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Orlando making moves: Magic will acquire Josh Smith for Jameer Nelson, Ryan Anderson and others... https://twitter.com/#!/LindsayM_CSN/sta ... 7674743808

I'm waiting for another source.

HMFFL wrote:Orlando making moves: Magic will acquire Josh Smith for Jameer Nelson, Ryan Anderson and others... https://twitter.com/#!/LindsayM_CSN/sta ... 7674743808

I'm waiting for another source.

who the hell page it that?


that is just some fan with some wishfull thinking. now way atlanta does this trade. if they do I will never watch another Hawks game

Hopefully it's not true or I may have to just give up on the Hawks until they find a real owner. I probably wouldn't even trade Hinrich(who probably outplayed him in those 6 games) or Teague for Nelson let alone our most talented player.

I think it's BS since this NBASOURCE1 is apparently new to twitter. Probably just trying to get his name out there for some 5 seconds of fame. http://twitter.com/#!/NBASource1

Orlando making moves: Magic will acquire Josh Smith for Jameer Nelson, Ryan Anderson and others...
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This trade officially will be announced the day of the NBA Draft also there was speculation that a 3rd team jumped in, Details Stay Tuned!
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The Hawks will also acquire Daniel Orton/ and conditional draft picks in the Josh Smith trade..Hawks also trade Kirk Hinrich to the Magic.
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Breaking News: According to my sources the Orlando Magic will acquire Josh Smith for Jameer Nelson/ Ryan Anderson/ .more details stay tuned!
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The Lindsay McCormick is apparently legit from what some are saying on Realgm.

He just keeps pumping out rumors....

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Marvin Williams will go to dallas in the 3 team trade, Mavericks are not expected to re-sign Caron Butler according to one of my sources.
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The 3rd-team announced in the Hawks/Magic proposal is the Dallas Mavericks they will to trade Brendan Haywood and Rodrigue Beaubois to hawks

The "Hawks will also trade Kirk Hinrich to Magic" part makes me feel better because there's no way that's going to happen.

The 3rd-team announced in the Hawks/Magic proposal is the Dallas Mavericks they will to trade Brendan Haywood and Rodrigue Beaubois to hawks

LOL-it's quite amazing how the Hawks get raped in all of these trade scenarios.

Someone on the General Board posted the HawksPR Twitter he's saying it's BS: http://twitter.com/#!/HawksPRGuy/status ... 296Default

I'm a peace loving man but I'd have to gut somebody...


.... dump Smith AND trash Teague?

LMAO, Stern is at it again. lol but we just beat our division rivals so we give them a guy that matches up with Melo-Deng-Lebron-Turkoglu?
23-8-16 rebounds
"Over the past 20 postseasons, a 23-16-8-2 game happened nine times. Smith’s company is Shaquille O’Neal (three times), Hakeem Olajuwon (twice), Brad Daugherty (twice) and Pau Gasol (once). In the last five seasons, that stat line has been accomplished just three times in the regular season (twice by LeBron James, once by Vince Carter) and twice in the Playoffs (Smith and Gasol).

After the near triple-double in Game 4, Smith took the podium and was asked some questions about the previous game. “If you all want to blame it all on me for losing Game 3, it’s cool. I’ll take it, I’m a man,” he said, “You know we got a quote in there in the locker room that says, ‘Tough times never last, but tough people do’ and I consider myself a tough person.”

Any trade that puts Marvin in another city deserves consideration, but the thought of helping Orlando keep Dwight Howard happy seems to be akin to treason.

it is funny how everybody rips on Josh , but at the same time are jealous at Josh and the Hawks and want him on their team.

the same people who calls Josh a thug are also the same people who are trying to make up trade scenarios to get Josh on their team.

lol ya'll need to chill. nothing has happened. apparently we are in discussions with you guys about j-smoove, but as a magic fan im not holding my breath. though is ASG wants to save money (and judging by what some of you have posted about them, they do) then a marvin for our TPE from the gortat trade and smoove for bass/nelson saves them roughly 22 million in the next year. the trade sucks for you guys, but if ownership is that cheap (idk why they would be after giving JJ that albatross contract) they might just pull the trigger. especially if hinrich signs elsewhere (LAL seems to be a viable option at this point because they are going away from the triangle since they got mr. potato head for coach)

RawLewD12 wrote:lol ya'll need to chill. nothing has happened. apparently we are in discussions with you guys about j-smoove, but as a magic fan im not holding my breath. though is ASG wants to save money (and judging by what some of you have posted about them, they do) then a marvin for our TPE from the gortat trade and smoove for bass/nelson saves them roughly 22 million in the next year. the trade sucks for you guys, but if ownership is that cheap (idk why they would be after giving JJ that albatross contract) they might just pull the trigger. especially if hinrich signs elsewhere (LAL seems to be a viable option at this point because they are going away from the triangle since they got mr. potato head for coach)

Couple of points:
1. Hinrich is not a free agent this offseason. He is still under contract with the Hawks.
2. In the same article that mentioned the Magic as a possible suitor for Smith it also said that the team is not willing to dump him without getting value. Nelson+Bass for him is a straight dump, not value coming back.

