Hawks couldn't immediately replace Johnson with an equally valuable player. Given the rest of their salary commitments, that was true. The assumption was that, without Johnson, the Hawks would take a damaging step backward.

With Johnson (more or less), the Hawks have taken a damaging step backward. They're sufficiently better than the bottom feeders of the league (and the majority of the Eastern Conference) that they will cruise into the playoffs despite looking futile most of the time against the other 15 teams that will make the playoffs. With another $107 million owed Johnson over the next five seasons, the Hawks appear stuck with this collectively mediocre bunch for the foreseeable future.

The Hawks haven't just taken a step backward in terms of on-court performance. The perception of the team, both generally and among the team's loyal and passionate band of fans, hasn't been so negative since before Game 3 of the Celtics series in April 2008."
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We would have been a .500 team, without Joe Drew would have been forced to play Teague more etc.
For all Marvin's faults he plays well at the 2 spot and we could have easily won 44 games and been in the hunt for a center.

Now Atlanta is in the hunt for sustained mediocrity.

[myrak433]

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"Joe plays over 40M a game and marvin played about 18M a game off the bench for most of the season."

Joe played 35.5 minutes a game this season.

Yes I have watched the team for a long time say what u will about Marv but he has a history of being able to score tremendously from the 2 guard spot.
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"In February 2009, Joe Johnson missed a couple of road games against the then, as now, terrible Minnesota Timberwolves and Charlotte Bobcats. In his stead, Marvin Williams took advantage of the extra available touches to score 52 points in those two games, fueled primarily by 34 free throw attempts.
That was just a little more than two years ago, a time when the future of the Atlanta Hawks was neither so set nor appeared so bleakly mediocre and Marvin Williams was assumed both to be a competent three-point shooter and in possession of as yet untapped general offensive potential.

Last night, in Joe Johnson's absence, facing a terrible team on the road, Marvin Williams scored 31 points on 14 shots, made 3 of 5 three-point attempts, and 10 of 11 free throws. Williams scored 13 points on 4 shots in the fourth quarter.

The only real (and, to be fair, not especially passionate) defense of the decision to re-sign Joe Johnson was that the Hawks couldn't immediately replace Johnson with an equally valuable player. Given the rest of their salary commitments, that was true. The assumption was that, without Johnson, the Hawks would take a damaging step backward.

With Johnson (more or less), the Hawks have taken a damaging step backward. They're sufficiently better than the bottom feeders of the league (and the majority of the Eastern Conference) that they will cruise into the playoffs despite looking futile most of the time against the other 15 teams that will make the playoffs. With another $107 million owed Johnson over the next five seasons, the Hawks appear stuck with this collectively mediocre bunch for the foreseeable future.

The Hawks haven't just taken a step backward in terms of on-court performance. The perception of the team, both generally and among the team's loyal and passionate band of fans, hasn't been so negative since before Game 3 of the Celtics series in April 2008."
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We would have been a .500 team, without Joe Drew would have been forced to play Teague more etc.
For all Marvin's faults he plays well at the 2 spot and we could have easily won 44 games and been in the hunt for a center.

Now Atlanta is in the hunt for sustained mediocrity.

not sure where you copied this from, but tell who ever wrote it. this is not true.... Marvin Williams has been in this league for six seasons. Marvin was the number two overall pick. marvin williams was a starter every year before this year. and all you can talk about is about 3 or 4 good games he has had?

look Damien Wilkins scored 20 points a few times as well. Hell salim Stoudamire scored 30 points his rookie season against NOR, 24 of those where in the 4 quarter. so why don't we get rid of our best player and hope they can do it when Joe is gone. and get Salim back too.

Marvin Williams will never be as good as Joe. and I like Marvin but he has not work on his game since he has been in the league. that is the only thing holding him back.
and I feel he needs a new team and new coaching, then he may be a good player. but that will never happen here. he is to comfortable being mediocre.

[Ruhiel]

myrak I think you're the only one who can't see why a guy that's 245 lb and 6'8.25 does well without Joe.

He's 6'8.25 and nearly 250 lbs going against "shooting guards". No one cares how "good" Joe is. His main attribute he's 6'8 getting defended by 2 guards especially when Josh is at the 3. Hawks could have easily beat the bottomfeeders and been competitive with top tier teams WITHOUT Joe Johnson.

Joe Johnson efficiency-wise was falling out of the top 10 SGs. He and Marvin are redundant big guards. Marvin matched against off-guards gets to the line, Joe doesn't.
It doesn't mean one player's a better game-finisher than the other. Marvin has had many efficient games at JJ's 2-spot which you obviously haven't taken into account.
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Given the S&T possiblilities and Marvins production at the shooting guard, extra money left over the Hawks would definitely not have been a lottery team.

[myrak433]

myrak I think you're the only one who can't see why a guy that's 245 lb and 6'8.25 does well without Joe.

He's 6'8.25 and nearly 250 lbs going against "shooting guards". No one cares how "good" Joe is. His main attribute he's 6'8 getting defended by 2 guards especially when Josh is at the 3. Hawks could have easily beat the bottomfeeders and been competitive with top tier teams WITHOUT Joe Johnson.

Joe Johnson efficiency-wise was falling out of the top 10 SGs. He and Marvin are redundant big guards. Marvin matched against off-guards gets to the line, Joe doesn't.
It doesn't mean one player's a better game-finisher than the other. Marvin has had many efficient games at JJ's 2-spot which you obviously haven't taken into account.
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Given the S&T possiblilities and Marvins production at the shooting guard, extra money left over the Hawks would definitely not have been a lottery team.

Ruhiel I am glad you are passionate about the hawks. as am I. and I get the feeling that you want the hawks to be better than what they are now.

we just will never agree that Marvin is a SG. to me he is more of a SF that can play some PF and very limited time at the SG. his handles are no where good enough for a SG. yes he can out muscle most SG's but he would be to clumsy to have a consistent advantage. he is good enough to guard most SG's but he can not blow by any of them on the offensive end. he doesn't shoot off the dripple well enough to play sg and he basicly doesn't create for himself well enough at all.

all the things marvin can do well so can joe but better. and all the thing that marvin can't do joe can.

I really don't see how you think that if this team had marvin as the time sg and didn't have jj on this team we would be as good or better..... we would sux.

there is a reason every other fan around the league believe marvin is a bad contract. they may feel that jj is a bad contract as well. but jj makes about 20m a year marvin makes about 8M. now if JJ made 8M a year every team in the league would want him. you can't say the same about marvin.

we are never going to be able to move JJ for at least another 3 or 4 years. so I say we need to build a team to help jj out. and not gut our team out just to move JJ. because we would have add Horford and/or Teague or Josh Smith with him. maybe all three.

[Ruhiel]

"his handles are no where good enough for a SG. yes he can out muscle most SG's but he would be to clumsy to have a consistent advantage. he is good enough to guard most SG's but he can not blow by any of them on the offensive end. he doesn't shoot off the dripple well enough to play sg and he basicly doesn't create for himself well enough at all."

I dont know why u say Brokeback doesn't have a consistent advantage on most 2s to the point we're a lottery team.

and Joe is horrible at drawing contact whereas Williams excels at getting to the line.

Joe's best attribute is his size he's 6'8.25 and around 240-245.

I think you're blinded by Joe's isolation ball handling, which he wouldn't need if his arms weren't so short and he could extend and draw consistent contact in the post.

We're a mediocre .500 with Joe and we'd be mediocre .500 without him. Except we'd have more hope for filling out the roster with quality frontcourt players.