Maybe it's not fake after all

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... t%E2%80%9D

it is funny how everybody rips on Josh , but at the same time are jealous at Josh and the Hawks and want him on their team.

the same people who calls Josh a thug are also the same people who are trying to make up trade scenarios to get Josh on their team.

So True!! I'VE been in atlanta for 20 years and did not become a fan until after the blow up the team.
I watch them trade away all the players, make bone headed draft after drafts but still I watched. I started losing it when they drafted shell head. Then these clowns gave JJ this massive contract and a year later they HAVE TO trade away the most entetaining player on the team! I can't take it if this happens I'm done. I don't blame Josh for wanting out... he's made the scape goat ever year we flame out! I'll be back when we get some new onwnership!

Kytu wrote:Maybe it's not fake after all

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... t%E2%80%9D

I don't consider an unnamed source a legit person. There are other sources out there that say the Hawks do want good young talent back in return for Josh.

The Hawks are going to get nothing in return for Smith, It's the way the ASG works. They want to save money.

geeman wrote:

it is funny how everybody rips on Josh , but at the same time are jealous at Josh and the Hawks and want him on their team.

the same people who calls Josh a thug are also the same people who are trying to make up trade scenarios to get Josh on their team.

So True!! I'VE been in atlanta for 20 years and did not become a fan until after the blow up the team.
I watch them trade away all the players, make bone headed draft after drafts but still I watched. I started losing it when they drafted shell head. Then these clowns gave JJ this massive contract and a year later they HAVE TO trade away the most entetaining player on the team! I can't take it if this happens I'm done. I don't blame Josh for wanting out... he's made the scape goat ever year we flame out! I'll be back when we get some new onwnership!

I kind of agree with a lot of what you say. I had left the team as a fan when they traded for JR Rider and came back when they drafted Josh Smith. I wanted Josh on the team so bad that I actually panicked when they selected Childress because I thought Smith wouldn't be there at 18. The one thing I don't get is the characterization that everyone scapegoats Josh at the end of the seasons. I gasp sometimes at his shot selection but I don't recall blaming Josh for a loss in the playoffs.

I think it is persecution anxiety. Something you see in a lot of today's stars (see the Heat). In the age of social media the volume is much greater than the past and it seems that any negative comment stands out probably because it gets regurgitated so much. Josh's shot selection gets questioned and he thinks everyone is against him. It's not the main problem with the Hawks and it wasn't even top 5 for the playoffs.
1) Al under performed (maybe due to injury) in spite of getting to play primarily at his preferred position of PF in the playoffs.
2) The physicality of the playoffs neutralized Jamal Crawford. Actually that's too nice, it made him a negative to have on the floor. (Red flag to the thought of resigning him).
3) Joe Johnson didn't respond well to not having full control of the ball all the time. This might be due to the fact that he never got a chance to play with Teague all year because of lack of coaching vision and faith. So when Teague was playing well Joe kind of disappeared and almost vice versa.
4) Marvin Williams played his way out of the rotation.
5) The team as a whole lost the 4th quarters against the Bulls and Larry Drew hit the wall.

1) Al under performed (maybe due to injury) in spite of getting to play primarily at his preferred position of PF in the playoffs.
2) The physicality of the playoffs neutralized Jamal Crawford. Actually that's too nice, it made him a negative to have on the floor. (Red flag to the thought of resigning him).
3) Joe Johnson didn't respond well to not having full control of the ball all the time. This might be due to the fact that he never got a chance to play with Teague all year because of lack of coaching vision and faith. So when Teague was playing well Joe kind of disappeared and almost vice versa.
4) Marvin Williams played his way out of the rotation.
5) The team as a whole lost the 4th quarters against the Bulls and Larry Drew hit the wall.

1) At this point of the year everyone has injuries. Smith, Collins, JJ, Lebron, Wade, Amare, Garnett, etc.
Al has a large sample size of not being the 6'10 scoring machine people expected.
Outside of crab dribbling and trying to jump high and hook shot the ball Al, still has no post game to speak of as a 4.
He was able to defend the 4 like he wanted too but Collins did not force Noah to guard him and so Boozer guarded collins and Gibson and Noah's length bothered Al on the perimeter.

Come playoffs We already have the starting 1,2,3 spots figured out in Teague and Hinrich at PG
Joe and Marvin are big shooting guards who draw fouls and catch and shoot.
Josh and Malcolm Thomas are big 3s who can score in transition and defend-attack LBJ/Deng etc.

Big Men= Foundation
Horford+ {Hilton}
{Collins} + Pachulia

This is not a contending core of big men. If Horford were Nowitzki he could not carry Collins. We wont get 2 upgrades and a 16ppg replacement for Joe (sgs: Wade) or Josh (sfs: Lebron,Deng).

my proposition was:
Motiejunas + Hill
Hasheem + Pachulia
and yes there is precedence for winning those type of players.


Quarter Minute Splits

Teague (9) + Hinrich (3)
Johnson (9) + Williams (3)
Smith (9) + Thomas (3)
Motiejunas (9) + Hill (3)
Thabeet (6) + Pachulia (6)

Total Minute Splits
Teague (36) + Hinrich (12)
Johnson (36) + Williams (12)
Smith (36) + Thomas (12)
Motiejunas (36) + Hill (12)
Thabeet (24) + Pachulia (24)

PPG Projections in 2 'centers' lineup (using per36)
Teague (16) + Hinrich (4)
Johnson (18) + Williams (4)
Smith (17) + Thomas (4)
Motiejunas (16) + Hill (4)
Thabeet (5) + Pachulia (6)
(71) + (22) = 93ppg
2011 playoff opponents ppg vs mostly Jason Collins-Pachulia-Horford lineups: 90.3 ppg

we go big slow the game up and go inside out.
No more iso Joe. Hinrich runs the 2nd team when Teague sits and mentors Jeff. Jeff draws and kicks and scores.

Teague, Smith, Donatas, Johnson are all big and can rebound push and make a play.

1) Al under performed (maybe due to injury) in spite of getting to play primarily at his preferred position of PF in the playoffs.
2) The physicality of the playoffs neutralized Jamal Crawford. Actually that's too nice, it made him a negative to have on the floor. (Red flag to the thought of resigning him).
3) Joe Johnson didn't respond well to not having full control of the ball all the time. This might be due to the fact that he never got a chance to play with Teague all year because of lack of coaching vision and faith. So when Teague was playing well Joe kind of disappeared and almost vice versa.
4) Marvin Williams played his way out of the rotation.
5) The team as a whole lost the 4th quarters against the Bulls and Larry Drew hit the wall.

1) At this point of the year everyone has injuries. Smith, Collins, JJ, Lebron, Wade, Amare, Garnett, etc.
Al has a large sample size of not being the 6'10 scoring machine people expected.
Outside of crab dribbling and trying to jump high and hook shot the ball Al, still has no post game to speak of as a 4.
He was able to defend the 4 like he wanted too but Collins did not force Noah to guard him and so Boozer guarded collins and Gibson and Noah's length bothered Al on the perimeter.

Come playoffs We already have the starting 1,2,3 spots figured out in Teague and Hinrich at PG
Joe and Marvin are big shooting guards who draw fouls and catch and shoot.
Josh and Malcolm Thomas are big 3s who can score in transition and defend-attack LBJ/Deng etc.

Big Men= Foundation
Horford+ {Hilton}
{Collins} + Pachulia

This is not a contending core of big men. If Horford were Nowitzki he could not carry Collins. We wont get 2 upgrades and a 16ppg replacement for Joe (sgs: Wade) or Josh (sfs: Lebron,Deng).

my proposition was:
Motiejunas + Hill
Hasheem + Pachulia
and yes there is precedence for winning with those type of players. Longley, Perkins at C. Jordan Hill and Pachulia are above average backups in WS/48.

Quarter Minute Splits

Teague (9) + Hinrich (3)
Johnson (9) + Williams (3)
Smith (9) + Thomas (3)
Motiejunas (9) + Hill (3)
Thabeet (6) + Pachulia (6)

Total Minute Splits
Teague (36) + Hinrich (12)
Johnson (36) + Williams (12)
Smith (36) + Thomas (12)
Motiejunas (36) + Hill (12)
Thabeet (24) + Pachulia (24)

PPG Projections in 2 'centers' lineup (using per36)
Teague (16) + Hinrich (4)
Johnson (18) + Williams (4)
Smith (17) + Thomas (4)
Motiejunas (16) + Hill (4)
Thabeet (5) + Pachulia (6)
(71) + (22) = 93ppg
2011 playoff opponents ppg vs mostly Jason Collins-Pachulia-Horford lineups: 90.3 ppg

we go big slow the game up and go inside out.
No more iso Joe. Hinrich runs the 2nd team when Teague sits and mentors Jeff. Jeff draws and kicks and scores.

Teague, Smith, Donatas, Johnson are all big and can rebound push and make a play.